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	<title>Comments on: What Could Southern Baptists (and other evangelicals) do to promote Spiritual Formation?</title>
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		<title>By: Adrianna Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrianna Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I humbly suggest that Southern Baptists could also be informed by some of the Formatio titles published by InterVarsity Press. Formatio is an imprint focused on spiritual formation, and some of the titles so far include The Attentive Life by Leighton Ford, Journaling as a Spiritual Practice, and Signature Sins by Michael Mangis. Granted I&#039;m partial to the line, but they&#039;re really solid books! End plug.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I humbly suggest that Southern Baptists could also be informed by some of the Formatio titles published by InterVarsity Press. Formatio is an imprint focused on spiritual formation, and some of the titles so far include The Attentive Life by Leighton Ford, Journaling as a Spiritual Practice, and Signature Sins by Michael Mangis. Granted I&#8217;m partial to the line, but they&#8217;re really solid books! End plug.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Lake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Lake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 23:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great list, Michael.  They are all very good ideas, and 3, 4, 6, and 8, are pure gold, especially considering the weakness of so many SBC churches in these areas.  

One thing that greatly irks me about many Southern Baptists is their unwillingness to learn from *anything* other than the most recent, often shallow SBC materials and from &quot;Christian psychology&quot; (James Dobson and such).  Forget anything that is Baptist from the 19th or early 20th centuries.  The Abstract of Principles?  The London or New Hampshire Confessions?  What are those?  (I know that these are systematic theology documents-- I&#039;m just making a point about the ignorance and apathy of many Southern Baptists about their own theological history.)  

*Definitely* don&#039;t bring up anything from Lutherans, Anglicans (other than C.S. Lewis), Presbyterians, Methodists, charismatics of *any* stripe, and even the Catholics that some Protestants like (such as Augustine)!  Anyway, I&#039;m ranting now, so I&#039;ll stop.  I love my brothers and sisters in the Southern Baptist family.  I&#039;m one of them!  Some of them frustrate me, but I do love them.  I&#039;m sure that I frustrate them too, being &quot;Reformed&quot; and all. :-)  (What would Charles Spurgeon or William Carey say about that, hehe?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great list, Michael.  They are all very good ideas, and 3, 4, 6, and 8, are pure gold, especially considering the weakness of so many SBC churches in these areas.  </p>
<p>One thing that greatly irks me about many Southern Baptists is their unwillingness to learn from *anything* other than the most recent, often shallow SBC materials and from &#8220;Christian psychology&#8221; (James Dobson and such).  Forget anything that is Baptist from the 19th or early 20th centuries.  The Abstract of Principles?  The London or New Hampshire Confessions?  What are those?  (I know that these are systematic theology documents&#8211; I&#8217;m just making a point about the ignorance and apathy of many Southern Baptists about their own theological history.)  </p>
<p>*Definitely* don&#8217;t bring up anything from Lutherans, Anglicans (other than C.S. Lewis), Presbyterians, Methodists, charismatics of *any* stripe, and even the Catholics that some Protestants like (such as Augustine)!  Anyway, I&#8217;m ranting now, so I&#8217;ll stop.  I love my brothers and sisters in the Southern Baptist family.  I&#8217;m one of them!  Some of them frustrate me, but I do love them.  I&#8217;m sure that I frustrate them too, being &#8220;Reformed&#8221; and all. <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   (What would Charles Spurgeon or William Carey say about that, hehe?)</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 20:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Iâ€™m sensing a hunger for spiritual formation in my congregation, but itâ€™s exhibiting itself in the usual SBC speak about the â€œbasicsâ€ of our faith and â€œBible study.â€ We donâ€™t know the language of spiritual formation.&lt;/i&gt;

John&#039;s comment is along the same lines that I was thinking. It seems to me that there has to be some ground work done so that people can understand what spiritual formation actually is. And that goes for me as well. I think I can tell you what it&#039;s not. It&#039;s not going through &quot;Experiencing God&quot; again. Or having early morning &quot;quiet time&quot;(the earlier the better). Or going to the next PK event. But can I cogently state what spiritual formation &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt;? I&#039;m not sure that I could. (My pastor seems to think that his preaching should be our primary source of spiritual formation but I have to respectfully disagree)

Once the &quot;language&quot; is taught and maybe a few paradigms(I know, overused word) shifted then maybe some actual practice can take place. 

Maybe I&#039;m making this harder than it is. If so, then help me out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Iâ€™m sensing a hunger for spiritual formation in my congregation, but itâ€™s exhibiting itself in the usual SBC speak about the â€œbasicsâ€ of our faith and â€œBible study.â€ We donâ€™t know the language of spiritual formation.</i></p>
<p>John&#8217;s comment is along the same lines that I was thinking. It seems to me that there has to be some ground work done so that people can understand what spiritual formation actually is. And that goes for me as well. I think I can tell you what it&#8217;s not. It&#8217;s not going through &#8220;Experiencing God&#8221; again. Or having early morning &#8220;quiet time&#8221;(the earlier the better). Or going to the next PK event. But can I cogently state what spiritual formation <i>is</i>? I&#8217;m not sure that I could. (My pastor seems to think that his preaching should be our primary source of spiritual formation but I have to respectfully disagree)</p>
<p>Once the &#8220;language&#8221; is taught and maybe a few paradigms(I know, overused word) shifted then maybe some actual practice can take place. </p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m making this harder than it is. If so, then help me out.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To anyone studying the Psalms, may I recommend a book that I am currently reading.  It&#039;s the &quot;Book of Psalms&quot; by Robert Alter.

