October 19, 2017

The Most Discussed Posts on IM in 2011

I have said it before and will keep on saying it because I’ve learned I can count on our faithful IM community:

YOU make Internet Monk the great conversation that it has become.

We had 17 posts that generated over 200 comments each this year. Of course, not every post gets that much discussion. Some are written primarily as meditations or studies. We hope those articles are read carefully and that they will be an encouragement to those who digest them. We also know that they don’t usually provoke a lot of controversy and debate.

But there are other posts — yes, those posts! — that prompt conversations in which we are able to have lively dialogue, debate, and agreeable disagreement; discussion which can help us discern how to think more clearly and develop a better understanding of some aspect of life and faith. That’s when it gets fun.

So, without further ado, here are the posts that generated 200 or more responses in 2011.

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200 Comments. “Worship Music: A Further Discussion” (7/6, Chaplain Mike)

After running Michael Spencer’s classic series on “Worship, CCM, and the Worship Music Revolution,” we built upon his insights and brought the discussion up to date, looking at the CCLI Top 25 worship songs churches are singing and making some general observations about the state of music in evangelical churches today.

201 Comments. “Welcome to This World” (10/19, Craig Bubeck)

While I was on sabbatical, IM welcomed Craig Bubeck as a contributor. He made a big splash right away, posting a video that has been making the rounds on the internet characterizing the Christian worldview as a cruel message to those entering the human family. Craig gave his own thoughtful response and you joined in with enthusiasm.

204 Comments. “Works-Righteousness by Any Other Name Still Stinks” (1/3, Chaplain Mike)

We got off to a strong start last January. Four of our most discussed posts ran during that first month. This one was a rant against the assurance-destroying sermonizing of Mike Bickle at the International House of Prayer. He recounted a dream in which he stood ashamed before Christ, filled with regret for not being totally sold-out to him. Brother, if it depends on our commitment, we’re all sunk. “It is finished!” is good enough for me.

204 Comments. “A New ‘Emerging’ Church” (9/27, Chaplain Mike)

I have not yet learned how to talk very well about the subject of homosexuality and the church, but I keep trying. This was an Open Mic discussion about a gay church that is now attempting to broaden their ministry so that straights (and everyone) might feel welcome in their midst. It was interesting to me that they recognized within themselves certain forms of intolerance and were now trying to correct things. As often happens, the discussion got sidetracked as tensions rose and walls went up. Someday, we’ll be able to talk about this. I don’t think we’ll have a choice.

208 Comments. “Top Ten Things People Hate about the Catholic Church” (10/27, Martha of Ireland)

When the cat’s away, Martha will play! One of the best things for IM readers about my sabbatical was that everyone got to hear more from our sister across the pond. In this post, she only actually got through five reasons we hate the Mother Church, but if she had just expounded on her point, “We don’t know what we believe, but we’re pretty sure that it’s better than what you believe,” this one would have still made the top posts list.

221 Comments. “Ranting and Raving” (1/13, Jeff Dunn)

The bossman decided to do a little ranting of his own early last year. This time Jeff Dunn took on the vision of “Jesus the Self-Help Guru” that is being promoted by folks like Dave Ramsey and Rick Warren. Jeff had a few choice words for churches who abandon their calling to minister like Jesus did in order to help folks gain wealth and drop weight.

224 Comments. “Time to Leave Behind the Rapture” (5/20, Chaplain Mike)

The Harold Camping rapture debacles were big news last year. In this post, I tell the story of my journey through dispensationalism and out the other side, to a saner, more Christ-centered eschatology that doesn’t require a puzzle master to put all the pieces together. Discarding this cartoon theology would do wonders for the American church. Not that I feel strongly about it or anything.

226 Comments. “What Has Changed?” (1/4, Chaplain Mike)

How many people does it take to staff the program of the local church? We compared what Richard Halverson said back in the 1960’s with what today’s megachurches are saying. Why does it take twice as many people to “do church” as it did fifty years ago?

