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		<title>By: Bob Brague</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Brague</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 22:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never noticed until just now that this entire discussion took place five months ago.

I&#039;m always the last to get the word....</description>
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<p>I&#8217;m always the last to get the word&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Brague</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Brague</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This discussion has become extremely boring. Brague out.

Except to cite one very ridiculous example of a large Southern Baptist Church in Alabama where a musically gifted husband and wife team are the Orchestra leader and Choir leader, respectively.  I would say that in most traditional churches the choir is the primary music ministry; if there is an orchestra it is there as an accompaniment to the choir, the primary music ministry.  In this particular large Southern Baptist Church in Alabama the orchestra-of-40 leader (the husband) is the Minister of Music and the choir-of-200 leader (the wife) is the Associate Minister of Music.  Because, naturally (so they think there), a wife cannot outrank her husband in the church hierarchy.  

Zounds and egads!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This discussion has become extremely boring. Brague out.</p>
<p>Except to cite one very ridiculous example of a large Southern Baptist Church in Alabama where a musically gifted husband and wife team are the Orchestra leader and Choir leader, respectively.  I would say that in most traditional churches the choir is the primary music ministry; if there is an orchestra it is there as an accompaniment to the choir, the primary music ministry.  In this particular large Southern Baptist Church in Alabama the orchestra-of-40 leader (the husband) is the Minister of Music and the choir-of-200 leader (the wife) is the Associate Minister of Music.  Because, naturally (so they think there), a wife cannot outrank her husband in the church hierarchy.  </p>
<p>Zounds and egads!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Anton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas Anton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 22:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charis 

Please read and learn to understand your own sources.

Sarah = &quot;lady; princess; princess of the multitude
my lady; my princess&quot;

Sarai = &quot;princess&quot;  



&quot;The character of Sarah is of mingled light and shade. On the one hand we have seen that lapse from faith which resulted in the birth of Ishmael, and that lack of self-control and charity which resulted in a quarrel with Abraham, an act of injustice to Hagar, and the disinheriting of Ishmael. Yet on the other hand we see in Sarah, as the New Testament writers point out (Heb 11:11; 1 Pet 3:6), one who through a long life of companionship with Abraham shared his hope in God, his faith in the promises, and his power to become God&#039;s agent for achieving what was humanly impossible. In fact, to Sarah is ascribed a sort of spiritual maternity, correlative with Abraham&#039;s position as &quot;father of the faithful&quot;; for all women are declared to be the (spiritual) daughters of Sarah, who like her are adorned in &quot;the hidden man of the heart,&quot; and who are &quot;doers of good&quot; and &quot;fearers of no terror&quot; (1 Peter loc. cit., literally rendered). That in spite of her outbreak about Hagar and Ishmael she was in general &quot;in subjection to her husband&quot; and of &quot;a meek and quiet spirit,&quot; appears from her husband&#039;s genuine grief at her decease, and still more clearly from her son&#039;s prolonged mourning for her (Gen 24:67; compare 17:17 and 23:1 with 25:20). And He who maketh even the wrath of man to praise Him used even Sarah&#039;s jealous anger to accomplish His purpose that &quot;the son of the freewoman,&quot; Isaac, &quot;born through promise,&quot; should alone inherit that promise (Gal 4:22-31).&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charis </p>
<p>Please read and learn to understand your own sources.</p>
<p>Sarah = &#8220;lady; princess; princess of the multitude<br />
my lady; my princess&#8221;</p>
<p>Sarai = &#8220;princess&#8221;  </p>
<p>&#8220;The character of Sarah is of mingled light and shade. On the one hand we have seen that lapse from faith which resulted in the birth of Ishmael, and that lack of self-control and charity which resulted in a quarrel with Abraham, an act of injustice to Hagar, and the disinheriting of Ishmael. Yet on the other hand we see in Sarah, as the New Testament writers point out (<a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=Heb+11%3A11" class="bibleref" title="ESV Heb 11:11">Heb 11:11</a>; <a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=1+Pet+3%3A6" class="bibleref" title="ESV 1Pet 3:6">1 Pet 3:6</a>), one who through a long life of companionship with Abraham shared his hope in God, his faith in the promises, and his power to become God&#8217;s agent for achieving what was humanly impossible. In fact, to Sarah is ascribed a sort of spiritual maternity, correlative with Abraham&#8217;s position as &#8220;father of the faithful&#8221;; for all women are declared to be the (spiritual) daughters of Sarah, who like her are adorned in &#8220;the hidden man of the heart,&#8221; and who are &#8220;doers of good&#8221; and &#8220;fearers of no terror&#8221; (1 Peter loc. cit., literally rendered). That in spite of her outbreak about Hagar and Ishmael she was in general &#8220;in subjection to her husband&#8221; and of &#8220;a meek and quiet spirit,&#8221; appears from her husband&#8217;s genuine grief at her decease, and still more clearly from her son&#8217;s prolonged mourning for her (<a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=Gen+24%3A67" class="bibleref" title="ESV Gen 24:67">Gen 24:67</a>; compare 17:17 and 23:1 with 25:20). And He who maketh even the wrath of man to praise Him used even Sarah&#8217;s jealous anger to accomplish His purpose that &#8220;the son of the freewoman,&#8221; Isaac, &#8220;born through promise,&#8221; should alone inherit that promise (<a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=Gal+4%3A22-31" class="bibleref" title="ESV Gal 4:22-31">Gal 4:22-31</a>).&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Charis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 17:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh, Nicholas, one must go behind the veil to understand this scripture.... and I&#039;m afraid that the section you quoted is addressed uniquely to &quot;&lt;b&gt;wives&lt;/b&gt;&quot;. (see 1 Peter 3:1)  I am assuming you are not one?  So you are not qualified to interpret it for us, KWIM? Are you married Nicholas?  There is mail in scripture addressed to &lt;b&gt;husbands&lt;/b&gt; too, so you have the authority to understand and obey those :)

