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		<title>Comment on Demons Under The Bed by Trevis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trevis</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps.  But I suspect the issues that cermak_rd has are similar to those that I as a Christian have with regards to considering Satan as an actual being.

I can understand -- and observe in myself -- human fallenness, a bentness that cries out for divine intervention in the form of the Incarnation of Christ.  I can also easily accept that the Creator of the universe might, just might, have attributes that outstrip the few pounds of grey matter in my skull.

But when it comes to these angels and demons, I find myself at sea.  What motivates them?  I have glands, social pressures, a finite life, habits, etc. that push me this way and that.  But what makes a demon tick?  Or an angel?  Specifically, what makes an angel rebel?

My brain has finite capacities due to its very architecture and metabolic constraints. How smart are demons?  Are they good at math?  Chess?  (Yes, I watched &quot;The Seventh Seal.&quot;  Doesn&#039;t count.)  Can they write poetry?  Do they know whether dark matter is fermionic?  Inquiring minds want to know.

How omniscient is Satan?  Oddly enough, one must say that the attribution of so much to this singular figure actually makes Satan functionally more of a force/idea than a personal being.

Another well-known problem is that too often the demonic functions as a sort of default explanation for evil: the devil made me do it, as St. Flip always said.  But, as I said already, who/what made the devil do it?  One might begin to contemplate some sort of infinite Gnostic regression of Satans if it weren&#039;t so silly.

Of course, I could be dead wrong.  There may be more to all this than I know.  It&#039;d just be nice to have an angelology/demonology that goes beyond positing essentially human-like motivations to such beings when it suits us and God-like omniscience when that seems like the way to go instead.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps.  But I suspect the issues that cermak_rd has are similar to those that I as a Christian have with regards to considering Satan as an actual being.</p>
<p>I can understand &#8212; and observe in myself &#8212; human fallenness, a bentness that cries out for divine intervention in the form of the Incarnation of Christ.  I can also easily accept that the Creator of the universe might, just might, have attributes that outstrip the few pounds of grey matter in my skull.</p>
<p>But when it comes to these angels and demons, I find myself at sea.  What motivates them?  I have glands, social pressures, a finite life, habits, etc. that push me this way and that.  But what makes a demon tick?  Or an angel?  Specifically, what makes an angel rebel?</p>
<p>My brain has finite capacities due to its very architecture and metabolic constraints. How smart are demons?  Are they good at math?  Chess?  (Yes, I watched &#8220;The Seventh Seal.&#8221;  Doesn&#8217;t count.)  Can they write poetry?  Do they know whether dark matter is fermionic?  Inquiring minds want to know.</p>
<p>How omniscient is Satan?  Oddly enough, one must say that the attribution of so much to this singular figure actually makes Satan functionally more of a force/idea than a personal being.</p>
<p>Another well-known problem is that too often the demonic functions as a sort of default explanation for evil: the devil made me do it, as St. Flip always said.  But, as I said already, who/what made the devil do it?  One might begin to contemplate some sort of infinite Gnostic regression of Satans if it weren&#8217;t so silly.</p>
<p>Of course, I could be dead wrong.  There may be more to all this than I know.  It&#8217;d just be nice to have an angelology/demonology that goes beyond positing essentially human-like motivations to such beings when it suits us and God-like omniscience when that seems like the way to go instead.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Demons Under The Bed by Robert F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 02:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If we never look within, it&#039;s very likely that we are being driven in certain behaviors by unconscious compulsions which we are blind to; one of the purposes of self-examination is to watch ourselves in the hopes of observing where this might be true, so that we may be fair and true in our dealings with others, and walk justly with them rather than have relationships driven by unknown compulsions that exist in our blind spots.  The real motivation for self-examination should be love of neighbor as commanded by Jesus.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we never look within, it&#8217;s very likely that we are being driven in certain behaviors by unconscious compulsions which we are blind to; one of the purposes of self-examination is to watch ourselves in the hopes of observing where this might be true, so that we may be fair and true in our dealings with others, and walk justly with them rather than have relationships driven by unknown compulsions that exist in our blind spots.  The real motivation for self-examination should be love of neighbor as commanded by Jesus.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Demons Under The Bed by Robert F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 02:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m afraid poor Damien (Damien? really? how bloody predictable can you get?) is sorely deluded.  These Satanists are truly boorish.  Everything they are trying to say can be compressed into the words of the English poet William Blake:  &quot;Energy is Eternal Delight.....He who desires but acts not, breeds pestilence...&quot;  Blake was wrong, of course; but at least he had real style, courage and creativity.  Like Nietzsche.  Why can&#039;t this crop of current  Satanists have a little real imagination?  What a pathetic bunch.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid poor Damien (Damien? really? how bloody predictable can you get?) is sorely deluded.  These Satanists are truly boorish.  Everything they are trying to say can be compressed into the words of the English poet William Blake:  &#8220;Energy is Eternal Delight&#8230;..He who desires but acts not, breeds pestilence&#8230;&#8221;  Blake was wrong, of course; but at least he had real style, courage and creativity.  Like Nietzsche.  Why can&#8217;t this crop of current  Satanists have a little real imagination?  What a pathetic bunch.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Demons Under The Bed by Radagast</title>
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		<dc:creator>Radagast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 01:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I googled Pope Francis and Pelagians and found it ... seems he had something to say about the traditionalist movement in the first paragraph and in the second paragraph new agers.... but I think it was taken out of context.