He is a scholar in Biblical Hebrew, and is a good writer as well.  I like the fact that his commentary is under his translation of the Psalm.  Makes for fascinating reading and meditating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To anyone studying the Psalms, may I recommend a book that I am currently reading.  It&#8217;s the &#8220;Book of Psalms&#8221; by Robert Alter.</p>
<p>He is a scholar in Biblical Hebrew, and is a good writer as well.  I like the fact that his commentary is under his translation of the Psalm.  Makes for fascinating reading and meditating.</p>
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		<title>By: Outbackbrazil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Outbackbrazil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Willard and Whitney&#039;s books have really ministered to me personally. Having grown up a Baptist (not SBC) and being a Baptist missionary since 1980 I only began to hear about the spiritual disciplines about 15 years ago. I wonder where I was all this time, or why those who ministered to me didn&#039;t know how to convey the ideas.  There was a big emphasis on having a &quot;quiet time&quot; daily when I was a teenager.  Now in our Brazilian church we seem to be constantly trying to get people to understand the importance of spiritual formation, and yes we too struggle to find good materials...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Willard and Whitney&#8217;s books have really ministered to me personally. Having grown up a Baptist (not SBC) and being a Baptist missionary since 1980 I only began to hear about the spiritual disciplines about 15 years ago. I wonder where I was all this time, or why those who ministered to me didn&#8217;t know how to convey the ideas.  There was a big emphasis on having a &#8220;quiet time&#8221; daily when I was a teenager.  Now in our Brazilian church we seem to be constantly trying to get people to understand the importance of spiritual formation, and yes we too struggle to find good materials&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 16:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael:

I think I see what mean about Whitney. I find him to be much milder and more accessible than the Puritans on the subject of assurance, however, and more biblically-centered than the typical SBC counsel.

Whitney aside, my original intent was to stress that until some of the leaders in the SBC step up to say that our practice (and theology) of assurance (and &quot;rededication&quot;) must be challenged, or at least discussed openly, we will have difficulty ever seriously approaching spir formation. Why? Because assur/red. become the automatic,two-headed answer to any and all barriers to growth: If spir. growth (&quot;formation is not usually used)is not happening, then a person is either not saved or needs to rededicate. I know I am painting with a broad brush, but I do see this as a very pervasive culture in our SBC churches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael:</p>
<p>I think I see what mean about Whitney. I find him to be much milder and more accessible than the Puritans on the subject of assurance, however, and more biblically-centered than the typical SBC counsel.</p>
<p>Whitney aside, my original intent was to stress that until some of the leaders in the SBC step up to say that our practice (and theology) of assurance (and &#8220;rededication&#8221;) must be challenged, or at least discussed openly, we will have difficulty ever seriously approaching spir formation. Why? Because assur/red. become the automatic,two-headed answer to any and all barriers to growth: If spir. growth (&#8220;formation is not usually used)is not happening, then a person is either not saved or needs to rededicate. I know I am painting with a broad brush, but I do see this as a very pervasive culture in our SBC churches.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana Ames</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana Ames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know what churches Dallas Willard has belonged to all his life, but for a number of years he has been attending my old Vineyard church in the LA area.  I&#039;ve been able to shake his hand and tell him how much I appreciate &quot;Divine Conspiracy&quot; when we have stopped back to visit.

Dana</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know what churches Dallas Willard has belonged to all his life, but for a number of years he has been attending my old Vineyard church in the LA area.  I&#8217;ve been able to shake his hand and tell him how much I appreciate &#8220;Divine Conspiracy&#8221; when we have stopped back to visit.</p>
<p>Dana</p>
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		<title>By: Junior</title>
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		<dc:creator>Junior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a former Southern Baptist pastor (20+ years) turned Anglican, I believe a good place to start preparation for spiritual formation is by celebrating the Lord&#039;s Supper every Sunday as a congregation.  Word and sacrament every Lord&#039;s day will go a long way in changing the focus, or perhaps I should say, causing the whole congregation to think differntly about worship.  Preaching God&#039;s word and then feeding on Christ (however you want to interpret that) will, over time, begin to form God&#039;s people in ways that may surprise you.

I think this would go a long way in preparing the people to be more receptive to other methods of spiritual formation.  It&#039;s a big first step, but a significant one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a former Southern Baptist pastor (20+ years) turned Anglican, I believe a good place to start preparation for spiritual formation is by celebrating the Lord&#8217;s Supper every Sunday as a congregation.  Word and sacrament every Lord&#8217;s day will go a long way in changing the focus, or perhaps I should say, causing the whole congregation to think differntly about worship.  Preaching God&#8217;s word and then feeding on Christ (however you want to interpret that) will, over time, begin to form God&#8217;s people in ways that may surprise you.</p>
<p>I think this would go a long way in preparing the people to be more receptive to other methods of spiritual formation.  It&#8217;s a big first step, but a significant one.</p>
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		<title>By: iMonk</title>
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		<dc:creator>iMonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everything we do to form ourselves as disciples is spiritual formation. Maybe not GOOD formation, but formation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everything we do to form ourselves as disciples is spiritual formation. Maybe not GOOD formation, but formation.</p>
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		<title>By: Pastor M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pastor M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess this means that a Beth Moore study doesn&#039;t qualify as spiritual formation, although I must add that a woman in our congregation did have a significant spiritual experience/calling during one session, thus proving to me that God really does act in mysterious ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess this means that a Beth Moore study doesn&#8217;t qualify as spiritual formation, although I must add that a woman in our congregation did have a significant spiritual experience/calling during one session, thus proving to me that God really does act in mysterious ways.</p>
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