 Sarah&#039;s a positively &lt;b&gt;wonderful&lt;/b&gt; role model :)

NICHOLAS, DID YOU KNOW that Abraham OBEYED Sarah and called her RULER?  That&#039;s right!!!  This is what any WIFE will discover when she starts digging :)

You&#039;ve heard &quot;Sarah&quot; means &quot;princess&quot;?  Well, you gotta stop thinking Disney!  &quot;Sarah&quot; means ruler. &lt;a href=&quot;http://net.bible.org/dictionary.php?dict=dictionaries&amp;word=Sarah#isbe_1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;(click here to read it in the NetBible Dictionary)&lt;/a&gt;  GOD Himself instructed Abraham thus:
    
   &lt;i&gt; &quot;God also said to Abraham, “As for Sarai your wife, you are no longer to call her Sarai; her name will be Sarah.&quot;  Genesis 17:15&lt;/i&gt;

Do you think Peter’s readers knew that SARAH means RULER?   I do.  Do you think Peter’s readers knew that Sarah had a great deal of authority in her household? I do.  I think they knew their scriptures and I think they honored Sarah.  Sarah/ruler/so-named by God was a powerful woman,  so much so that when she told her husband that his son must go… “a matter which greatly displeased Abraham”

Abraham had the spiritual integrity to check with God:

    &lt;i&gt; &quot;So she said to Abraham, “Cast out this slave woman with her son; … And &lt;b&gt;the thing was very displeasing to Abraham…&lt;/b&gt;  But God said to Abraham, &lt;b&gt;&#039;Be not displeased… whatever Sarah says to you, do as she tells you,&#039;&lt;/b&gt;&quot;Gen 21:10-12&lt;/i&gt;

Exactly how much more authoritative can one get?
All at once she speaks with authority into Abraham’s life, into history, and right into the Word of God in the new covenant: see Gal 4:29-31

