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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 01:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Susanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful post, Michael.  I&#039;ve been encouraging our EV Free church to celebrate Advent for the past few years, and this year it&#039;s been wonderful.  We&#039;ve been lighting the candles, reading Scripture, and singing &quot;O Come O Come Emmanuel&quot; in our Sunday School class (which is led by a man who also attends Mass).  We&#039;ve also been lighting the candles, discussing the different symbols of each candle, reading Scripture, and praying in our church services; in fact, our pastor has truly embraced the longing and yearning for light in the darkness this year more than any other.  Thanks for articulating what has been on my heart throughout this holy season.

Susanne</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful post, Michael.  I&#8217;ve been encouraging our EV Free church to celebrate Advent for the past few years, and this year it&#8217;s been wonderful.  We&#8217;ve been lighting the candles, reading Scripture, and singing &#8220;O Come O Come Emmanuel&#8221; in our Sunday School class (which is led by a man who also attends Mass).  We&#8217;ve also been lighting the candles, discussing the different symbols of each candle, reading Scripture, and praying in our church services; in fact, our pastor has truly embraced the longing and yearning for light in the darkness this year more than any other.  Thanks for articulating what has been on my heart throughout this holy season.</p>
<p>Susanne</p>
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		<title>By: rowie</title>
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		<dc:creator>rowie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reaction to Ken&#039;s comment:

I had a conversation with some friends about Advent today, and one of my friends who is more knowledgable about me in liturgical matters said that if one strictly follows the Catholic liturgical calendar, Christmas songs aren&#039;t supposed to be played until the 25th (at least, they aren&#039;t supposed to be played/sung during Mass; of course no one can tell you what music to listen to outside of Mass).  I didn&#039;t know that until he told me.  

Of course, &lt;i&gt;no-Christmas-songs-until-Christmas&lt;/i&gt; is a difficult rule to implement (at least where I come from; I don&#039;t know how it is in your diocese), because people are so excited to start singing Christmas carols as soon as they can, and so the minute the calendar hits the first Sunday of Advent, choirs immediately begin to sing &quot;Adeste Fideles.&quot;  

But quite frankly, my favorite hymns of the &lt;i&gt;entire&lt;/i&gt; liturgical calendar are Advent hymns.  &quot;Oh Come, Oh Come Emmanuel&quot; gives me the goosebumps, and every Advent I find myself humming it to myself in my idle moments.  On Christmas Eve, it can move me to tears.  And &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hymnsandcarolsofchristmas.com/Hymns_and_Carols/o_come_divine_messiah.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;O Come, Divine Messiah&lt;/a&gt;&quot; is like a love song to Christ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reaction to Ken&#8217;s comment:</p>
<p>I had a conversation with some friends about Advent today, and one of my friends who is more knowledgable about me in liturgical matters said that if one strictly follows the Catholic liturgical calendar, Christmas songs aren&#8217;t supposed to be played until the 25th (at least, they aren&#8217;t supposed to be played/sung during Mass; of course no one can tell you what music to listen to outside of Mass).  I didn&#8217;t know that until he told me.  </p>
<p>Of course, <i>no-Christmas-songs-until-Christmas</i> is a difficult rule to implement (at least where I come from; I don&#8217;t know how it is in your diocese), because people are so excited to start singing Christmas carols as soon as they can, and so the minute the calendar hits the first Sunday of Advent, choirs immediately begin to sing &#8220;Adeste Fideles.&#8221;  </p>
<p>But quite frankly, my favorite hymns of the <i>entire</i> liturgical calendar are Advent hymns.  &#8220;Oh Come, Oh Come Emmanuel&#8221; gives me the goosebumps, and every Advent I find myself humming it to myself in my idle moments.  On Christmas Eve, it can move me to tears.  And &#8220;<a href="http://www.hymnsandcarolsofchristmas.com/Hymns_and_Carols/o_come_divine_messiah.htm" rel="nofollow">O Come, Divine Messiah</a>&#8221; is like a love song to Christ.</p>
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		<title>By: sled dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>sled dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken,

The last paragraph of your post just became a part of my Christmas Eve message entitled &quot;The Simplicity of Christmas.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken,</p>
<p>The last paragraph of your post just became a part of my Christmas Eve message entitled &#8220;The Simplicity of Christmas.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;…we are slowly moving into the liturgical calendar’s great ‘movements’ of the year.

Our Baptists churches have been taught to either fear or mistrust the calendar. To our detriment, I’m afraid.&lt;/i&gt;

And in the end you will probably end up with something very similar to what Catholics like me have been doing for centuries.  (Which the C-word automatically makes anathema.)  I see the Magisterium and Tradition as a body of precedent and experience, an institutional memory of what works and what doesn&#039;t.  And I also see Baptists and other Protestants (primarily the younger, non-liturgical ones) constantly reinventing the wheel.

I have no problem with Advent as celebrated in my parish.  Due to my past, the surrounding &quot;Happy Holidays!&quot; have been something to be endured more than enjoyed.  (Didn&#039;t Chesterton&#039;s Father Brown make a point that &quot;There is no torment in Hell as terrible as Constant Forced Cheerfulness&quot; in the story &quot;Three Tools of Death&quot;?)

Advent:  Four weeks of quiet preparation, resting up for the twelve-day party from Christmas to Epiphany.  Makes a lot more sense than...

