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		<title>The New Calvinism</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The third week of our conversations about â€œThree Streams of Post-Evangelicalismâ€ will focus on a movement that has received attention from the secular media as well as from within the church. It has been deemed the â€œNew Calvinismâ€. We are responding to Scot McKnight&#8217;s recent article in which he identified three alternative paths replacing the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-content/uploads/young-calvin.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-11155 alignright" title="young-calvin" src="http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-content/uploads/young-calvin-236x300.jpg" alt="" width="236" height="300" /></a>The third week of our conversations about <strong><a href="../archive/three-streams-in-the-post-evangelical-wilderness">â€œThree Streams of Post-Evangelicalismâ€</a></strong> will focus on a movement that has received attention from the secular media as well as from within the church. It has been deemed the <strong>â€œNew Calvinismâ€</strong>.</p>
<p>We are responding to Scot McKnight&#8217;s recent article in which he identified three alternative paths replacing the old &#8220;neo-evangelical coalition&#8221;: <em>the Emerging movement, the Ancient-Future movement, and the new Calvinism.</em> We invite you to join us this week as we discuss this third alternative, keeping in mind that we are aiming for a robust and healthy discussion.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>We are doing this precisely because we are NOT  experts with regard to these movements. We  want to learn more. We want  to hear your experiences. As pilgrims  trying to negotiate the  post-evangelical landscape, we are interested to  hear of your  involvement and interaction with these groups that  have grown so much  in recent years. Please join the conversation.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>On March 12, 2009, Time magazine presented a list of <em><a href="http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1884779_1884782,00.html">&#8220;10 Ideas Changing the World Right Now&#8221;</a></em>. Number 3 on the list? David van Biema said it is <em><a href="http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1884779_1884782_1884760,00.html">&#8220;The New Calvinism&#8221;</a></em>.</p>
<blockquote><p>Neo-Calvinist ministers and authors don&#8217;t operate quite on a Rick Warren scale. But, notes Ted Olsen, a managing editor at <em>Christianity Today,</em> <strong>&#8220;everyone knows where the energy and the passion are in the Evangelical  world&#8221;</strong> â€” with the pioneering new-Calvinist John Piper of Minneapolis,  Seattle&#8217;s pugnacious Mark Driscoll and Albert Mohler, head of the  Southern Seminary of the huge Southern Baptist Convention. The  Calvinist-flavored ESV Study Bible sold out its first printing, and  Reformed blogs like Between Two Worlds are among cyber-Christendom&#8217;s  hottest links. (emphasis mine)</p></blockquote>
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<p>Without question, much of the inspiration and energy for this movement has come through the ministry of <strong><a href="http://www.hopeingod.org/person/john-piper">John Piper</a></strong>, pastor of <a href="http://www.hopeingod.org/">Bethlehem Baptist Church</a> in Minneapolis, MN, and primary voice of <a href="http://www.desiringgod.org/">Desiring God Ministries</a>. The church&#8217;s brief bio page describes Piper&#8217;s calling in these terms: <em>&#8220;Johnâ€™s life and ministry are driven by a desire to spread a passion for  the supremacy of God in all things for the joy of all peoples through  Jesus Christ.&#8221;</em> Piper has been influential, not only through his books and Desiring God site, but also in the lives of young people who hear him at the huge annual gatherings for spiritual awakening known as <a href="http://www.268generation.com/2.0/splash5.htm">Passion conferences</a>.</p>
<p>The Calvinistic approach to the faith has always been heavy on <em>content</em>. As in past generations, the output of material from the new Calvinist movement is prolific. The internet has provided a perfect environment with unparalleled opportunities for them to broadcast their message. Here are some of the key voices, in addition to Piper:</p>
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<li><a href="http://www.challies.com/"><strong><img class="alignright" src="http://www.goodmanson.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/christianity-today.jpg" alt="" width="178" height="240" />Tim Challies</strong>, <em>Informing the Reforming</em></a></li>
<li><a href="http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/"><strong>Justin Taylor</strong>, <em>Between Two Worlds</em></a></li>
<li><a href="http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/"><strong>Kevin DeYoung</strong>, <em>DeYoung, Restless, and Reformed</em></a></li>
<li><a href="http://sovereigngraceministries.org/Blog/"><strong>C.J. Mahaney</strong>, <em>Sovereign Grace Ministries</em></a></li>
