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	<title>Comments on: Who Let The Theologians In Here? (The SBC, that is.)</title>
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		<title>By: Cultural Savage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cultural Savage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seeing how I am not SBC, many I shouldn&#039;t rant on this one... but then again opening my mouth where I shouldn&#039;t has always been a strong point, and I gotta stick to my strengths (other argument: Ranting is my spiritual gift...) 8)
When did the desire to know God and to help others know Him turn the corner and become a self professed dictatorship of small matters?  Perhaps that is harsh, but I remember vividly when I used to want to be known as a theologian.  Now, I am almost scared that if someone labels me as such I am going to have to play a part in cloistering the church away from the wicked world.  I do believe that we need to think clearly and correctly about many issues that face us as a church, however shouldn&#039;t our thinking be sparked from Who God is and What God does instead of personal convictions derived from fear and some elitist mentality? I don&#039;t mean to get under anyones skin, and I apologize if I have overstepped my boundaries or hurt anyones feelings... I just hate to see any part of the church bound up and made ineffective by mans thinking, especial when mans thoughts try to get passed off as Gods thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seeing how I am not SBC, many I shouldn&#8217;t rant on this one&#8230; but then again opening my mouth where I shouldn&#8217;t has always been a strong point, and I gotta stick to my strengths (other argument: Ranting is my spiritual gift&#8230;) <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> When did the desire to know God and to help others know Him turn the corner and become a self professed dictatorship of small matters?  Perhaps that is harsh, but I remember vividly when I used to want to be known as a theologian.  Now, I am almost scared that if someone labels me as such I am going to have to play a part in cloistering the church away from the wicked world.  I do believe that we need to think clearly and correctly about many issues that face us as a church, however shouldn&#8217;t our thinking be sparked from Who God is and What God does instead of personal convictions derived from fear and some elitist mentality? I don&#8217;t mean to get under anyones skin, and I apologize if I have overstepped my boundaries or hurt anyones feelings&#8230; I just hate to see any part of the church bound up and made ineffective by mans thinking, especial when mans thoughts try to get passed off as Gods thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very perceptive, Michael.</description>
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		<title>By: C Grace</title>
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		<dc:creator>C Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a breath of fresh air. I&#039;ve been around the net reading about some of the different theological arguments going on. After reading your artical I felt like it cleaned out my heart from all the garbage. We can&#039;t ignore theology but as you said I don&#039;t think it should be on the forefront. I am always awed by how the Church has continued to exist all these years despite man&#039;s darkened mind and heart. Somewhere below the misunderstandings, arguments and our 
attempts to disect God, He holds our heart and points us back to Jesus Christ.

I remember a statement by CS Lewis where he says that right after he has successfully defended Christianity is when Christ is least real to him. I think it is a good point to remember if we end up having to deal with theological issues.

Hey, maybe a theologian is some who is attempting to disect God :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a breath of fresh air. I&#8217;ve been around the net reading about some of the different theological arguments going on. After reading your artical I felt like it cleaned out my heart from all the garbage. We can&#8217;t ignore theology but as you said I don&#8217;t think it should be on the forefront. I am always awed by how the Church has continued to exist all these years despite man&#8217;s darkened mind and heart. Somewhere below the misunderstandings, arguments and our<br />
attempts to disect God, He holds our heart and points us back to Jesus Christ.</p>
<p>I remember a statement by CS Lewis where he says that right after he has successfully defended Christianity is when Christ is least real to him. I think it is a good point to remember if we end up having to deal with theological issues.</p>
<p>Hey, maybe a theologian is some who is attempting to disect God <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Debra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Just what is a theologian anyway?&quot;

It is supposed to be one who studies (the &#039;ology&#039; part) God (theos).  Which technically could be anyone interested in knowing more about Him. However, while  studying theology is fascinating and even helpful sometimes, it can never take the place of relationship.  I wouldn&#039;t say that in trying to develop a deeper relationship with my husband, Frank, that I have benefited much from my &#039;studies&#039; (Frank-ology? spouse-ology?) Honestly, I am not trying to get &#039;cute&#039; here.  I really desire to know as much about Him as I can--but I desire more to simply know Him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Just what is a theologian anyway?&#8221;</p>
<p>It is supposed to be one who studies (the &#8216;ology&#8217; part) God (theos).  Which technically could be anyone interested in knowing more about Him. However, while  studying theology is fascinating and even helpful sometimes, it can never take the place of relationship.  I wouldn&#8217;t say that in trying to develop a deeper relationship with my husband, Frank, that I have benefited much from my &#8217;studies&#8217; (Frank-ology? spouse-ology?) Honestly, I am not trying to get &#8216;cute&#8217; here.  I really desire to know as much about Him as I can&#8211;but I desire more to simply know Him.</p>
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		<title>By: Prester Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prester Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On one level, theology is scholarship, but on a deeper level, it&#039;s the application of our rational powers to God&#039;s Revelation.  When approached rightly, theology glorifies God, just as worship does.  Theology is necessary, but like anything God&#039;s People do, it can become dry and lifeless when those doing it lose sight of their first love.

