Comments on: Voddie Baucham: Why Gov. Palin Should Be At Home

By: Eddie Buchanan

Eddie Buchanan — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:12:59 +0000

“And where I live, domestic violence in “Christian” families is common.

I’ve been in law enforcement for over 15 years and I can tell you that so called domestic violence should be called shack-up violence. I rarely see abuse of wives by their husbands. What I do see every day is a drunk woman and her drunk boyfriend, neither of whom are real Christians, assaulting each other over the last beer or marijuana cigeratte. I don’t think I’ve ever even heard of a married church going couple engaging in phyiscal violence.

By: Christopher Lake

Christopher Lake — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:14:57 +0000

To the subject at hand, I’m thinking through this issue and am honestly undecided.

Dave R,

I see your point about Charlie Ray. I’m currently interacting with him, and it is an experience! As a Reformed Christian, I’m more concerned with taking Reformed theology to its *Biblical* conclusion than to its humanly “logical” one. For largely that reason, it seems, I have encountered quite a bit of grief from Charlie, including being called a liar and a heretic (on separate issues)!

By: Dawn Hapeman

Dawn Hapeman — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:14:56 +0000

So consistency is now a marker by which we make a judgment as to whether the preacher/pastor is correct or right as to his teachings about God to his congregation and congregation at large. This is just another veil shrouding people’s vision. God’s word says that even some of those who believe will be fooled. We, as a people, are seduced time and time again by the teachings and traditions of men. Jesus hates the traditions of men by which we would completely brush aside the truth of His Word for the sake of our traditions, for the sake of the teachings of men. If anyone is teaching and speaking based on their own ideas of what is right or wrong, then let them say so, let them disclose that to the people, but do not lay that same idea as being right or wrong on the shoulders of God. Dawn Hapeman, wife of a Pastor.

By: willoh

willoh — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:19:50 +0000

For years I recommended engaged couples to listen to a series of Voddie Baucham sermons before I would counsel them. I must learn to stick to scripture! Every time I recommend an earthly source that source goes on to say something I regret. Oops, I did it again!

By: willoh

willoh — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:14:15 +0000

Two things
One Sarah is a Christian, and as such I expect the Holy Spirit to guide her on flying, running for office, life, ect.
Two.Is my edition of the bible the only one with Proverbs 31 in it? How can you read about this golden ideal of a business woman and preach stay at home mom?

By: Mike

Mike — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:44:45 +0000

I searched the CBMW site and found three articles on their blog by David Kotter on the subject, “Does Sarah Palin Present a Dilemma for Complementarians?” (http://www.cbmw.org/Blog/Posts/Does-Governor-Sarah-Palin-Present-a-Dilemma-for-Complementarians). After a lot of tortured logic about the differences between the home and church on the one hand and public service on the other hand, he comes to this as his bottom line: “Whether or not it is wise to run for public office in this situation is a question for Sarah Palin, her husband, and her pastor before God.” Well, well. Sounds like in this sphere of life, we’re being called upon to seek Biblical wisdom and not to invoke external forms as the appropriate answer. If only he could see that Scripture teaches the same with regard to the specifics of the husband-wife relationship and their roles.

By: Brian L

Brian L — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:13:30 +0000

For what its worth…I am a firm complementarian – I think Scripture is clear regarding gender role distinctions in the family.

Still, I view Baucham’s views as eisegetically moving beyond what the Scriptures themselves say. I do not think that Baucham is the “logical conclusion” to a complementarian understanding. The Council for Biblical Manhood and Womanhood (CMBW), arguably the vanguard of the current complementarian movement, is very cautious about not going where Baucham has gone.

Not that there aren’t excesses – but I would guess that many orthodox egalitarians don’t want to be defined by Rev. Chuck Currie anymore than many complementarians want to be known by Baucham.

Comments like “From a complementarian worldview, Baucham is quite correct” strike me as examples of defining a position without understanding how an adherent would define his own position – on the order of “Obama is nothing but a baby-killer” or “McCain is a bloodthirsty warmonger.” It adds nothing to the discussion.

By: Caila Murphy

Caila Murphy — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:12:53 +0000

Oh. Haha. I’ve been reading your blog for awhile now, I should have known… .

By: iMonk

iMonk — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:51:00 +0000

Caila: Those who like those kinds of arguments would be impressed. I’m not. My tongue was planted firmly in my cheek.

By: Caila

Caila — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:41:29 +0000

I am confused as to why you think VB’s case is impressive? Much of this is outdated anyway. Palin doesn’t have 5 children at home–one is now off fighting as a soldier and one is about ready to get married, which leaves at most only 3. Not that I think this is a small matter. I’m a mom and I can’t FATHOM becoming VP of the United States with small children–but I sure as heck am happy someone will do it for me. “There is a tide in the affairs of men which taken at the flood, leads on to fortune, omitted all the voyage of their life is bound in shallows and in miseries…and we must take the current when it serves or lose our ventures (Shakespeare).” We’ve come to a time in this country when the overall culture will not respect, or heed, the woman’s role at home. We will eventually have a women in the White House, whether it’s Palin, Clinton or someone else and I would rather have Palin. Sometimes, the stakes are high enough to require personal sacrifice. If our families are to be continually bombarded by anti-family legislation, I would rather have an advocate as my Vice President. Many men have made similar sacrifices in their personal family lives because of the importance of national affairs. Take, for example, John Adams, most influential member of the original Continental Congress, delegate to France, Holland and England, and 2nd President of the United States. He made massive sacrifices and was away from his family for most of 17 years. It was tragically difficult on his family, but they all supported the importance of his role in the birth of their new nation. He fought for good things and was a godly Christian man. My argument is NOT that women are the same as men, but that our current times may call upon some women to make the sacrifices men have made in the past. It’s not the best thing for one family, but it may support the efforts of thousands more.