255 Comments. “Driscoll, Masculinity, and the Missional Church” (7/19, Chaplain Mike)

This is the post in which I try to cut Mark Driscoll some slack. Taking him at his word, I try to understand why the issue of masculinity is so personally important to him, and why he stresses it in his ministry. His approach is still not for me, and I’m sure his fans will still count me among the “haters.” Stay tuned.

262 Comments. “Official Historian of the Culture War (for the Right)” (5/11, Chaplain Mike)

Don’t look now, but another election year is dawning. Oh boy. Here’s hoping people like David Barton, the subject of this article, continue to get more scrutiny. Barton, self-appointed “historian,” has been accused of distorting history and then using it to advance a narrow political agenda. He’s the Ken Ham of history.

269 Comments. “Anger at the Poor” (9/15, Damaris Zehner)

Why are Americans (including Christians) so angry at poor people? What is a genuine Christian response to the poor? Damaris raised these thought-provoking questions and got a lot of feedback. It’s uncomfortable to examine our anger and find out the problem may lie more with us than the people toward whom we are expressing our rage.

 275 Comments. “Difficult Scriptures: the Genocidal God?” – (1/28, Chaplain Mike)

How do you handle Biblical texts in which God commands his people to exterminate entire nations or populations? Is God a purveyor of genocide? We watched a video of Tremper Longman as he explained his perspective, and then discussed our own thoughts on this difficult matter.

279 Comments. “Whatever Happened to…Bill Gothard?” (6/15, Chaplain Mike)

This was one of my favorite conversations of the year. Gothard was a huge influence on my early Christian life, and then I realized how much he was manipulating the Scriptures to promote his own “principles.” Thankfully, I found much better teaching that helped me stay grounded. In this discussion, we heard from a lot of folks who suffered deep wounds from the Gothard movement and its various offshoots.

280 Comments. “Major Megachurch Maniacal Missional Madness!” (6/28, Chaplain Mike)

Soon to come to your area: an off-site campus of a major megachurch. We critiqued the “franchising” of the church and discussed why in the world anyone thinks this is a good idea. In case you wondered, I’m not a fan.

283 Comments. “I’m Speechless, How Do You Respond?” (2/25, Chaplain Mike)

John MacArthur criticizes those rising up against authoritarian rule in the Middle East, stating that they are disobeying the Biblical commands about obeying civil authorities. I’m still speechless.

299 Comments. “Someone Has to Put a Foot Down” (8/30, Chaplain Mike)

“This song is starting a revolution. Simply singing it can change your heart. Continue singing it throughout your day and you find yourself intimately in God’s presence.” That’s what some are writing about the popular worship song, “How He Loves”. I found it inscrutable and insufferable, albeit with a catchy melody. This is the “best” of today’s worship music? Come on, pastors, put your foot down!

332 Comments. “Let’s Discuss…Baptism” (5/25, Chaplain Mike)

The number one most-discussed post of the year came in the form of a good, old-fashioned theological conversation about a sacrament — baptism. Surprise! Surprise! With all the craziness of the evangelical circus, with all the news and events and trends, what you wanted to talk about most is as basic and traditional as it gets.

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Thank you for a wonderful year of stimulating, enlightening, encouraging, and challenging discussion. In 2012, this iMonk train will continue moving strong down the track. Hop on board and join the fun!

Comments

  1. Good posts, all of ’em. My blood still boils thinking about some of them.

  2. I am proud, honoured and delighted to have made the list, and I vow to continue to be a trouble-maker and rabble-rouser in the New Year 🙂

  3. Rereading the Gothard post and the comments is blowing me away. Glad I never got deeper than I did.

  4. Did IMonk mention train!!! 😯 As in Milwaukee Road maybe… 😉

    http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1639298

    Or Northern Pacific perhaps? 😛

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    Sorry when you mention train…that really gets me going!! Okay but seriously…

    All of those above posts were good. I also thought a couple of the posts about homosexuality in addition to that were good. The discussions about the reflections on September 11 were quite good. But hands down…my all time favorite post (which I am surprised didn’t make the list…) was when Chaplin Mike wrote about Ken Hamm’s efforts to create a “Genesis Based Disneyland” The post was called if I remember “The Disneyization of Faith”

    Hands down that was the all time best discussion here at the IM!! At least in my opinion….