I think Peter’s readers knew all that.  And a careful student of the Bible will likewise come to understand that GOD HIMSELF taught Abraham to respect his wife and submit to her just as Sarah submitted to him.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh, Nicholas, one must go behind the veil to understand this scripture&#8230;. and I&#8217;m afraid that the section you quoted is addressed uniquely to &#8220;<b>wives</b>&#8220;. (see <a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=1+Peter+3%3A1" class="bibleref" title="ESV 1Peter 3:1">1 Peter 3:1</a>)  I am assuming you are not one?  So you are not qualified to interpret it for us, KWIM? Are you married Nicholas?  There is mail in scripture addressed to <b>husbands</b> too, so you have the authority to understand and obey those <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p> Sarah&#8217;s a positively <b>wonderful</b> role model <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>NICHOLAS, DID YOU KNOW that Abraham OBEYED Sarah and called her RULER?  That&#8217;s right!!!  This is what any WIFE will discover when she starts digging <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>You&#8217;ve heard &#8220;Sarah&#8221; means &#8220;princess&#8221;?  Well, you gotta stop thinking Disney!  &#8220;Sarah&#8221; means ruler. <a href="http://net.bible.org/dictionary.php?dict=dictionaries&amp;word=Sarah#isbe_1" rel="nofollow">(click here to read it in the NetBible Dictionary)</a>  GOD Himself instructed Abraham thus:</p>
<p>   <i> &#8220;God also said to Abraham, “As for Sarai your wife, you are no longer to call her Sarai; her name will be Sarah.&#8221;  <a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=Genesis+17%3A15" class="bibleref" title="ESV Genesis 17:15">Genesis 17:15</a></i></p>
<p>Do you think Peter’s readers knew that SARAH means RULER?   I do.  Do you think Peter’s readers knew that Sarah had a great deal of authority in her household? I do.  I think they knew their scriptures and I think they honored Sarah.  Sarah/ruler/so-named by God was a powerful woman,  so much so that when she told her husband that his son must go… “a matter which greatly displeased Abraham”</p>
<p>Abraham had the spiritual integrity to check with God:</p>
<p>    <i> &#8220;So she said to Abraham, “Cast out this slave woman with her son; … And <b>the thing was very displeasing to Abraham…</b>  But God said to Abraham, <b>&#8216;Be not displeased… whatever Sarah says to you, do as she tells you,&#8217;</b>&#8220;<a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=Gen+21%3A10-12" class="bibleref" title="ESV Gen 21:10-12">Gen 21:10-12</a></i></p>
<p>Exactly how much more authoritative can one get?<br />
All at once she speaks with authority into Abraham’s life, into history, and right into the Word of God in the new covenant: see <a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=Gal+4%3A29-31" class="bibleref" title="ESV Gal 4:29-31">Gal 4:29-31</a></p>
<p>I think Peter’s readers knew all that.  And a careful student of the Bible will likewise come to understand that GOD HIMSELF taught Abraham to respect his wife and submit to her just as Sarah submitted to him.  <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Anton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas Anton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 06:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charis

re;
“If I am Sarah’s daughter, then she is my mother and I don’t appreciate your slandering her.”

Four of the qualities and practices listed by Peter in 1 Peter 3 to being “daughters of Sarah are;
1)  1 Peter 3:4;  “..a gentle and quiet spirit.”

2)  1 Peter 3:5;  “...being submissive to their own husbands.”

3)  1 Peter 3:6;  “...obey your husband.”

4)  1 Peter 3:6;  “...call your husband lord.”

The above are included in “...doing what is right...”

Check off the above and let me know if you truly are a daughter of Sarah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charis</p>
<p>re;<br />
“If I am Sarah’s daughter, then she is my mother and I don’t appreciate your slandering her.”</p>
<p>Four of the qualities and practices listed by Peter in <a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=1+Peter+3" class="bibleref" title="ESV 1Peter 3">1 Peter 3</a> to being “daughters of Sarah are;<br />
1)  <a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=1+Peter+3%3A4" class="bibleref" title="ESV 1Peter 3:4">1 Peter 3:4</a>;  “..a gentle and quiet spirit.”</p>
<p>2)  <a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=1+Peter+3%3A5" class="bibleref" title="ESV 1Peter 3:5">1 Peter 3:5</a>;  “&#8230;being submissive to their own husbands.”</p>
<p>3)  <a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=1+Peter+3%3A6" class="bibleref" title="ESV 1Peter 3:6">1 Peter 3:6</a>;  “&#8230;obey your husband.”</p>
<p>4)  <a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=1+Peter+3%3A6" class="bibleref" title="ESV 1Peter 3:6">1 Peter 3:6</a>;  “&#8230;call your husband lord.”</p>
<p>The above are included in “&#8230;doing what is right&#8230;”</p>
<p>Check off the above and let me know if you truly are a daughter of Sarah.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Anton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas Anton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 05:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charis
re:
“Perhaps you should pray about that Nicholas… I can tell that you would not want to be guilty of wrongly dividing the precious Word of GOD!”
Did you know that “apostle” means “sent one”?
Do you know who the very FIRST post Resurrection apostle is? I’ll give you a hint:
(I know what the word Apostle means and am well aware of John 20.  Nowhere are these women called “apostles”.  Check the Greek.) 

Mat 13:36;  
“Then Jesus SENT the multitude away, and went into the house...”
Did this make the &quot;multitudes&quot; apostles?

