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	<title>Comments on: The Vilesidious Lectures: Advanced Tactics For Apostasy</title>
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		<title>By: Seminary Nerd&#8217;s Links of the Week &#8211; 10/23/09 &#124; Rethink Mission</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-vilesidious-lectures-advanced-tactics-for-apostasy/comment-page-1#comment-516364</link>
		<dc:creator>Seminary Nerd&#8217;s Links of the Week &#8211; 10/23/09 &#124; Rethink Mission</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Screwtape, Meet Vilesidious Those who have been following these links of the week (if anybody has been. . . Hello, anyone there?) know that I am a big fan of both the Internet Monk as well as C.S. Lewis. This is the best of both worlds. The topic: Christians and Apostasy. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Screwtape, Meet Vilesidious Those who have been following these links of the week (if anybody has been. . . Hello, anyone there?) know that I am a big fan of both the Internet Monk as well as C.S. Lewis. This is the best of both worlds. The topic: Christians and Apostasy. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sausage &#171; City of God</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-vilesidious-lectures-advanced-tactics-for-apostasy/comment-page-1#comment-515202</link>
		<dc:creator>Sausage &#171; City of God</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Lastly: What apologetics can&#8217;t do for the faith. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Lastly: What apologetics can&#8217;t do for the faith. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*There is no God. Just enjoy your life . . .It doesn’t answer the quest for truth. It is no foundation for life. It’s utterly inadequate...*

What the heck is the &quot;quest for truth&quot;?

And also, why is &quot;just enjoy your life&quot; considered &#039;no foundation for life&#039; or &#039;it&#039;s utterly inadequate&#039;. Yeah, I&#039;m sure that if you read enough philosophy then everything does indeed start to look very fraught and horrible and our lives seem like hollow, whistling shells for which there is no balm in Gilead.

But meanwhile, the other 90% of us are down the corner listening to music and drinking beer and bouncing our children on our knees. And yeah there are books, but better Shakespeare and Harry Potter and Basho than than those sad German guys, Nietzsche and Luther.

There has never, in all the life of Man, ever been a more robust, fun, serviceable philosophy than Cheerful Nihilism. It&#039;s a philosophy that actually *does* stand a chance of relieving you of &quot;a moment&#039;s toothache.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*There is no God. Just enjoy your life . . .It doesn’t answer the quest for truth. It is no foundation for life. It’s utterly inadequate&#8230;*</p>
<p>What the heck is the &#8220;quest for truth&#8221;?</p>
<p>And also, why is &#8220;just enjoy your life&#8221; considered &#8216;no foundation for life&#8217; or &#8216;it&#8217;s utterly inadequate&#8217;. Yeah, I&#8217;m sure that if you read enough philosophy then everything does indeed start to look very fraught and horrible and our lives seem like hollow, whistling shells for which there is no balm in Gilead.</p>
<p>But meanwhile, the other 90% of us are down the corner listening to music and drinking beer and bouncing our children on our knees. And yeah there are books, but better Shakespeare and Harry Potter and Basho than than those sad German guys, Nietzsche and Luther.</p>
<p>There has never, in all the life of Man, ever been a more robust, fun, serviceable philosophy than Cheerful Nihilism. It&#8217;s a philosophy that actually *does* stand a chance of relieving you of &#8220;a moment&#8217;s toothache.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ed J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too short!

So part of what I take away is this: (1) It is not wrong to engage with intellectual doubts, but it is wrong to do so without intellectual honesty and without humility. And (2) often the most severe challenges to faith are not intellectual, but emotional and relational and sensual, and the corrective (or preventative) to these challenges is an honest and humble flesh-and-blood relationship with Jesus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too short!</p>
<p>So part of what I take away is this: (1) It is not wrong to engage with intellectual doubts, but it is wrong to do so without intellectual honesty and without humility. And (2) often the most severe challenges to faith are not intellectual, but emotional and relational and sensual, and the corrective (or preventative) to these challenges is an honest and humble flesh-and-blood relationship with Jesus.</p>
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		<title>By: iMonk</title>
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		<dc:creator>iMonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 03:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The New Atheists- Dawkins, Harris, Dennet, Hitchens- have a common belief that religion itself is destructive to human life, is abusive to children, and should be opposed on the grounds that it amounts to a mental illness in human culture. They make no differentiation between Mohamed with a sword and Jesus on the cross. All must be opposed. Dawkins, whom I&#039;ve read more than the others, denies that there is any logical cohesion between atheist regimes and violence, but insists that there is a logical connection betyween all religions and violence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The New Atheists- Dawkins, Harris, Dennet, Hitchens- have a common belief that religion itself is destructive to human life, is abusive to children, and should be opposed on the grounds that it amounts to a mental illness in human culture. They make no differentiation between Mohamed with a sword and Jesus on the cross. All must be opposed. Dawkins, whom I&#8217;ve read more than the others, denies that there is any logical cohesion between atheist regimes and violence, but insists that there is a logical connection betyween all religions and violence.</p>
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		<title>By: tildeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>tildeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 03:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No. But it&#039;s a pretty safe probability based that it&#039;s true enough from 100% of atheists I have come to know. I must leave enough wiggle room for those with whom I have not, so I say vast majority. Atheism is all about doubting religious truth claims, so I think it&#039;s a pretty safe bet by definition alone. 