Current Xmas:  Two-three months of rushing around, shopping, partying, and being subject to cheezy Xmas songs, cheezy TV specials, and Constant Forced Cheerfulness until by the time December 25th comes around, you&#039;re too burned out to enjoy anything.  (Oh, and you&#039;re expected back at work on the 26th.)  I have heard that the divorce, domestic violence, and depression rates all peak around this time of year.  Ho! Ho! Ho! Merry Burnout!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>…we are slowly moving into the liturgical calendar’s great ‘movements’ of the year.</p>
<p>Our Baptists churches have been taught to either fear or mistrust the calendar. To our detriment, I’m afraid.</i></p>
<p>And in the end you will probably end up with something very similar to what Catholics like me have been doing for centuries.  (Which the C-word automatically makes anathema.)  I see the Magisterium and Tradition as a body of precedent and experience, an institutional memory of what works and what doesn&#8217;t.  And I also see Baptists and other Protestants (primarily the younger, non-liturgical ones) constantly reinventing the wheel.</p>
<p>I have no problem with Advent as celebrated in my parish.  Due to my past, the surrounding &#8220;Happy Holidays!&#8221; have been something to be endured more than enjoyed.  (Didn&#8217;t Chesterton&#8217;s Father Brown make a point that &#8220;There is no torment in Hell as terrible as Constant Forced Cheerfulness&#8221; in the story &#8220;Three Tools of Death&#8221;?)</p>
<p>Advent:  Four weeks of quiet preparation, resting up for the twelve-day party from Christmas to Epiphany.  Makes a lot more sense than&#8230;</p>
<p>Current Xmas:  Two-three months of rushing around, shopping, partying, and being subject to cheezy Xmas songs, cheezy TV specials, and Constant Forced Cheerfulness until by the time December 25th comes around, you&#8217;re too burned out to enjoy anything.  (Oh, and you&#8217;re expected back at work on the 26th.)  I have heard that the divorce, domestic violence, and depression rates all peak around this time of year.  Ho! Ho! Ho! Merry Burnout!</p>
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		<title>By: rowie</title>
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		<dc:creator>rowie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dark ... but not entirely.  Advent, the way I&#039;ve experienced since childhood, is about longing, yes, waiting, yes, but also hoping, yearning ... the way we yearn when we&#039;re counting down the minutes until a loved one who has been gone for a long time comes home.

As I told some teenagers during the first week of Advent, it&#039;s about getting in touch with that part of our souls that hungers for the Lord.  

But ah, Gaudete Sunday has just passed and now we are also moving towards greater excitement and anticipation ....  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dark &#8230; but not entirely.  Advent, the way I&#8217;ve experienced since childhood, is about longing, yes, waiting, yes, but also hoping, yearning &#8230; the way we yearn when we&#8217;re counting down the minutes until a loved one who has been gone for a long time comes home.</p>
<p>As I told some teenagers during the first week of Advent, it&#8217;s about getting in touch with that part of our souls that hungers for the Lord.  </p>
<p>But ah, Gaudete Sunday has just passed and now we are also moving towards greater excitement and anticipation &#8230;.  <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Scott E.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 02:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right on, Michael.  No matter how hard I try, I cannot get our church to understand that Advent is not a time of celebration, but a time of preparation.  It is not a joyous occassion, it is as you have said a season of waiting for the joyous occasion.

I think people have a hard time waiting, don&#039;t you.  They just want what they want now.  Christmas seems to be no exception.

But at least we do observe a form of Advent, which is a move in the right direction.  This is only a three year old observance in our church.  I guess I need to be patient and continue to wait for our dear folks to catch on. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on, Michael.  No matter how hard I try, I cannot get our church to understand that Advent is not a time of celebration, but a time of preparation.  It is not a joyous occassion, it is as you have said a season of waiting for the joyous occasion.</p>
<p>I think people have a hard time waiting, don&#8217;t you.  They just want what they want now.  Christmas seems to be no exception.</p>
<p>But at least we do observe a form of Advent, which is a move in the right direction.  This is only a three year old observance in our church.  I guess I need to be patient and continue to wait for our dear folks to catch on. <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: sled dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>sled dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 23:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our church does an advent candle, but beyond that it&#039;s nothing more than trotting a family up in front of church.  I think our fear of creating a sense and mood  of darkness anticipating light would seem to negative.

When I preached last year&#039;s Good Friday service it carried a bit of dread in it.  Kind of rare for our church.  But what&#039;s the saying?  It gets darkest just before the light appears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our church does an advent candle, but beyond that it&#8217;s nothing more than trotting a family up in front of church.  I think our fear of creating a sense and mood  of darkness anticipating light would seem to negative.</p>
<p>When I preached last year&#8217;s Good Friday service it carried a bit of dread in it.  Kind of rare for our church.  But what&#8217;s the saying?  It gets darkest just before the light appears.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivy Gauvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ivy Gauvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,

This was a wonderful post. I shared it with my husband and we are sharing it with everyone. You brought us to the place we need to be at to appreciate Advent&#039;s significance. Blessed Advent to you and yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>This was a wonderful post. I shared it with my husband and we are sharing it with everyone. You brought us to the place we need to be at to appreciate Advent&#8217;s significance. Blessed Advent to you and yours.</p>
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		<title>By: wezlo</title>
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		<dc:creator>wezlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 03:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually made a video introducing the concept of Advent for worship last year.  It ain&#039;t perfect - but it was the best I could do with the time and tools I had on hand at the time.  It served as the sermon on the first Sunday of Advent last year - you can view it &lt;a href=&quot;http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3275301762811395521&amp;pr=goog-sl&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;ve often wondered why Christians keep arguing about saying &quot;Merry Christmas&quot; during Advent....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually made a video introducing the concept of Advent for worship last year.  It ain&#8217;t perfect &#8211; but it was the best I could do with the time and tools I had on hand at the time.  It served as the sermon on the first Sunday of Advent last year &#8211; you can view it <a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3275301762811395521&amp;pr=goog-sl" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve often wondered why Christians keep arguing about saying &#8220;Merry Christmas&#8221; during Advent&#8230;.</p>
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