<li><a href="http://teampyro.blogspot.com/"><strong>Phil Johnson and &#8220;TeamPyro&#8221;</strong>, <em>Pyromaniacs</em></a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.albertmohler.com/"><strong>Al Mohler</strong>, <em>AlbertMohler.com</em></a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.9marks.org/blog"><strong>Mark Dever and others</strong>, <em>9Marks.org</em></a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.ligonier.org/blog/"><strong>R.C. Sproul</strong>, <em>Ligonier Ministries</em></a></li>
<li><a href="http://blog.marshillchurch.org/"><strong>Mark Driscoll</strong>, <em>Mars Hill Blog</em></a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.gty.org/"><strong>John MacArthur</strong>, <em>Grace to You</em></a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.reformationtheology.com/"><strong>Rev. Eric Costa and others</strong>, <em>Reformation Theology</em></a></li>
<li><strong><a href="http://www.monergism.com/">Monergism.com</a></strong></li>
<li><a href="http://www.founders.org/"><strong>Founders Ministries (SBC)</strong></a></li>
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<p>I encourage you to check out these sites, especially if you are unfamiliar with the new Calvinism and its strong voice on the web. See what you think. Then, feel free to come back, present your observations, and discuss what you think with others.</p>
<p>To further introduce our subject this week, here is a brief video explaining the distinctives of Reformed theology from <a href="http://www.rts.edu/">Reformed Theological Seminary (RTS)</a>. It features <a href="http://www.fpcjackson.org/staff/duncan.htm"><strong>Ligon Duncan</strong></a>, theologian, professor, author, and minister in the <a href="http://www.pcanet.org/">Presbyterian Church in America (PCA)</a>. He is currently the senior pastor of historic First Presbyterian Church, Jackson, Mississippi.</p>
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		<title>Leaving Room For Churches To Be Wrong</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 03:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[UPDATE II: Phillip Winn has an excellent response to this post. UPDATE: Moderation is on. My apologies that I have to do this so often. Bill Kinnon reviews DeYoung and Kluck&#8217;s newest book, Why We Love the Church. I haven&#8217;t read the book, and won&#8217;t, but Bill did, and talks about it. Tim Challies reviewed [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-content/uploads/dis.jpg" hspace=5 align=left alt="dis" title="dis" width="120" height="120" class="alignleft size-full wp-image-4028" /><strong><a href="http://pwinn.tumblr.com/post/157251282/on-leaving-churches">UPDATE II: Phillip Winn has an excellent response to this post</a>.</p>
<p><strike>UPDATE: Moderation is on. My apologies that I have to do this so often.</strong></strike></p>
<p><a href="http://www.kinnon.tv/2009/08/review-why-we-love-the-church.html">Bill Kinnon reviews DeYoung and Kluck&#8217;s newest book, <em>Why We Love the Church</em></a>. I haven&#8217;t read the book, and won&#8217;t, but Bill did, and talks about it.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.challies.com/archives/book-reviews/book-review---why-we-love-the-church.php">Tim Challies reviewed the book in early July.</a></p>
<p><a href="http://boarsheadtavern.com/2009/08/05/8953/">A sympathetic DeYoung reader/hearer makes some very pertinent observations about the direction of things.</a><br />
My mailbox is the constant recipient of the stories of those who have left the church, are considering leaving, or are wondering why they haven&#8217;t. Their stories are a large part of what I carry with me when I write or speak. Some of their stories are typical of leavers, and would not impress those who love the church. Other stories, however, are clearly stories of churches that are wrong. Deeply, painfully, often irreparably wrong. These stories make me angry that there exists people who, in the name of the infallibility of Christ, claim their church is right in situations of heinous and obvious wrongdoing.</p>
<p>I often get links to websites where individuals and groups in particular churches are using the internet to air their grievances against their church. I tend to believe a lot of what I read because it comports with human nature, but I respect the process churches may be using to deal with these situations, so I don&#8217;t ever publish those links. That may be wrong, but it&#8217;s a choice I&#8217;ve stayed with, so I am not an unaware critic with an agenda to tear up ministries and churches. Far from it.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re in an interesting cycle.  A bunch of Protestants- Protestants, mind you- are constantly writing and blogging about the church in a way that leaves little room for their churches to be wrong and no way for the churches of their theological opponents to be right.<span id="more-4027"></span></p>
<p>So if a Calvinist stalwart X rents a storefront, appoints his eight best friends as elders and announces a series of sermons exposing N.T. Wright as a heretic, they&#8217;re a church and you&#8217;d be wise to not criticize. On the other hand, if open theist Y is pastor of a church that&#8217;s a hundred years old in a denomination with an orthodox confession and real oversight, you&#8217;re advised to get out of that church as soon as possible, because it&#8217;s a den of damnable false teaching.</p>
<p>The latest 2 day theology conference can issue a confession and render opinions on all matters related to family, gender and church order, but the Roman Catholic Church is not a church.</p>
