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		<title>Comment on My Strange Experiences With An Absent Gospel: Gospel Articulations (Part 3) by Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the disconnect occurs because we wrongly ASSUME that indeed, we have all already put the foundational gospel into practice, and now we just need more &quot;practical&quot; steps to apply the Gospel to the &quot;real world&quot;.  

Fro example, if I came to you for marriage counseling, and you said I needed to know that Jesus is my high priest of the order of Melchizedek, I would probably conclude that you have no comprehension of my real-world problem.  So, I set down the book of Hebrews, and pick up the latest self-help book - from a Christian author, of course - looking for 8 practical tips to spice up my marriage, probably cribbed from Redbook but perhaps sprinkled with random scriptures about marriage to give it the seal of christian approval.

I&#039;m not trying to diss the practical tips; I am saying we should not assume that the gospel has already completed/perfected its transforming work in our lives, and we only have to sweat out a few remaining details.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the disconnect occurs because we wrongly ASSUME that indeed, we have all already put the foundational gospel into practice, and now we just need more &#8220;practical&#8221; steps to apply the Gospel to the &#8220;real world&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Fro example, if I came to you for marriage counseling, and you said I needed to know that Jesus is my high priest of the order of Melchizedek, I would probably conclude that you have no comprehension of my real-world problem.  So, I set down the book of Hebrews, and pick up the latest self-help book &#8211; from a Christian author, of course &#8211; looking for 8 practical tips to spice up my marriage, probably cribbed from Redbook but perhaps sprinkled with random scriptures about marriage to give it the seal of christian approval.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to diss the practical tips; I am saying we should not assume that the gospel has already completed/perfected its transforming work in our lives, and we only have to sweat out a few remaining details.</p>
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		<title>Comment on iMonk 101: Is Mental Illness Demonic? by Headless Unicorn Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Headless Unicorn Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome to Carl Sagan&#039;s &lt;i&gt;The Demon-Haunted World&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to Carl Sagan&#8217;s <i>The Demon-Haunted World</i>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Misplaced, Taken For Granted and Ignored: My Strange Experiences With An Absent Gospel (Part 1) by David L. Henderson MD</title>
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		<dc:creator>David L. Henderson MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You would be correct in your assumption if it were not for the resurrection! As Paul said, if Christ was not raised from the dead, then we are of all men most miserable. The resurrection allows us to find joy in the midst of our pain and, dare I say it, at times even because of our pain. (That I may know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His suffering...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You would be correct in your assumption if it were not for the resurrection! As Paul said, if Christ was not raised from the dead, then we are of all men most miserable. The resurrection allows us to find joy in the midst of our pain and, dare I say it, at times even because of our pain. (That I may know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His suffering&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>Comment on My Strange Experiences With An Absent Gospel: Gospel Articulations (Part 3) by Obed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got a question that I&#039;ve been struggling with over the last several days.  The professor who&#039;s teaching a class I&#039;m taking on the Pentateuch and Former Prophets (a Baptist minister with a Ph.D. who I respect more than I can say) cautioned us against treating the OT as if its stories and teachings only have value when applied to prophecy, typology, etc. of Jesus.  He said something to the effect that having a monolithically Christo-centric a view of Scripture is poor theology, poor hermaneutics, and is not consistant with being Trinitarian.  

While I agree with him that the OT has its own lessons, stories, and applications that have value outside of the NT reality, how do I balance that truth with the equally true need to view things from a Gospel/New Covenant perspective and reality?  E.g. if I&#039;m preaching on the Binding of Isaac in Genesis, how do I do so without either betraying the context of the passage or without betraying the Gospel?  There seems to be a dichotomy here that I&#039;m having troubles coming to peace with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got a question that I&#8217;ve been struggling with over the last several days.  The professor who&#8217;s teaching a class I&#8217;m taking on the Pentateuch and Former Prophets (a Baptist minister with a Ph.D. who I respect more than I can say) cautioned us against treating the OT as if its stories and teachings only have value when applied to prophecy, typology, etc. of Jesus.  He said something to the effect that having a monolithically Christo-centric a view of Scripture is poor theology, poor hermaneutics, and is not consistant with being Trinitarian.  </p>
<p>While I agree with him that the OT has its own lessons, stories, and applications that have value outside of the NT reality, how do I balance that truth with the equally true need to view things from a Gospel/New Covenant perspective and reality?  E.g. if I&#8217;m preaching on the Binding of Isaac in Genesis, how do I do so without either betraying the context of the passage or without betraying the Gospel?  There seems to be a dichotomy here that I&#8217;m having troubles coming to peace with.</p>
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		<title>Comment on My Strange Experiences With An Absent Gospel: Gospel Articulations (Part 3) by boaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>boaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its  difficult because once you start pushing Jesus and our forgiveness through him into everything, you get a reputation as divisive, overly concerned with doctrine, weak on mission or morality (antinomian), etc, just ask any outspoken LCMSer.


