Comments for internetmonk.com http://www.internetmonk.com ...dispatches from the post-evangelical wilderness Sat, 29 Nov 2014 06:34:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.0.1 Comment on Saturday Ramblings — Nov. 29, 2014 by cermak_rd http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/52875/comment-page-1#comment-944035 Sat, 29 Nov 2014 06:34:50 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=52875#comment-944035 what about a civil union license? In IL, we have both civil unions and marriages open to all couples. The older couples who risk losing federal or company benefits have the option to availing themselves of a civil union which is essentially a state only form of marital contract.

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Comment on Saturday Ramblings — Nov. 29, 2014 by cermak_rd http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/52875/comment-page-1#comment-944034 Sat, 29 Nov 2014 06:31:38 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=52875#comment-944034 Yes, most of my younger family members have had non-church ceremonies and all the older adults have breathed a sigh of relief that the legal niceties had been taken care of. It’s just a lot easier to buy property and have both sides of the couple protected in the event of death or divorce if a marriage has been enacted. The same is true of children. Without a legal marriage, a young woman can give the couple’s child up for adoption in Utah (not sure about other states) without the permission of the father. Many people don’t have wills so having the legally married spouse able to inherit is very important; without it, the dead individual’s parent might have more say in how the estate is divided than the partner. And same with medical and end of life decisions.

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Comment on Saturday Ramblings — Nov. 29, 2014 by Steve http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/52875/comment-page-1#comment-944032 Sat, 29 Nov 2014 06:25:04 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=52875#comment-944032 I wanted to add one other story in the news this week – an article in the New York Times about a major controversy at the Unitarian Starr King School for the Ministry in Berkeley. The quote in last paragraph was the most interesting and telling:

“Unitarian Universalism is not a theologically grounded religion,” Ms. Brock said. “If we mess up our principles and values, we don’t have a theology to fall back on. We’re not Catholic — we can’t just keep giving communion until we figure it out. If we don’t have our values figured out, our institutions become pointless bureaucracies.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/22/us/inquiry-focuses-on-leaked-documents-at-starr-king-school-for-the-ministry.html?_r=0

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Comment on Saturday Ramblings — Nov. 29, 2014 by oscar http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/52875/comment-page-1#comment-944030 Sat, 29 Nov 2014 06:20:31 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=52875#comment-944030 Beer for breakfast? Don’t knock it till you’ve tried it! I prefer “Brother Thelonius”, a caramel y, smooth and malty brew with hints of dried fruits. Perfect to go with Rambling on a Saturday morning.

On Ferguson, no, we do NOT need more voices. But the question why this one: Primarily the media and the grievance industry. Yes, we are a violent society, but some segments are more violent than others, and THAT not by just a percentage or two. Unfortunately, the leading cause of death among African American males aged 15 to 34 has been homicide. The perpetrators? One of their own race in 94% of the cases. This is a tragedy of epic proportions. Why aren’t the grievance hustlers speaking about this? One answer is that it takes work and it takes time. No instant results, no regular face time on TV, no sound bytes on radio.

The same week that Michael Brown was killed, in Colorado, I believe, a police officer shot and killed a white kid who was sitting in his car and couldn’t hear the cop’s commands because the kid had ear buds in his ears while listening to music. No coverage on THIS one, though.

On civil marriage: The state has already DEFINED what constitutes marriage in most states, and is leaning the same direction in the remainder of the 50. The battle has been joined and the results have been finalized, so lets get the Church out of the business of signing licences and INTO the business of blessing them instead. After all, what IS a marriage ceremony but a statement to society that a couple has made a vow before God and family.

And for the second year in a row I have barricaded myself at home on Black Friday, refusing to enter the fray. Had a good time reading, playing solitaire and napping. Peace!

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Comment on Saturday Ramblings — Nov. 29, 2014 by Danielle http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/52875/comment-page-1#comment-944029 Sat, 29 Nov 2014 06:11:51 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=52875#comment-944029 “My thoughts on the matter is that civil marriage is baloney. Marriage is not, at its heart, a legal contract…”

Perhaps it isn’t to religious leaders. However, it is, according to civil society, just that: a legal contract. If you do not want that aspect of the institution to matter, then you will have to get rid of vast network of financial, legal, and tax laws that relate to marriage and provide protections and advantages to married couples, govern communal property, and relate to how assets are divided in the event of divorce or death.

In other words, in all but the most spiritual terms, you will have to abolish marriage.

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Comment on Saturday Ramblings — Nov. 29, 2014 by Chaplain Mike http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/52875/comment-page-1#comment-944026 Sat, 29 Nov 2014 06:05:14 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=52875#comment-944026 If I were a parish minister, I would not marry couples without a civil license either as a rule. But that does not mean I would have to be the one who signs it.

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Comment on Saturday Ramblings — Nov. 29, 2014 by Danielle http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/52875/comment-page-1#comment-944025 Sat, 29 Nov 2014 06:03:48 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=52875#comment-944025 Actually I do not thing this is true, although the media and the activists are certainly factors.

I’m continually struck by the vast differences in perception of events between black friends and white friends, when these catalyst events take place. They become instant symbols for people on all sides, summoning a perceptions and narratives that must, I presume, run deep in the still racially conscious imaginations of communities. The response on all sides is too forceful and too collective for a few leaders in either community to produce by fiat of talking; their words are hitting something raw and angry.

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Comment on Saturday Ramblings — Nov. 29, 2014 by Chaplain Mike http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/52875/comment-page-1#comment-944024 Sat, 29 Nov 2014 06:02:33 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=52875#comment-944024 I don’t see that Jacob. It is part of ordering the life of our society, which is the very essence of what government is all about. Without definitions of relationships we would have a hard time doing that.

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Comment on Saturday Ramblings — Nov. 29, 2014 by Chaplain Mike http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/52875/comment-page-1#comment-944023 Sat, 29 Nov 2014 05:57:40 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=52875#comment-944023 This doesn’t answer it for me. There are plenty of opportunities for what you say. Why this situation?

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Comment on How I Became a… Fan of the Church Fathers by Christiane http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/how-i-became-a-fan-of-the-church-fathers/comment-page-1#comment-944022 Sat, 29 Nov 2014 05:56:03 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=52869#comment-944022 one thing the Fathers left for us was record of how the early Church developed the doctrines of ‘who Christ was’ and of ‘the Holy Trinity’

the writings of the Fathers do give us valuable insight into much of the thinking of early Christianity, but it is good to note that these writings are not sacred Scripture . . . also there are some bogus writings that claim to be by the Fathers, so that should be a caveat to those who are pursuing an active study of writings accredited to the Fathers

I can’t imagine being raised as a Christian and not having knowledge of these early writings, but I have come to understand that this is the case for many who are not Catholic or Orthodox, and I am glad to see that the majority of Christian people are now becoming familiar with the writings of the early Fathers

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