<p>If you leave a church you&#8217;re disgruntled, a whiner or spiritually rebellions, unless you leave an emerging church (see furnished list), in which case you&#8217;ve obeyed the Holy Spirit.</p>
<p>Here are some verses that go together. Pay close attention:<br />
<blockquote>Hebrews 13:7 Remember your leaders, those who spoke to you the word of God. Consider the outcome of their way of life, and imitate their faith. 8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever&#8230;.17 Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you.</p></blockquote>
<p>Jesus talked a lot about the nature of power in leadership, usually in some version of calling leaders to be servants:<br />
<blockquote>Matthew 20:25 But Jesus called them to him and said,  â€œYou know that the rulers of the Gentiles  lord it over them, and their great ones exercise authority over them. 26  It shall not be so among you. But whoever would be great among you must be your servant, 27 and whoever would be first among you must be your slave, 28 even as the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.â€</p></blockquote>
<p>Now let&#8217;s assume that a leader or leaders do not imitate Jesus. Their lives are not worthy of imitation. They see the ministry as an advantage to themselves, not to you. They assume the posture of &#8220;great ones,&#8221; never the posture of servants, and they are constantly redefining servant leadership to mean whatever they happen to have done recently, i.e. promote the new building program.</p>
<p>In many quarters today, because there is not an explicit passage saying &#8220;here&#8217;s how to leave,&#8221; it&#8217;s common to hear those who leave such a situation described as whiners, immature, church haters and disgruntled. That&#8217;s a form of seeking to intimidate the critic into silence, and it needs to be called what it is.</p>
<p>In many, many cases, such persons have experienced actions that involve serious manipulation and pain. They may have decided they cannot stand to be brutalized in the pulpit week after week. They may have concluded that last week&#8217;s sermon on how tattoos are an alternate baptismal symbol indicating you&#8217;re on the devil&#8217;s team was the last straw in the legalism department. They may have decided they don&#8217;t want to put their children in the church&#8217;s children and youth program where they will be trained in entertainment and consumerism masquerading as discipleship. They may have observed instances of ministerial malpractice, but they know being the person to blow the whistle will cost them dearly.</p>
<p>Now you can say whatever you want about such persons, and you may be right in some points, but it is hard for me to see how these are disgruntled whiners. And short of a view that certain Protestant congregations are the only portals to eternal life, it is hard to say that those who leave these churches are imperiling their souls. For many people, the peril of their souls is exactly why they are gone.</p>
<p>Further, the churches being defended are deeply different in their approach to ministry. Church A may be a full menu traditional church, while church Q is a multi campus, preaching heavy, small group oriented church. If members of A or Q hear Frank Viola and decide to take up with a group of organic Christians or house worshipers in their community, why are they not serious? How have they abandoned the bride of Christ?</p>
<p>If our hypothetical church leavers simply step away from the institutional church to see where the Kingdom of God can be found in their world, are they in the position of being traitors, or are they perhaps doing exactly what the church needed to do all along, i.e. send missionaries out into the community and world for the sake of the Kingdom?</p>
<p>I just mention these thoughts to make a simple point:<strong> The current defense of the church may be necessary, but many of the assertions being made are not necessary and have about them the scent of males in power having far too much fun flirting with infallibility.</strong> The Christian ministry is one of the few places in our world that men can assert that they and their institutions must be submitted to in the name of God. That&#8217;s heady stuff, and I&#8217;m not even close to being prepared to buy the bona fides of everyone who claims it.</p>
<p>Choices about the church are very fundamental. I do not believe Protestants can ever underestimate the seductive lure of high ecclesiologies and their claims of authority for those who fear their church is not getting proper respect. On the other hand, the low ecclesiology of the New Testament makes the church&#8217;s entire value its connection to Jesus, its organic head. (I can do no better than the <a href="http://ajesusmanifesto.wordpress.com/">Sweet/Viola Jesus Manifesto</a> on that one.) When Protestants begin talking about the church in terms that Roman Catholics would recognize as being their own view of infallibility and salvation, it&#8217;s time for a serious review of what&#8217;s going on.</p>