By the way, who is misinterpreting Scripture?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charis<br />
re:<br />
“Perhaps you should pray about that Nicholas… I can tell that you would not want to be guilty of wrongly dividing the precious Word of GOD!”<br />
Did you know that “apostle” means “sent one”?<br />
Do you know who the very FIRST post Resurrection apostle is? I’ll give you a hint:<br />
(I know what the word Apostle means and am well aware of <a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=John+20" class="bibleref" title="ESV John 20">John 20</a>.  Nowhere are these women called “apostles”.  Check the Greek.) </p>
<p><a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=Mat+13%3A36" class="bibleref" title="ESV Mat 13:36">Mat 13:36</a>;<br />
“Then Jesus SENT the multitude away, and went into the house&#8230;”<br />
Did this make the &#8220;multitudes&#8221; apostles?</p>
<p>By the way, who is misinterpreting Scripture?</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Anton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas Anton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 05:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charis

re:
“Sarah- GOD’s CHOSEN role model for wives married to DISobedient husbands”
Are you suggesting that this Scripture (1 Peter 3) teaches that Godly women are to be subject to their ungodly husbands, but that this injunction does not apply to Godly husbands?

I find the material you posted by Katherine Bushnell to be essentially revisionist history and revisionist hermeneutics.    It is more “grinding the Sword of the Spirit” to fit her philosophy than using it to teach the Word of God.  
 

to me the entire quote is feminist and anti male (not egalitarian), because she attempts to justify most every sin committed by women by the misdeeds of men.  Her use of history is spurious.  Her logic is seriously flawed.  

E.G.
“SARAH was OBEYING the laws of her land when she offered her maid to Abraham.” 
Bushnell attempts to show that Sarah was simply following the laws of the land (The Code of Hammurabi), which she claims was the product of men.  However, she does not qualify that Abraham was no longer living in Ur, Babylonia.  In fact, though Abraham may have been influenced by it, he was at that time living among the Canaanites and other tribes.  There is no Biblical record that he was living under any nation while in Palestine (Unless Melchisadec is a nation), and, could therefore in fact have been living by his own law or by a law given to him by God (conjecture).

re;
“Deborah was a spiritual and political leader in Israel- anointed and appointed by GOD.”

Though Deborah was a prophetess and wise woman who arbitrated disputes/judged and had a significant influence on Israel, nevertheless I find no Biblical evidence to suggest that she was a spiritual leader in any official sense (she did not have a priestly office nor function and therefore did not offer sacrifices), a political leader (she did not wield political power and authority), or a military leader (she neither had nor led an army, nor carried a sword) in the normal sense of the term.  In fact she was a submissive woman who subjected herself to the leadership of Barak (Jdg 4:).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charis</p>
<p>re:<br />
“Sarah- GOD’s CHOSEN role model for wives married to DISobedient husbands”<br />
Are you suggesting that this Scripture (<a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=1+Peter+3" class="bibleref" title="ESV 1Peter 3">1 Peter 3</a>) teaches that Godly women are to be subject to their ungodly husbands, but that this injunction does not apply to Godly husbands?</p>
<p>I find the material you posted by Katherine Bushnell to be essentially revisionist history and revisionist hermeneutics.    It is more “grinding the Sword of the Spirit” to fit her philosophy than using it to teach the Word of God.  </p>
<p>to me the entire quote is feminist and anti male (not egalitarian), because she attempts to justify most every sin committed by women by the misdeeds of men.  Her use of history is spurious.  Her logic is seriously flawed.  </p>
<p>E.G.<br />
“SARAH was OBEYING the laws of her land when she offered her maid to Abraham.”<br />
Bushnell attempts to show that Sarah was simply following the laws of the land (The Code of Hammurabi), which she claims was the product of men.  However, she does not qualify that Abraham was no longer living in Ur, Babylonia.  In fact, though Abraham may have been influenced by it, he was at that time living among the Canaanites and other tribes.  There is no Biblical record that he was living under any nation while in Palestine (Unless Melchisadec is a nation), and, could therefore in fact have been living by his own law or by a law given to him by God (conjecture).</p>
<p>re;<br />
“Deborah was a spiritual and political leader in Israel- anointed and appointed by GOD.”</p>
<p>Though Deborah was a prophetess and wise woman who arbitrated disputes/judged and had a significant influence on Israel, nevertheless I find no Biblical evidence to suggest that she was a spiritual leader in any official sense (she did not have a priestly office nor function and therefore did not offer sacrifices), a political leader (she did not wield political power and authority), or a military leader (she neither had nor led an army, nor carried a sword) in the normal sense of the term.  In fact she was a submissive woman who subjected herself to the leadership of Barak (<a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=Jdg+4" class="bibleref" title="ESV Jdg 4">Jdg 4</a> <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: Charis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 02:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicholas Said:&lt;i&gt;QUOTE  3) God can, did and does discriminate according to age, gender, race etc. as He pleases.
...

