Comments for ...dispatches from the post-evangelical wilderness Tue, 29 Jul 2014 19:42:14 +0000 hourly 1 Comment on The Triduan Shape of History by Peace Tue, 29 Jul 2014 19:42:14 +0000 So, has Abraham “protected the peace”?

Comment on The Triduan Shape of History by Peace Tue, 29 Jul 2014 19:38:54 +0000 Maybe to help with understanding…
At the end, there is one.

A lot of kids say, as kids, “one thing needed.. I choose. I better choose wisely and be sure I can tend to it…”
One child say, “Every harvest, everything is gone after I choose. I can’t choose any one thing and care for it in a manner that the Father would be pleased with me and I would be glad and say, “He’s pleased with me.” I can’t remain in Christ if my heart’s desire is to hear, “well done…” I want to rest in a goodness of will that depends on trust. I trust the Father is good. I trust He alone is worthy of pleased and well done praises. I trust Him to know my heart’s desire better than I know myself, and to redeem it all, for Himself.”

So, meanwhile, the choice kids are busy and happy investing and reinvesting. And it’s not bad. But, the “fight” introduces itself again. The kids say, “Why? I thought we were done with this.” The kids BELIEVE and say over and over, “It’s not me, I am saved, I believe — bad is “out there” and WE are going to fight it. (With G-d’s help)

It’s like the eyes see what is inside…
In other words, when Israel says that peace should be protected…
Is this, too, the statement of the Father?

And if so, the Prince of Peace is the One Son over the father of both sides…

Comment on The Triduan Shape of History by Chaplain Mike Tue, 29 Jul 2014 18:39:17 +0000 I’ll tell you how — because you are misreading it. Like God’s Son himself, Christians are called “love to the uttermost.” That is the positive, life-affirming, missional vocation of the church. But we live in a world of powers that resist and often actively oppose love. In the short and medium term, they often “win.” The triduan perspective maintains hope that love will ultimately win in the truest sense and therefore continues to love in the face of suffering. I don’t see anything defeatist or pessimistic about this. Jesus’ path tells us something quite different. So does Paul, whom we will explore tomorrow. Both tell us that the only path to life is by way of the cross.

Comment on The Triduan Shape of History by Cedric Klein Tue, 29 Jul 2014 18:24:40 +0000 While we need a corrective from Triumphalism, a Crown without a Cross, and Prosperity Theology, this article has the tone of eloquently rehashing the all-too pervasive Defeatism, Perpetual Crucifixion, and Poverty Theology that prompted the above. The Beast’s boot forever stomps the Martyr’s face, the Rapist continually violates the Bride, the Lash flays perpetually the flesh of the Slave, the Lion shall always rend the Lamb, the Vine and the Fig Tree always burned by the Invader, and there shall be no peace this side of the Grave.

Tell me how this isn’t easily distorted into the worst caricature of PessiMillenialism, and doesn’t make one long for either the Blazing Christophany at Armageddon, or the slow & unsteady but still real Evangelization & DIscipline of the world & the flooding of the globe with the very effective Law & Gospel of God.

Comment on The Triduan Shape of History by David Cornwell Tue, 29 Jul 2014 18:16:24 +0000 I like that. It is very similar to what I’ve heard Berry say in another context, discussing the difference between hope and optimism. One can be utterly devoid of optimism concerning the future, yet have hope, because it’s an orientation of the spirit. I have a feeling he has read Havel.

Comment on The Triduan Shape of History by Christiane Tue, 29 Jul 2014 17:25:16 +0000 most people don’t dwell on ‘hope’ in the Christian sense, unless they are reduced to circumstances where ‘hope’ is all that remains to the them

. . . this quote has helped put ‘hope’ into a better Christian perspective for me:

“Hope is an orientation of the spirit, an orientation of the heart;
it transcends the world that is immediately experienced, and is anchored somewhere beyond its horizons
. . . It is not the conviction that something will turn out well, but the certainty that something makes sense,
regardless of how it turns out.”

(Vaclav Havel)

Comment on The Triduan Shape of History by Dana Ames Tue, 29 Jul 2014 17:06:35 +0000 Fr Stephen Freeman wrote on this whole thing recently – caused some unease and gave me a lot to ponder… but I think he’s right. It may not be that it will happen with “heat death or the Big Rip;” after all, the universe kept running even when we had killed its Fashioner, so it may not involve the absolute death of everything. I don’t think it’s anywhere near as nihilistic as “It’s all going to burn anyway.” It is certainly not without hope, for there is the reality of Christ’s resurrection, and the yearning of all creation for its own ultimate fulfillment (Rom 8). But if one understands what an iconic view of things involves, it makes sense. It’s not what we want to hear. But it is something to seriously consider.


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Comment on A Jesus-Shaped Response to Israel and Gaza by Bass Tue, 29 Jul 2014 16:16:29 +0000 Your response, particularly the last paragraph, powerfully proved my point.

Comment on The Triduan Shape of History by Chaplain Mike Tue, 29 Jul 2014 16:06:42 +0000 I don’t think his words have to be taken so darkly. He urges us to live lives of love, which involves laying down our lives. He also makes the point that, although love inevitably conquers, it is not always “strong” enough to overcome evil in the short term. Whether the road is easy or swarming with love’s enemies, it is the way forward.