<p>The Reformation was a wonderful thing, and its failure to avoid the state-church connection or to establish the church as a missional movement was its great failing. The good news was that the Reformation gave Protestants to tools to repair their own ship, rather than scuttle it. Many readers will fault Bill Kinnon for saying that Deyoung and Kluck are throwing cheap red meat to the galleries and will point out that emergers do the same. I acknowledge that may be true, but I also must acknowledge that for all they get wrong and for all their youthful arrogance, the emergers will seldom be found touting the centrality of &#8220;Submit to your leaders&#8221; or sounding like their churches are too right to ever be wrong.</p>
<p>The current defenses of the church do well to laud it as the bride of Christ, but when those who have been abused, berated, manipulated and stuffed full of legalism must endure the epitaphs of being whiners and immature, selfish agitators in order to question the church or tell their story, the defense is itself flawed. That&#8217;s &#8220;do as I say, not as I do,: baptized and dressed in ecclesiastical gear. It deserves to be ridiculed. It&#8217;s foolish and it&#8217;s dangerous.</p>
<p>I have no grievance with the call for loyalty and confidence in the church. Just place all of this in the context of the kinds of churches we read about in Revelation 2-3, and with plenty of room for the church and its leadership to be very, very wrong.</p>
<p>I cannot and will not stand with a church no matter what it does. There are times to walk away, and times to speak critical, truthful words. Our defenses of the church must preserve the centrality of individual integrity and the superior loyalty we have to Christ over any institution. </p>
<p>NOTE: I want to be clear that I love the church and believe  it is normal and Biblical for Christians to be part of community. There are some things in the Christian life that are not possible outside of community. I am NOT insisting that believers leave the church, but I am asking for a more sophisticated discussion of what that leaving or distancing may mean. We live in an era when many churches act as if they are the Kingdom. They are not. Many act as if Jesus does not work outside of them. That is not true. For example, listen to part of the Challies review of the DeYoung and Kluck book:<br />
<blockquote>The authors show how the church is central to all that God is doing in the world and <strong>prove well that without the church there is no Christianity.</strong> They take the historic view that participating in the church is normative for the Christian lifeâ€”that under ordinary circumstances we should not expect a person who deliberately remains outside the visible church to be a true believer.</p></blockquote>
<p>The words &#8220;normative&#8221; and &#8220;ordinary&#8221; are helpful, but saying all true believers are part of ??? visible church is confusing and wrong. Challies rejects the RCC and many, many other churches as being illegitimate. And what do you make of the causality of the sentence &#8220;without the church there is no Christianity?&#8221; I find it utterly astonishing and thoroughly worthy of the applause from the Romans in the room. The Old Testament covenant, the OT remnant, Christ, his movement, his disciples, his apostles: all precede the institutional church. The church is the great evidence that Jesus has sent the Spirit into the world. But I am not surprised- at all- to find someone saying that without the church there is no Christianity. I&#8217;m just surprised it&#8217;s not a statement defending the RCC.</p>
<p>When Jesus threatens to remove a church&#8217;s candlestick, but says he stands at the door to have fellowship with anyone who opens the door, we ought to think more carefully about what he is saying and to whom.</p>
<p>A well known reformed blogger has written &#8220;Here&#8217;s the thing: the church is a consequence of the Gospel. That is, the Gospel causes the church.&#8221; That&#8217;s absolutely correct, and why the church always stands under the Gospel, hence Revelation 2-3.</p>
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		<title>Look Ma! I Can Wear This Caricature, Too!</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tim Challies recently reprinted an extended quote from Kevin DeYoung&#8217;s writing on the emerging/emergent church. I won&#8217;t reprint it here, but if the rest of the post is going to make any sense to you, go read it all. When I first read this, it tipped my already leaning inclination to be highly annoyed at [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-content/uploads/10054956l.jpg" hspace=5 align=right alt="10054956l" title="10054956l" width="200" height="266" class="alignleft size-full wp-image-3932" /><a href="http://www.challies.com/archives/articles/quotes/vacations-emergent-and-miscellania.php">Tim Challies recently reprinted an extended quote from Kevin DeYoung&#8217;s writing on the emerging/emergent church</a>. I won&#8217;t reprint it here, but if the rest of the post is going to make any sense to you, go read it all.</p>
<p>When I first read this, it tipped my already leaning inclination to be highly annoyed at needless stereotyping and dividing of the Christian family by things that are neither significant nor truly divisive, but simply are the perceptions and caricatures of one team over another. We&#8217;ve come to the point where portraying emergent Christians as &#8220;useless idiots&#8221; is an approved form of bigotry, and it does positive harm. I posted at the BHT while I was steamed up, then decided to give DeYoung the benefit of the doubt, at least on this quote, and say he was simply having a little fun.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll admit that DeYoung comes off like the witty kid who can make fun of the other kids without seeming to be all that mean, but the mean kids will find it hilarious for all the wrong reasons.</p>
