Comments on: Thoughts At 8 a.m. Mass

By: Headless Unicorn Guy

Headless Unicorn Guy — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:45:12 +0000

And also, when all you’ve known is “Low Church” vernacular Masses (I’m not even gonna go to the weirder one-offs like Clown Furneral Masses & Liturgical Dancers), Tridentine High Mass (as “High Church” as you can get) is going to be DIFFERENT and EXOTIC.

By: dumb ox

dumb ox — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 02:49:59 +0000

Late comment, but I just saw this Christianity Today article regarding liturgy called “A Deeper Relevance”:

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2008/may/36.38.html?start=2

Two significant quotes related to this post:

“Few churches that consciously seek relevance want to clear the way to church for the poor, the homeless, welfare moms, drug-addicted men, or those trapped in nursing homes and convalescent hospitals. These ‘target audiences’ are not very relevant to many “casual, contemporary” churches.”

“This is one reason I thank God for the liturgy. The liturgy does not target any age or cultural subgroup. It does not even target this century. (It does not imagine, as we moderns and postmoderns are tempted to do, that this is the best of all possible ages, the most significant era of history.) Instead, the liturgy draws us into worship that transcends our time and place. Its earliest forms took shape in ancient Israel, and its subsequent development occurred in a variety of cultures and subcultures—Greco-Roman, North African, German, Frankish, Anglo-Saxon, and so on. It has been prayed meaningfully by bakers, housewives, tailors, teachers, philosophers, priests, monks, kings, and slaves. As such, it has not been shaped to meet a particular group’s needs. It seeks only to enable people—people in general—to see God.”

By: Giovanni

Giovanni — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 02:27:41 +0000

Yeah the Bishops are a lot more touchy, feely than what I would like them to be now a days.

I wish they would bring back public excommunications and use that God given power but I guess those days are long gone at least for now.

By: Giovanni

Giovanni — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 02:25:15 +0000

I would guess the Western Rite Orthodox would be very much like the Tridentine Mass and that the Eastern Catholic a lot like the Orthodox Divine Liturgy with a few exceptions.

Father Ernesto would know better I believe.

By: Giovanni

Giovanni — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 02:22:51 +0000

Well there are Traditions and then there are traditions.

One is a must and other is simply proper to do. The current Mass is rich on the Traditions but lacks on the traditions of course that is by design which is another reason why most Trads do not like the Novus Ordo.

Yet at the same time the NO is prob as close as we can come to the very, very early Christian Church style of worship. It is nice to look at as somebody may look at a Model T. However I would not want to own one or depend on one now a days to get to work. Putting the mighty Oak tree back in to the seed seems kind of odd. That is the main reason I am not big on the Novus Ordo it just seems odd, it always has even when I did not know there was anything before it.

By: Giovanni

Giovanni — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 02:12:49 +0000

It is sad to realize the things we have lost since the VII Council. The funny thing is that many of the changes were done so as to not have “stumbling blocks” for Protestants.

Shouldn’t surprise anyone the popularity of the Tridentine Mass as it is for the most a youth movement. It is the orders within the Church that are attached to the traditional liturgy that have grown the most both in Religious orders and clerical.

By: Sam Urfer

Sam Urfer — Tue, 06 Oct 2009 22:16:37 +0000

In other words: not trying to kill the messenger, just pointing out the message is wrong.

By: Sam Urfer

Sam Urfer — Tue, 06 Oct 2009 22:16:01 +0000

So, does the fact that there are liberal nuns who misread the Bible discredit the reading of the Bible?

By: martha

martha — Tue, 06 Oct 2009 02:13:12 +0000

I also taught with feminist/lesbian Ursulines, who did not want the Lord’s Prayer (I know, I know Pater Noster) to be said over the PA for morning devotions. I can’t stand nuns anymore because of these feminist sensibilities. I don’t care how many great ones anyone knows. I went through Catholic school at the tail end of Vatican II and I can’t stand the HIPPIEFIED religious.

By: martha

martha — Tue, 06 Oct 2009 02:10:25 +0000

Hey- don’t kill the messenger — I went to school with feminist/lesbian Sisters of Mercy. They were ALL Marianists. The feminine side of God. It’s a heresy to the core. Goes way beyond “dulia” and “hyperdulia.” My dad felt squishy about Mary and the Saints because he’d been taught that by sentimental Irish priests and nuns.