Jesus chose twelve men (not twelve women, nor any women at all) to be His Apostles  Luke 6:13;ENDQUOTE&lt;/i&gt;

Perhaps you should pray about that Nicholas...  I can tell that you would not want to be guilty of wrongly dividing the precious Word of GOD!

Did you know that &quot;apostle&quot; means &quot;sent one&quot;?  
Do you know who the very FIRST post Resurrection apostle is?  I&#039;ll give you a hint: Read John 20.  Jesus tears down dividing walls of hostility, rends the curtain of the Holy of Holies so ALL can enter; and busts right through glass ceilings.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicholas Said:<i>QUOTE  3) God can, did and does discriminate according to age, gender, race etc. as He pleases.<br />
&#8230;</p>
<p>Jesus chose twelve men (not twelve women, nor any women at all) to be His Apostles  <a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=Luke+6%3A13" class="bibleref" title="ESV Luke 6:13">Luke 6:13</a>;ENDQUOTE</i></p>
<p>Perhaps you should pray about that Nicholas&#8230;  I can tell that you would not want to be guilty of wrongly dividing the precious Word of GOD!</p>
<p>Did you know that &#8220;apostle&#8221; means &#8220;sent one&#8221;?<br />
Do you know who the very FIRST post Resurrection apostle is?  I&#8217;ll give you a hint: Read <a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=John+20" class="bibleref" title="ESV John 20">John 20</a>.  Jesus tears down dividing walls of hostility, rends the curtain of the Holy of Holies so ALL can enter; and busts right through glass ceilings.  <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Charis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 00:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicholas said: &lt;i&gt;QUOTEThe dominance of male choices is not accidental but Sovereign. Sara, Rebecca, Rahab and Ruth, though significant, are not heads of families, tribes and nations.ENDQUOTE&lt;/i&gt;

If GOD&#039;S WILL is that women can never be heads of state, then there would not be a single GOD approved exception in Scripture.  Deborah was a spiritual and political leader in Israel- anointed and appointed by GOD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicholas said: <i>QUOTEThe dominance of male choices is not accidental but Sovereign. Sara, Rebecca, Rahab and Ruth, though significant, are not heads of families, tribes and nations.ENDQUOTE</i></p>
<p>If GOD&#8217;S WILL is that women can never be heads of state, then there would not be a single GOD approved exception in Scripture.  Deborah was a spiritual and political leader in Israel- anointed and appointed by GOD.</p>
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		<title>By: Caila Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caila Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 20:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my. I loved this post, but my reaction to these comments is to cry. I cannot say anything that has not already been said, but I confess that in Christ I find equality between all men and women of all races and places. This may not address the authority issue (which I am still trying to understand), but let us never forget that Jesus called us to embrace the heart behind the Law and not legal requirements alone.  Sometimes men and women in these arguments sound like legal professionals, quoting verses to one another, hammering each other with the sins of past men and women. We have all sinned and fall short of the glory of God. The Pharisees came to Christ with specific legal questions, attempting to trick him and he responded with the Heart behind Truth. The real RULE for everything is love. It seems that (maybe) some men are afraid of losing authority and some women are nursing hurt pride at being denied authority. Those are not the proper bases on which to stand when discerning Truth. I hope I haven&#039;t said anything offensive. I really do want to understand God&#039;s purpose for both genders, and follow His way. IMonk, thank you for this post. Thank you for revealing the way many of us cling to rigid rules we THINK are prescribed in God&#039;s Word.  Lord, help us to follow you in Love, surrender to one another in love, and discern the important truths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my. I loved this post, but my reaction to these comments is to cry. I cannot say anything that has not already been said, but I confess that in Christ I find equality between all men and women of all races and places. This may not address the authority issue (which I am still trying to understand), but let us never forget that Jesus called us to embrace the heart behind the Law and not legal requirements alone.  Sometimes men and women in these arguments sound like legal professionals, quoting verses to one another, hammering each other with the sins of past men and women. We have all sinned and fall short of the glory of God. The Pharisees came to Christ with specific legal questions, attempting to trick him and he responded with the Heart behind Truth. The real RULE for everything is love. It seems that (maybe) some men are afraid of losing authority and some women are nursing hurt pride at being denied authority. Those are not the proper bases on which to stand when discerning Truth. I hope I haven&#8217;t said anything offensive. I really do want to understand God&#8217;s purpose for both genders, and follow His way. IMonk, thank you for this post. Thank you for revealing the way many of us cling to rigid rules we THINK are prescribed in God&#8217;s Word.  Lord, help us to follow you in Love, surrender to one another in love, and discern the important truths.</p>
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