Plus that doesn&#039;t sell as many books as making up some new Christian-labeled self help program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its  difficult because once you start pushing Jesus and our forgiveness through him into everything, you get a reputation as divisive, overly concerned with doctrine, weak on mission or morality (antinomian), etc, just ask any outspoken LCMSer.</p>
<p>Plus that doesn&#8217;t sell as many books as making up some new Christian-labeled self help program.</p>
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		<title>Comment on My Strange Experiences With An Absent Gospel: Gospel Articulations (Part 3) by Believer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Believer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not use more scripture?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not use more scripture?</p>
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		<title>Comment on My Strange Experiences With An Absent Gospel: Gospel Articulations (Part 3) by David L. Henderson MD</title>
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		<dc:creator>David L. Henderson MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post! One aspect of the Gospel that I find most essential is the suffering/healing dicotomy. We suffer because of sin. Christ suffered to forgive our sin. We find healing because of His suffering. Now we can fellowship in His suffering and know the power of His resurrection!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post! One aspect of the Gospel that I find most essential is the suffering/healing dicotomy. We suffer because of sin. Christ suffered to forgive our sin. We find healing because of His suffering. Now we can fellowship in His suffering and know the power of His resurrection!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Misplaced, Taken For Granted and Ignored: My Strange Experiences With An Absent Gospel (Part 1) by Jerre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, I was very moved by your words and feel that you came to this site for a reason.  The highest example of God&#039;s love for you is that He died on the cross for you, but that isn&#039;t the only example.  Go to any church in any community and you will find a group of people there (the true Christians) who will love you like a brother.  Do they do that because people are just naturally loving and accepting? Give me a break!  They do it because God first loved them and His love flows through them to you.  2,000 years is nothing to God (A day is like a thousand years and a thousand years like a day). To Him, Jesus just died for you.  Paul spoke constantly of Jesus&#039; love for him and guess what?  Paul wasn&#039;t there, either!  God knows every sparrow that falls and He knows Tim!  

It is hard for us with our limited mind power to understand the mind of God, but He is not limited by time or numbers and is capable of loving each individual like we can&#039;t.  I love you, Tim, not because I know you, but because Christ first loved me and died for my personal sins just like He died for your personal sins.  For me, the best way to feel close to God is to pray.  Prayer helps me feel like God is present in my life and close to me.  Do not give up on God - the love of God and His Christ surrounds you, both directly and through His people.   Peace be with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, I was very moved by your words and feel that you came to this site for a reason.  The highest example of God&#8217;s love for you is that He died on the cross for you, but that isn&#8217;t the only example.  Go to any church in any community and you will find a group of people there (the true Christians) who will love you like a brother.  Do they do that because people are just naturally loving and accepting? Give me a break!  They do it because God first loved them and His love flows through them to you.  2,000 years is nothing to God (A day is like a thousand years and a thousand years like a day). To Him, Jesus just died for you.  Paul spoke constantly of Jesus&#8217; love for him and guess what?  Paul wasn&#8217;t there, either!  God knows every sparrow that falls and He knows Tim!  </p>
<p>It is hard for us with our limited mind power to understand the mind of God, but He is not limited by time or numbers and is capable of loving each individual like we can&#8217;t.  I love you, Tim, not because I know you, but because Christ first loved me and died for my personal sins just like He died for your personal sins.  For me, the best way to feel close to God is to pray.  Prayer helps me feel like God is present in my life and close to me.  Do not give up on God &#8211; the love of God and His Christ surrounds you, both directly and through His people.   Peace be with you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on My Strange Experiences With An Absent Gospel: Scripture Sources (Part 2) by dumb ox</title>
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		<dc:creator>dumb ox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s good way to put it.