Note that the greatest theologians have also generally been bishops: lifetimes spent grappling with God in prayer and sacrament, and feeding and caring for the sheep through preaching and spiritual fatherhood.  Those are the sorts of theologians that impress me.  Lay academics in ivory towers with big ideas generally don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On one level, theology is scholarship, but on a deeper level, it&#8217;s the application of our rational powers to God&#8217;s Revelation.  When approached rightly, theology glorifies God, just as worship does.  Theology is necessary, but like anything God&#8217;s People do, it can become dry and lifeless when those doing it lose sight of their first love.</p>
<p>Note that the greatest theologians have also generally been bishops: lifetimes spent grappling with God in prayer and sacrament, and feeding and caring for the sheep through preaching and spiritual fatherhood.  Those are the sorts of theologians that impress me.  Lay academics in ivory towers with big ideas generally don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, I hope and pray you are wrong but know you are probably right.  Most of the academic types I know are not concerned with the social and culture wars.  This is what surprises me about Mohler.  His blog archives are full of culture commentary.  If this is the direction for the academics I pray God will have mercy on us for putting our priorities in the wrong place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, I hope and pray you are wrong but know you are probably right.  Most of the academic types I know are not concerned with the social and culture wars.  This is what surprises me about Mohler.  His blog archives are full of culture commentary.  If this is the direction for the academics I pray God will have mercy on us for putting our priorities in the wrong place.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Thune</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Thune</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, seriously... how is this any different than an SBC theologian saying, &quot;Look for the Emergent movement to drift off into rampant heresy. Look for its leaders to fall into immorality. Look for it to move away from issues of mission and into liberal social-gospel constructions of theology.&quot; 

Let&#039;s believe the best, man. What&#039;s the point of prophesying the irrelevance of a movement (SBC theologians) that is currently doing much good? Your predictions certainly COULD come true, but it seems to me that your tone is pretty negative and critical in a way that you would not appreciate if it were directed against you!

I&#039;d rather be a voice of hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, seriously&#8230; how is this any different than an SBC theologian saying, &#8220;Look for the Emergent movement to drift off into rampant heresy. Look for its leaders to fall into immorality. Look for it to move away from issues of mission and into liberal social-gospel constructions of theology.&#8221; </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s believe the best, man. What&#8217;s the point of prophesying the irrelevance of a movement (SBC theologians) that is currently doing much good? Your predictions certainly COULD come true, but it seems to me that your tone is pretty negative and critical in a way that you would not appreciate if it were directed against you!</p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather be a voice of hope.</p>
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		<title>By: iMonk</title>
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		<dc:creator>iMonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My tone is negative and critical? Sorry....is critical a bad word? Just curious. Where am I mean and nasty in this post? It&#039;s just an observation and some predictions. Don&#039;t I say its probably &quot;overpriced?&quot; Don&#039;t I say there will be positives? What do I have to do to lose the &quot;tone?&quot;

aaron: The current theologion class is LEADING the charge into the culture war, and are part of the reason the conservative &quot;resurgence&quot; hasn&#039;t resulted in much evangelism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My tone is negative and critical? Sorry&#8230;.is critical a bad word? Just curious. Where am I mean and nasty in this post? It&#8217;s just an observation and some predictions. Don&#8217;t I say its probably &#8220;overpriced?&#8221; Don&#8217;t I say there will be positives? What do I have to do to lose the &#8220;tone?&#8221;</p>
<p>aaron: The current theologion class is LEADING the charge into the culture war, and are part of the reason the conservative &#8220;resurgence&#8221; hasn&#8217;t resulted in much evangelism.</p>
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		<title>By: iMonk</title>
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		<dc:creator>iMonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where did I prophesy irrelevance? Don&#039;t I say just the opposite?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where did I prophesy irrelevance? Don&#8217;t I say just the opposite?</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,

I recently graduated from Southeastern Seminary in Wake Forest, NC.  As recently as two years ago.  Now, I am a pastor in a little city in Lousiana, barely 2 miles from the Bayou and the mighty Mississippi.  Cajuns and french cooking are the order of the day.

Let me say that I think that you have seriously underestimated the value of the &quot;conservative resurgence.&quot;  If you take Southeastern as a test sample, then I think that you find it has grown by leaps and bounds, that the Bible is being taught faithfully as true, and that missions work has increased a hundredfold.  I am normally content to sit in the shadows and enjoy the dialouge, but that comment about the resurgence not leading to much evangelism is total garbage.

