Comments on: What Have I Learned From Living In Community? (Part 1)

By: iMonk

iMonk — Tue, 03 Mar 2009 20:14:06 +0000

I was actually kidding about the letter from Luther.

If anyone has anything to say in this thread that is substantial, please write me at michaelATinternetmonk.com and I’ll open the comments back up for you.

By: Surfnetter

Surfnetter — Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:57:55 +0000

Im — So Luther is self confirming, too — along with the Bible confirming that it — and only it — is the entirety of the revealed truth.

And so Pepsi IS the real thing and we ARE in good hands with Allstate — I guess.

By: Flatrocker

Flatrocker — Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:47:06 +0000

You can learn so much here at planet imonk.

I didn’t know there was such a thing as Luther’s Gospel. Strange, I thought there were only four.

By: Flatrocker

Flatrocker — Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:34:00 +0000

Interesting, there’s a note from Leo as well….

Little Marty is to report along with Leo to detention hall. Something about there being hell to pay for all the trouble they each have caused.

They both should bring plenty of chalk.

By: Surfnetter

Surfnetter — Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:23:40 +0000

Who doesn’t believe that symbols become real through faith …? Words are just symbols, you know ….

And you are looking at the Marian issue through a Protestant fundamentalist microscope. A keyhole looks like the Grand Canyon from there.

By: Ky boy but not now

Ky boy but not now — Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:18:15 +0000

“Everyone agrees that Mary was a special figure â€” the difference there is a matter of degree.”

But it’s a fairly big degree. I somewhat feel you’d call the Grand Canyon a big ditch.

“At the Communion table it is one of timing â€” Does it become the Body and Blood of Christ before or after the faithful communicant eats it?”

Uh, no. Again a lot of us don’t think either of the choices you give are correct.

The Tiber is fairly wide from where I and a lot of faithful others sit.

By: Surfnetter

Surfnetter — Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:08:40 +0000

Im — The people you have an argument with died centuries ago. Most the problems between the “two Houses” of Christianity are political rather than theological. Everyone agrees that Mary was a special figure — the difference there is a matter of degree. At the Communion table it is one of timing — Does it become the Body and Blood of Christ before or after the faithful communicant eats it?

The reason the Mageisterium has not invited your House to our table (and forbids us from dining at yours) is not because of anything you do or do not believe about the Gospel — it’s what Luther and others said about us and have refused to take back.

By: iMonk

iMonk — Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:47:12 +0000

To say I somehow indicated I think we are saved by Luther is….well…..words fail.

Saved by Luther’s Gospel….yes. Big time.

Luther was personally anathematized by the church and never repented of his teachings and beliefs. If Catholics believe anyone is in hell, surely it’s an unrepentant personally anathematized “boar.”

I can’t agree with the RCC on Luther’s condemnation and excommunication because I agree wholeheartedly with Luther’s Gospel.

By: Surfnetter

Surfnetter — Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:05:27 +0000

Martha – Can’t we at least put Luther in jail …?

By: Martha

Martha — Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:00:44 +0000

By the foregoing, I mean if one’s visceral reaction is “He can’t be in Hell!” Why? “Because he was right! and if he’s in hell, what does that mean for me, who follow him?”, then might I remind one and all -

- we are not saved by Luther, Benedict XVI, or even Pastor Bob, we are saved by Christ.