But now compare: can you say the same about all the religious people you know, that each and every one has little reticence doubting the truth claims of his or her religious convictions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. But it&#8217;s a pretty safe probability based that it&#8217;s true enough from 100% of atheists I have come to know. I must leave enough wiggle room for those with whom I have not, so I say vast majority. Atheism is all about doubting religious truth claims, so I think it&#8217;s a pretty safe bet by definition alone. </p>
<p>But now compare: can you say the same about all the religious people you know, that each and every one has little reticence doubting the truth claims of his or her religious convictions?</p>
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		<title>By: tildeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>tildeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 02:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if you&#039;re asking an honest question hoping for an honest answer but what the &#039;new&#039; atheists write about, Jenny, is that religion should be accessible to inquiry about its truth claims and that whatever informs those reasons need to undergo critical review in an open and honest manner. That effrontery raises a lot of hackles from those who think that faith must be grounded first in belief and then followed by exploration of why that belief is true. Such an exploration usually relies on the various holy texts. These atheist authors tackle this issue head on and spend many pages exposing obvious discrepancies and conflicting documentation from the various holy texts about what is true.
 
Their writings are clear, concise, and to the point, and should give the honest reader at the very least cause to reflect. Of course, it&#039;s much easier to criticize what you may not have read because content and context go hand in hand. They are not loud, strident, militant, nor arrogant; if nothing else, these authors are honest and consistent even if you disagree with their assessments. They do offer their reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if you&#8217;re asking an honest question hoping for an honest answer but what the &#8216;new&#8217; atheists write about, Jenny, is that religion should be accessible to inquiry about its truth claims and that whatever informs those reasons need to undergo critical review in an open and honest manner. That effrontery raises a lot of hackles from those who think that faith must be grounded first in belief and then followed by exploration of why that belief is true. Such an exploration usually relies on the various holy texts. These atheist authors tackle this issue head on and spend many pages exposing obvious discrepancies and conflicting documentation from the various holy texts about what is true.</p>
<p>Their writings are clear, concise, and to the point, and should give the honest reader at the very least cause to reflect. Of course, it&#8217;s much easier to criticize what you may not have read because content and context go hand in hand. They are not loud, strident, militant, nor arrogant; if nothing else, these authors are honest and consistent even if you disagree with their assessments. They do offer their reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, title is &quot;The Brothers Karamazov&quot; (not &quot;Karmzov&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, title is &#8220;The Brothers Karamazov&#8221; (not &#8220;Karmzov&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A great, great insight, although not a new one. See The Brothers Karamzov, Book VI (The Russian Monk), section titled &quot;The Mysterious Visitor&quot;, esp the comments on &#039;solitariness&#039;... (I just came across it 5 minutes ago while reading the novel...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A great, great insight, although not a new one. See The Brothers Karamzov, Book VI (The Russian Monk), section titled &#8220;The Mysterious Visitor&#8221;, esp the comments on &#8217;solitariness&#8217;&#8230; (I just came across it 5 minutes ago while reading the novel&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: LaurenK</title>
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		<dc:creator>LaurenK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 18:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am happy for my fundamental foundation.  As a brand new child in Christ, I needed the direction and rules, if you will.  Now after 25 years, I am much more confident and relaxed in my faith.  It is a happy co-mingling of the truth and experience..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am happy for my fundamental foundation.  As a brand new child in Christ, I needed the direction and rules, if you will.  Now after 25 years, I am much more confident and relaxed in my faith.  It is a happy co-mingling of the truth and experience..</p>
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