<p>So turnabout is fair play, and perhaps a look in the mirror makes the point whatever way you want to take it: caricature, satire or humor. So courtesy of <a href="http://ochuk.wordpress.com/">Adam Omelianchuk</a>, author of <a href="http://ochuk.wordpress.com/why-i-am-not-a-calvinist/">one of the better explanations of why you don&#8217;t have to be a Calvinist</a> to be a Christian, here&#8217;s the same passage, but with the gun sights aimed the other way.<span id="more-3931"></span><br />
<blockquote>After reading nearly five thousand blog posts of Reformed Christians, I have no doubt that the so-called â€œYoung, Restless, and Reformed,â€ while loosely defined and far from uniform, can be described and critiqued as a diverse, but recognizable, movement. You might be a Reformed Christian: if you listen to Caedmonâ€™s Call, Bob Kauflin, and Derek Webbâ€™s She Must And Shall Go Free album (but never his later stuff), listen only to expository sermons through Romans, drink orange juice to the glory of God, and always use an Amazon Kindle to read publications from Crossway Books; if your reading list consists primarily of John Piper, John MacArthur, R.C. Sproul, J.I. Packer, D.A. Carson, Tim Keller, Mark Driscoll, Michael Horton, Wayne Grudem, Bruce Ware, Tom Schreiner, Kevin DeYoung, and Ted Kluck (not to mention Mahaney, Mohler, Dever, Duncan, etc.) and your sparring partners include Brian McLaren, Rob Bell, Greg Boyd, and Rick Warren; if your idea of quintessential Christian discipleship is John Calvin, Martin Luther, John Owen, John Bunyan, Jonathan Edwards, or anyone just named John; if you don&#8217;t like Barack Obama or conversations or contextualization or egalitarianism or Left Behind Christianity; if your political concerns are abortion, gay marriage, abortion, gay marriage, abortion, gay marriage, abortion, gay marriage, and abortion and not so much health care or the economy; if you are into singing Psalms, hymns, or Puritan Paperbacks; if you talk about penal substitutionary atonement and the sovereignty of God; if you lie awake at night having nightmares about all the ways Pentecostalism has ruined the church; if you love the Bible as a inerrant, infallible, verbally inspired book that can be used for psychiatric diagnostics and scientific proof of a young earth; if you search for unity with other believers but aren&#8217;t sure it can be found; if you&#8217;ve ever been to a church that teaches exclusively out of the ESV, has a large Reformed bookstore, promotes several conferences a year all with basically the same speakers; if you loathe words like story, narrative, relational, open, and seeker-sensitive and use words like God-centered, hedonist, regenerate, error, heresy, discernment, and authority; if you grew up in a Christian home that in retrospect seems semi-Pelagian, naive, and about works righteousness; if you forbid women in all levels of ministry, cater to white suburbia, and like your theology systematic instead of practically relevant; if you disbelieve that God really wants to save everyone; if you want to stop dating the church; if you long for a community that exercises church discipline, thinks criticism is a good thing, and doesnâ€™t allow dating; if you believe the â€œloving your enemiesâ€ prooftext gets in the way of the Just War criteria; most of humanity is predestined to hell and no one can do anything about it; if you believe salvation has a little to do with responding in faith and repentance and a lot to do with sovereign grace and limited atonement; if you believe following Jesus is about being doctrinally correct but not necessarily walking as he did (because thatâ€™s impossible!); if it really bugs you when people talk about wanting to see heaven getting into people instead of getting people into heaven; if you disdain efforts to help the poor as liberal or supplanting the gospel; if you use the word &#8220;justification&#8221; in all your arguments against NT Wright&#8211;if all or most of this tortuously long sentence describes you, then you might be a Reformed Christian.</p></blockquote>
<p>If you read the comments at the Challies post, you will notice how many of his regulars found themselves in the emergent quote. They like U2, drink lattes, etc. I think it does us all good to realize that while the poster boys for our teams might be purists, most of us aren&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Yes, many of you read Wight and Piper. You have an ESV and an NLT. You like Over the Rhine and old Derek Webb. You aren&#8217;t actually a pacifist, but you read Anabaptists. You read Merton and Paul Tripp.</p>
<p>You ought to be ashamed of yourself. How can you say that Rob Bell&#8217;s last Nooma (the one on Job) was outstanding and still call yourself reformed?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a big goof. Resist those who try to make us line up in teams and play the game according to their rules. Like Merton said, combine in yourself all those supposedly irreconcilable opposites.</p>
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