According to the blog the Pope had an audience with the presiding board of the CLAR (the Latin American and Caribbean Confederation of Religious Men and Women - Confederación Latinoamericana y Caribeña de Religiosos y Religiosas) on June 6, 2013 

&quot;I share with you two concerns. One is the Pelagian current that there is in the Church at this moment. There are some restorationist groups. I know some, it fell upon me to receive them in Buenos Aires. And one feels as if one goes back 60 years! Before the Council... One feels in 1940... An anecdote, just to illustrate this, it is not to laugh at it, I took it with respect, but it concerns me; when I was elected, I received a letter from one of these groups, and they said: &quot;Your Holiness, we offer you this spiritual treasure: 3,525 rosaries.&quot; Why don&#039;t they say, &#039;we pray for you, we ask...&#039;, but this thing of counting... And these groups return to practices and to disciplines that I lived through - not you, because you are not old - to disciplines, to things that in that moment took place, but not now, they do not exist today...&quot;


Again, this did not come from an official site so no idea what came before or after]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I googled Pope Francis and Pelagians and found it &#8230; seems he had something to say about the traditionalist movement in the first paragraph and in the second paragraph new agers&#8230;. but I think it was taken out of context.</p>
<p>According to the blog the Pope had an audience with the presiding board of the CLAR (the Latin American and Caribbean Confederation of Religious Men and Women &#8211; Confederación Latinoamericana y Caribeña de Religiosos y Religiosas) on June 6, 2013 </p>
<p>&#8220;I share with you two concerns. One is the Pelagian current that there is in the Church at this moment. There are some restorationist groups. I know some, it fell upon me to receive them in Buenos Aires. And one feels as if one goes back 60 years! Before the Council&#8230; One feels in 1940&#8230; An anecdote, just to illustrate this, it is not to laugh at it, I took it with respect, but it concerns me; when I was elected, I received a letter from one of these groups, and they said: &#8220;Your Holiness, we offer you this spiritual treasure: 3,525 rosaries.&#8221; Why don&#8217;t they say, &#8216;we pray for you, we ask&#8230;&#8217;, but this thing of counting&#8230; And these groups return to practices and to disciplines that I lived through &#8211; not you, because you are not old &#8211; to disciplines, to things that in that moment took place, but not now, they do not exist today&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Again, this did not come from an official site so no idea what came before or after</p>
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		<title>Comment on Demons Under The Bed by Steve Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 01:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Radagast,

I see your point. 

I&#039;m not sure about the whole spiritual guidance thing. I guess there are things about it that may be helpful. But generally, when we look inward, we are asking for trouble. It seems to shift the focus away from the finished work to what we should, ought, or must be doing (oftentimes).

I could probably be a lot further off base than you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Radagast,</p>
<p>I see your point. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure about the whole spiritual guidance thing. I guess there are things about it that may be helpful. But generally, when we look inward, we are asking for trouble. It seems to shift the focus away from the finished work to what we should, ought, or must be doing (oftentimes).</p>
<p>I could probably be a lot further off base than you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Demons Under The Bed by Pattie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pattie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 00:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ditto.....don&#039;t get what you are saying?????]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ditto&#8230;..don&#8217;t get what you are saying?????</p>
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		<title>Comment on Demons Under The Bed by Pattie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pattie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 00:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve, Glenn and Steve are correct, and your understanding seems to be a bit off,  Christ spoke with Satan.....he is a real created being, not an idea or a force.  True, humans cause a fair bit of evil, but Lucifer and his buddies were created by God, just like all the rest of the species of beings of spirit called Angels, who preceded us humans as beings of spirit and flesh.

Catholic or not, your understanding of the Evil Ones who revolted again God not Christian teaching....maybe some reading and prayer would help you see the validity and realness of these beings.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, Glenn and Steve are correct, and your understanding seems to be a bit off,  Christ spoke with Satan&#8230;..he is a real created being, not an idea or a force.  True, humans cause a fair bit of evil, but Lucifer and his buddies were created by God, just like all the rest of the species of beings of spirit called Angels, who preceded us humans as beings of spirit and flesh.</p>
<p>Catholic or not, your understanding of the Evil Ones who revolted again God not Christian teaching&#8230;.maybe some reading and prayer would help you see the validity and realness of these beings.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Demons Under The Bed by Pattie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pattie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 00:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No hard feelings pointed your way, my brother.   Damien, however, needs to take a deep breathe, have a cup of tea, and chill~~~~]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No hard feelings pointed your way, my brother.   Damien, however, needs to take a deep breathe, have a cup of tea, and chill~~~~</p>
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		<title>Comment on Demons Under The Bed by Glenn A Bolas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn A Bolas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jun 2013 23:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree  our human capacity for evil is considerable and requires little assistance from outside forces. But I also believe there are beings out there of pure intellect that are simply malicious, which we call demons. I would never attribute all evil to them- we can do pretty well on our own without them- but when I come across something like, say, the Reign of Terror in France, I have to think there is something more than regular human evil at work here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree  our human capacity for evil is considerable and requires little assistance from outside forces. But I also believe there are beings out there of pure intellect that are simply malicious, which we call demons. I would never attribute all evil to them- we can do pretty well on our own without them- but when I come across something like, say, the Reign of Terror in France, I have to think there is something more than regular human evil at work here.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Demons Under The Bed by Damaris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Damaris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jun 2013 22:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What??  Please clarify.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What??  Please clarify.</p>
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