I realize that the grand ole SBC has her problems.  And I know that we would do just as well as a denomination to lose a million members this year as well as have a million folks be saved.  I am appalled at the often shallow tactics that we use for evangelism and &quot;growth&quot; just as you seem to be.

But, and I must be frank, to go and judge the wonderful, godly theologians that molded my thirst for God and His Word by Al Mohler alone makes my blood run hot.  I think of the hours that these men labored to teach me &quot;theology&quot;.  I remember the tears of exhortation, and I remember their earnest prayers on my behalf.  I remember being rooted and grounded in the faith.  At Southeastern, that is about as radical a change as you will find in any institution over the last 20 years, I guarantee you that.

Furthermore, I remember friend after friend leaving to do missionary work for 2 years or more in &quot;closed&quot; countries.  Essentially, my good friends risked their lives to carry the gospel to North Africa, the Middle East, and East Asia.  They did so because they learned of the power of God to save in their classes with theologians.  

I could go on and on.  But let me tell you, what you see Al Mohler doing is not what is going on in each Seminary.  While Dr. Mohler labors for engagment in society, others are laboring quietly to instill a thirst for God in the next generations leaders.  If you see a change in the &quot;young&quot; SBC, who do you think that they learned it from?  From culture?  If you see them walking more faithfully to the Word of God, do you think that they got it from blogs?  Give me a break.

I am not defending the hype that usually happens at the SBC conventions, don&#039;t misunderstand me.  If you want to jump on that, then hit it with both feet.  If you want to argue that the SBC&#039;s theme ought to have been, &quot;Teach the 16.4 million theology so that they can be disciples!&quot; Instead of a million more converts, I agree.  But to level the accusation that those devout men (who are now belittled for being &quot;theologians&quot;) are somehow ineffective, I just cannot tell you how wrong you are.

I think your comments are misguided, and I will end with that.  I am grieved at what I read here.  The godly theologians of the SBC are not ineffective; they are the SBC&#039;s hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>I recently graduated from Southeastern Seminary in Wake Forest, NC.  As recently as two years ago.  Now, I am a pastor in a little city in Lousiana, barely 2 miles from the Bayou and the mighty Mississippi.  Cajuns and french cooking are the order of the day.</p>
<p>Let me say that I think that you have seriously underestimated the value of the &#8220;conservative resurgence.&#8221;  If you take Southeastern as a test sample, then I think that you find it has grown by leaps and bounds, that the Bible is being taught faithfully as true, and that missions work has increased a hundredfold.  I am normally content to sit in the shadows and enjoy the dialouge, but that comment about the resurgence not leading to much evangelism is total garbage.</p>
<p>I realize that the grand ole SBC has her problems.  And I know that we would do just as well as a denomination to lose a million members this year as well as have a million folks be saved.  I am appalled at the often shallow tactics that we use for evangelism and &#8220;growth&#8221; just as you seem to be.</p>
<p>But, and I must be frank, to go and judge the wonderful, godly theologians that molded my thirst for God and His Word by Al Mohler alone makes my blood run hot.  I think of the hours that these men labored to teach me &#8220;theology&#8221;.  I remember the tears of exhortation, and I remember their earnest prayers on my behalf.  I remember being rooted and grounded in the faith.  At Southeastern, that is about as radical a change as you will find in any institution over the last 20 years, I guarantee you that.</p>
<p>Furthermore, I remember friend after friend leaving to do missionary work for 2 years or more in &#8220;closed&#8221; countries.  Essentially, my good friends risked their lives to carry the gospel to North Africa, the Middle East, and East Asia.  They did so because they learned of the power of God to save in their classes with theologians.  </p>
<p>I could go on and on.  But let me tell you, what you see Al Mohler doing is not what is going on in each Seminary.  While Dr. Mohler labors for engagment in society, others are laboring quietly to instill a thirst for God in the next generations leaders.  If you see a change in the &#8220;young&#8221; SBC, who do you think that they learned it from?  From culture?  If you see them walking more faithfully to the Word of God, do you think that they got it from blogs?  Give me a break.</p>
<p>I am not defending the hype that usually happens at the SBC conventions, don&#8217;t misunderstand me.  If you want to jump on that, then hit it with both feet.  If you want to argue that the SBC&#8217;s theme ought to have been, &#8220;Teach the 16.4 million theology so that they can be disciples!&#8221; Instead of a million more converts, I agree.  But to level the accusation that those devout men (who are now belittled for being &#8220;theologians&#8221;) are somehow ineffective, I just cannot tell you how wrong you are.</p>
<p>I think your comments are misguided, and I will end with that.  I am grieved at what I read here.  The godly theologians of the SBC are not ineffective; they are the SBC&#8217;s hope.</p>
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