  5. 50 Years from now I guarantee that Worship Music will STILL be topping the list!
    🙂

  6. The Driscoll post was fun. I totally missed until now the ensuring fuss that resulted when I said that women initiate a large amount of domestic violence. I stand by every word. http://www.dailyfinance.com/2010/01/30/a-hidden-crime-domestic-violence-against-men-is-a-growing-probl/

    My personal favorite post of the year might have been the one calling out dispensationalism. I completely agree, this kind of awful theology is a huge thorn in the evangelical church.

  7. I had a feeling that the post on ‘Baptism’ (“Let’s Discuss Baptism”) would have the most comments.

    For Baptism (and the Sacraments) are always in a battle. People just can’t cotton to the free grace of God coming to us externally by something that God does apart from anything that we do, say, feel, or think.

    Thanks for giving us the opportunity tp speak that gospel truth, and to defend it.

  8. I think I was the one who caused the uproar regarding the post on a church that welcomed homosexuals and heterosexuals.

    I could have chosen more careful language. I will say that my view is one that many people hold, but are too afraid to say it. By putting it out in the open, I hope I made some folks more aware of what’s out there.

    I agree with the Vatican’s teaching on the matter: homosexuality is intrinsically disordered, but a homosexual orientation is not sinful–acting on it is. The Catholics have a balanced, sane view on the matter.

    If I may be so bold, maybe the problem isn’t so much that I can’t speak about the issue in a civil way, but that certain others simply will not entertain any view that is opposed to their own? And that they can get away with this because of artificial rules that govern what is acceptable to speak of and what is not?

    • Danielle79 says:

      To be fair, I think the problem is that neither side is really willing to meet the other on a middle ground. Consider: after surviving every possible controversy–including ones that are more important than sex, like disagreement over the incarnation–members of the episcopal church have left it to form break away groups over (in turn) women’s ordination and homosexuality. Likewise, many conservatives are drawing the lines on the sand and refusing to break bread over this issue, and this issue almost uniquely.

      On the liberal side, the view is that the essential claim to basic human dignity for homosexuals–including and perhaps especially in sacred institutions–is at stake. Given that belief, granting warm assent to statements that a person’s inborn nature is “intrinsically disordered” looks like an unworkable compromise indeed. If the statements are emphatic, it was because similarly emphatic statements had to be made just recently on such topics as whether all races were intrinsically equal.

      Obviously, there is an impasse here. And it is very uncomfortable one for those of us who generally hold traditional theological views and interpretative views, alongside liberal convictions on the topic of gender and sexual orientation.

      For my own part, I’ll break bread with those who hold the conservative view, esp. since I agree with them on nearly all other topics. But I won’t implicitly or explicitly condone the statements they make on the matter. I regard it as an act of spiritual violence, however I mean it to be felt, and therefore I won’t do it.

    • The conversation is in an uncomfortable state on all “sides.”

    • Very true. Even the fact we are talking about sides is telling!

  9. Wish I would have commented earlier so I would be more likely to catch someone’s attention, but…

    I was wondering if someone had a good link to a resource which dismantles the dispensationalist system on a detailed level? The article linked here does a great job outlining from a high level the various problems with the system, but I’m looking for a resource that goes after the details – anyone know of anything?

    Matt

  10. “Obviously, there is an impasse here…..”
    Exactly, and it’s firmly planted. That’s why this discussion took place without my knowledge and/or participation. I only found it today as I am cleaning out my favorites list and stopped by for one last look around.
    One parting word, we’re here, we’re queer, get used to it! AND, we are Christians!
    Godspeed.