Comments on: What Is Jesus Shaped Spirituality? http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/what-is-jesus-shaped-spirituality ...dispatches from the post-evangelical wilderness Sun, 12 Feb 2012 12:47:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Protestantism as the Prodigal Son | Ephemeral Thoughts http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/what-is-jesus-shaped-spirituality/comment-page-1#comment-490368 Protestantism as the Prodigal Son | Ephemeral Thoughts Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:50:14 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=2851#comment-490368 [...] really liked this analogy presented by Surfnetter on iMonk’s blog. It made me think. I like it when things make me think. It occurs to me that Protestantism is like [...] [...] really liked this analogy presented by Surfnetter on iMonk’s blog. It made me think. I like it when things make me think. It occurs to me that Protestantism is like [...]

]]> By: barb http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/what-is-jesus-shaped-spirituality/comment-page-1#comment-462232 barb Fri, 22 May 2009 20:26:17 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=2851#comment-462232 paul wrote that existentialism was valued and preached up to a point, then we're in wing and a prayer country. I too had unrealistic expectations of the church and its sacramental approach it seems that this has become set in concrete mainly because it worked for a time 2000+ yrs but is it valid for today we have to go back to the grassroots, find out what the basis is, seems to me that the keystone has been rejected once again nothing new and has become very head orientated. paul wrote that existentialism was valued and preached up to a point, then we’re in wing and a prayer country. I too had unrealistic expectations of the church and its sacramental approach it seems that this has become set in concrete mainly because it worked for a time 2000+ yrs but is it valid for today we have to go back to the grassroots, find out what the basis is, seems to me that the keystone has been rejected once again nothing new and has become very head orientated.

]]> By: Boaz Ralston http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/what-is-jesus-shaped-spirituality/comment-page-1#comment-387911 Boaz Ralston Wed, 04 Mar 2009 07:14:42 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=2851#comment-387911 You are describing Lutheranism. I think this was close to Luther's definition of sacrament: "all sacraments are visible, actual participations in Jesus as salvation." In other words, sacraments are the means by which we receive his grace. His physical body and blood, and the water of baptism. I know you don't like closed communion, but half of LCMS doesn't practice it, and neither do smaller synods, like AALC. You are describing Lutheranism.

I think this was close to Luther’s definition of sacrament: “all sacraments are visible, actual participations in Jesus as salvation.”

In other words, sacraments are the means by which we receive his grace. His physical body and blood, and the water of baptism.

I know you don’t like closed communion, but half of LCMS doesn’t practice it, and neither do smaller synods, like AALC.

]]> By: greg r http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/what-is-jesus-shaped-spirituality/comment-page-1#comment-383533 greg r Fri, 27 Feb 2009 21:58:54 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=2851#comment-383533 imonk: you wrote Let it suffice for me to say that I believe the Holy Spirit can direct people, movements, events or institutions as he wishes. But Jesus is not an institution, and by relating to an institution, one does not relate automatically to God. that expresses a very nuanced truth very elegantly very well said....wish I'd said it first..... I've been following your web site now for about 3 months, and my church homies are probably praying daily that I not pester them about "imonk this" and "imonk that" Fortunately, I'm a crummy listener :-) GREG R imonk: you wrote

Let it suffice for me to say that I believe the Holy Spirit can direct people, movements, events or institutions as he wishes. But Jesus is not an institution, and by relating to an institution, one does not relate automatically to God.

that expresses a very nuanced truth very elegantly
very well said….wish I’d said it first…..

I’ve been following your web site now for about 3 months, and my church homies are probably praying daily that I not pester them about “imonk this” and “imonk that”

Fortunately, I’m a crummy listener
:-) GREG R

]]> By: Surfnetter http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/what-is-jesus-shaped-spirituality/comment-page-1#comment-382581 Surfnetter Thu, 26 Feb 2009 23:55:24 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=2851#comment-382581 Except for the times of schism, the leadership role that the Bishop of Rome had over the entire Body of Christ in the world was continuous until the 17th Century. Since then the Papacy has been modified a bit more to the preferences of the likes of Luther, Calvin and even you, im, don't you think ...? Except for the times of schism, the leadership role that the Bishop of Rome had over the entire Body of Christ in the world was continuous until the 17th Century. Since then the Papacy has been modified a bit more to the preferences of the likes of Luther, Calvin and even you, im, don’t you think …?