I tell ya, I hear the &quot;bad news&quot; gospel in every Santa Claus song playing on the radio, as we near Christmas.  Santa&#039;s comin&#039;.  He&#039;s got lot&#039;s of presents for good girls and boys.  Work extra hard, and he will give you something nice!  He&#039;s a jolly old fellow, but he&#039;ll give you a lump of coal if you&#039;re bad! Better be good for...oh for goodness sake!!!  Just replace &quot;Santa Claus&quot; with &quot;Jesus&quot;, and you have 75% of the preaching taking place any given Sunday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s good way to put it.</p>
<p>I tell ya, I hear the &#8220;bad news&#8221; gospel in every Santa Claus song playing on the radio, as we near Christmas.  Santa&#8217;s comin&#8217;.  He&#8217;s got lot&#8217;s of presents for good girls and boys.  Work extra hard, and he will give you something nice!  He&#8217;s a jolly old fellow, but he&#8217;ll give you a lump of coal if you&#8217;re bad! Better be good for&#8230;oh for goodness sake!!!  Just replace &#8220;Santa Claus&#8221; with &#8220;Jesus&#8221;, and you have 75% of the preaching taking place any given Sunday.</p>
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		<title>Comment on My Strange Experiences With An Absent Gospel: Scripture Sources (Part 2) by Internet Monkey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Internet Monkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It has been said that the last thing most Christians need is another Bible study. It could be said that the last thing we need is another sermon. The good news in not easy but is also not complicated. This from Neil Cole: “Most Christians are educated beyond their obedience”.&lt;/i&gt;

True. And the first step to fixing that problem is to put the man in the pulpit in the pew and require the members to &quot;do church.&quot; As long as a paid clergyman or priest or pastor is in charge of the Sunday show or Sunday message, the church meeting will be one mouth and many ears, not a many-membered body with all the members contributing to the edification of each other and the 
building up of the body of Christ by the proper working together of each member according to the gifts and enablements that Christ has given them. The members don&#039;t do what they&#039;re supposed to do because they think the pastor or priest is to do it for them, and the pastor or priest is happy to go along with this body-crippling-and-atrophying delusion because... well, because it pays his salary and gives him authority and self- or ego-fulfillment because he&#039;s thus &quot;serving the Lord.&quot;

Balderdash.

Let the members realize that church doesn&#039;t happen and won&#039;t happen unless each of them brings a psalm, a hymn, a revelation, a prayer, a tongue, a prophecy, a sermon, etc., to the meeting. THEN you might begin to see the Body of Christ doing what it&#039;s supposed to be doing and the members behaving the Gospel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It has been said that the last thing most Christians need is another Bible study. It could be said that the last thing we need is another sermon. The good news in not easy but is also not complicated. This from Neil Cole: “Most Christians are educated beyond their obedience”.</i></p>
<p>True. And the first step to fixing that problem is to put the man in the pulpit in the pew and require the members to &#8220;do church.&#8221; As long as a paid clergyman or priest or pastor is in charge of the Sunday show or Sunday message, the church meeting will be one mouth and many ears, not a many-membered body with all the members contributing to the edification of each other and the<br />
building up of the body of Christ by the proper working together of each member according to the gifts and enablements that Christ has given them. The members don&#8217;t do what they&#8217;re supposed to do because they think the pastor or priest is to do it for them, and the pastor or priest is happy to go along with this body-crippling-and-atrophying delusion because&#8230; well, because it pays his salary and gives him authority and self- or ego-fulfillment because he&#8217;s thus &#8220;serving the Lord.&#8221;</p>
<p>Balderdash.</p>
<p>Let the members realize that church doesn&#8217;t happen and won&#8217;t happen unless each of them brings a psalm, a hymn, a revelation, a prayer, a tongue, a prophecy, a sermon, etc., to the meeting. THEN you might begin to see the Body of Christ doing what it&#8217;s supposed to be doing and the members behaving the Gospel.</p>
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