]]> By: Surfnetter http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/what-is-jesus-shaped-spirituality/comment-page-1#comment-382561 Surfnetter Thu, 26 Feb 2009 23:37:02 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=2851#comment-382561 Yeah, im -- Peter walked around in a fish hat and wherever he went dozens of colorfully dressed Bishops followed him around, bowing and kissing his ring whenever they addressed him. Peter didn't wear a suit and a tie either -- and I don't think he was a Republican. Yeah, im — Peter walked around in a fish hat and wherever he went dozens of colorfully dressed Bishops followed him around, bowing and kissing his ring whenever they addressed him.

Peter didn’t wear a suit and a tie either — and I don’t think he was a Republican.

]]> By: iMonk http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/what-is-jesus-shaped-spirituality/comment-page-1#comment-382454 iMonk Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:15:53 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=2851#comment-382454 Surfnetter: If you have decided to tell us that the modern papacy was there from the beginning, I'm going to call an ambulance. Not Peter as head of the apostles, but the modern papacy. ms Surfnetter:

If you have decided to tell us that the modern papacy was there from the beginning, I’m going to call an ambulance.

Not Peter as head of the apostles, but the modern papacy.

ms

]]> By: Headless Unicorn Guy http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/what-is-jesus-shaped-spirituality/comment-page-1#comment-382337 Headless Unicorn Guy Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:49:08 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=2851#comment-382337 <i>Friscosan — I hope you don’t mind if I duck when you let loose with your “cannon” law...</i> -- Surfnetter Did enough of that kind of law back in the 17th Century. And it's also the title of a new Eric Flint time-travel novel set in that period. Friscosan — I hope you don’t mind if I duck when you let loose with your “cannon” law… — Surfnetter

Did enough of that kind of law back in the 17th Century. And it’s also the title of a new Eric Flint time-travel novel set in that period.

]]> By: Surfnetter http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/what-is-jesus-shaped-spirituality/comment-page-1#comment-382140 Surfnetter Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:23:14 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=2851#comment-382140 My point being -- there has to be some structure. It is an corporate organization in the physical world as well as an "invisible" spiritual entity. The structure of the Catholic Church goes back in Apostolic succession to Peter who was the first CEO. It has come to be called the Papacy. What's your point ...? My point being — there has to be some structure. It is an corporate organization in the physical world as well as an “invisible” spiritual entity. The structure of the Catholic Church goes back in Apostolic succession to Peter who was the first CEO.

It has come to be called the Papacy.

What’s your point …?

]]> By: Memphis Aggie http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/what-is-jesus-shaped-spirituality/comment-page-1#comment-382125 Memphis Aggie Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:05:35 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=2851#comment-382125 We may be unified by faith in Christ but our divisions are real and they are not over trivial matters at all. Our differences with respect to faith , scripture, tradition and the real presence have enormous consequences in how we observe and practice our faith. While I understand the impulse to minimize them to make peace, the reality is that these are substantive differences that all Christians must wrestle with. The Real Presence might mean little to you, but to me it's central. Likewise I don't find scripture alone to be sufficient, but others will definitely disagree. The beauty of this site is that here we can examine the reasons for our disagreements civilly. If it becomes yet another closed circle of affirmation, I 'll loose interest. We may be unified by faith in Christ but our divisions are real and they are not over trivial matters at all. Our differences with respect to faith , scripture, tradition and the real presence have enormous consequences in how we observe and practice our faith. While I understand the impulse to minimize them to make peace, the reality is that these are substantive differences that all Christians must wrestle with. The Real Presence might mean little to you, but to me it’s central. Likewise I don’t find scripture alone to be sufficient, but others will definitely disagree.

The beauty of this site is that here we can examine the reasons for our disagreements civilly. If it becomes yet another closed circle of affirmation, I ‘ll loose interest.

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