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	<title>Comments on: The Meaning of a Suit: A Response to John Macarthur&#8217;s Comments on Contextualization</title>
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		<title>By: iMonk</title>
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		<dc:creator>iMonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope you explained to them that their equating clothes with worship was a cultural judgement, not a Biblical one, and that dress codes have nothing to do with the Gospel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you explained to them that their equating clothes with worship was a cultural judgement, not a Biblical one, and that dress codes have nothing to do with the Gospel.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was very impressed by McArthur&#039;s comments.

The trend to dress like slobs has become so extreme that anyone who dresses well is mocked and ridiculed. That is neither tolerant nor reasonable.

This reverse snobbery makes church an uncomfortable and humiliating experience for those who are no longer young and cannot fit into the current, trendy way of thinking. 

I would urge those who insist on wearing casual clothes to open your minds and not judge. Accept those who are different from you and don&#039;t insist that they conform to your standards.

For years I taught English to internationals in a church in Boston. They simply couldn&#039;t understand the American sloppy dressing. They wore their best clothes to church out of respect. When they say Americans defending their tee shirts and jeans, they just looked stunned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was very impressed by McArthur&#8217;s comments.</p>
<p>The trend to dress like slobs has become so extreme that anyone who dresses well is mocked and ridiculed. That is neither tolerant nor reasonable.</p>
<p>This reverse snobbery makes church an uncomfortable and humiliating experience for those who are no longer young and cannot fit into the current, trendy way of thinking. </p>
<p>I would urge those who insist on wearing casual clothes to open your minds and not judge. Accept those who are different from you and don&#8217;t insist that they conform to your standards.</p>
<p>For years I taught English to internationals in a church in Boston. They simply couldn&#8217;t understand the American sloppy dressing. They wore their best clothes to church out of respect. When they say Americans defending their tee shirts and jeans, they just looked stunned.</p>
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		<title>By: Casey Sabella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Casey Sabella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 14:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh brother! If any reading this article honestly thinks that your calling is in anyway tied to a piece of cloth hanging around your neck, you&#039;ve got bigger problems than dress code. Dudes. Authority and image and not related. Ask John the Baptist. I suppose we should speak to Peter and John about the image they project when they wear those common clothes to synagogue. The very idea. And that Jesus and those sandals. He&#039;s gotta go...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh brother! If any reading this article honestly thinks that your calling is in anyway tied to a piece of cloth hanging around your neck, you&#8217;ve got bigger problems than dress code. Dudes. Authority and image and not related. Ask John the Baptist. I suppose we should speak to Peter and John about the image they project when they wear those common clothes to synagogue. The very idea. And that Jesus and those sandals. He&#8217;s gotta go&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: student</title>
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		<dc:creator>student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 05:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good stuff. I was wondering what books you would recommend someone who is starting to read into being missional or missional minstry. If you could recommend 5 top books on the subject what would they be? Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff. I was wondering what books you would recommend someone who is starting to read into being missional or missional minstry. If you could recommend 5 top books on the subject what would they be? Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Contextualizing the Gospel&#8230; &#171; Sola Gratia - By Grace Alone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Contextualizing the Gospel&#8230; &#171; Sola Gratia - By Grace Alone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ye Olde Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ye Olde Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see good and bad elements in what Dr. Macarthur is saying there. I completely understand why you&#039;d want to wear a suit to preach to Word, and I do so myself. Depending on what cultural context you&#039;re in, a suit and tie can indeed indicate seriousness to one&#039;s congregation and not snootiness. It&#039;s important that we be aware of what our language and dress are communicating to the culture, and if dressing up in nice clothes helps communicate the seriousness of the Word, then it may be wise to dress up. 

I&#039;m inclined to think that in being &quot;all things to all men,&quot; Paul&#039;s intention was to avoid offending the sensibilities of his audience; indeed, the conclusion of the oft-quoted contextualisation passage found in 1 Corinthins 10:31-33, &quot;Whether, then, you eat or drink or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God. Give no offense either to Jews or to Greeks or to the church of God; just as I also please all men in all things, not seeking my own profit but the profit of the many, so that they may be saved.&quot; 1 Corinthians 9 and 10 concern the Christian&#039;s liberty, and what the apostle means in being a slave to all is that he limits his liberties so as to avoid giving offense. The point was to get Paul out of the way so as to communicate the Gospel clearly - &quot;I do all things for the sake of the gospel.&quot;

You are right on, however, in your critique of Macarthur. I love the man and his teaching, but he seems to be missing the point that his own ministry is influenced by culture, be it a 1950&#039;s Baptist culture or even the culture of our day. He seems to contradict himself: in one paragraph he insists that we be aware of what our clothing says to the culture, and in another paragraph he makes it clear that we shouldn&#039;t care what the culture is like, so long as we preach the Word. Quite confusing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see good and bad elements in what Dr. Macarthur is saying there. I completely understand why you&#8217;d want to wear a suit to preach to Word, and I do so myself. Depending on what cultural context you&#8217;re in, a suit and tie can indeed indicate seriousness to one&#8217;s congregation and not snootiness. It&#8217;s important that we be aware of what our language and dress are communicating to the culture, and if dressing up in nice clothes helps communicate the seriousness of the Word, then it may be wise to dress up. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m inclined to think that in being &#8220;all things to all men,&#8221; Paul&#8217;s intention was to avoid offending the sensibilities of his audience; indeed, the conclusion of the oft-quoted contextualisation passage found in 1 Corinthins 10:31-33, &#8220;Whether, then, you eat or drink or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God. Give no offense either to Jews or to Greeks or to the church of God; just as I also please all men in all things, not seeking my own profit but the profit of the many, so that they may be saved.&#8221; 1 Corinthians 9 and 10 concern the Christian&#8217;s liberty, and what the apostle means in being a slave to all is that he limits his liberties so as to avoid giving offense. The point was to get Paul out of the way so as to communicate the Gospel clearly &#8211; &#8220;I do all things for the sake of the gospel.&#8221;</p>
<p>You are right on, however, in your critique of Macarthur. I love the man and his teaching, but he seems to be missing the point that his own ministry is influenced by culture, be it a 1950&#8242;s Baptist culture or even the culture of our day. He seems to contradict himself: in one paragraph he insists that we be aware of what our clothing says to the culture, and in another paragraph he makes it clear that we shouldn&#8217;t care what the culture is like, so long as we preach the Word. Quite confusing.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The remark about &quot;suits = money&quot; is something I had never even considered, but it makes perfect sense out in Clay Co.  Of course, I suppose out there, &quot;collar = Catholic&quot; as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The remark about &#8220;suits = money&#8221; is something I had never even considered, but it makes perfect sense out in Clay Co.  Of course, I suppose out there, &#8220;collar = Catholic&#8221; as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Contextualization and Relevance &#124; The Christian Imagination</title>
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		<dc:creator>Contextualization and Relevance &#124; The Christian Imagination</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;All ministry is mind to mind. The sooner you can learn to leapfrog the culture, the better.&quot;

I honestly don&#039;t understand how MacArthur can make this statement. Does he think that he has leapfrogged the culture and so a white upper middle class Southern Californian is what the unculturized human looks like? I am not trying to be funny; how can he said we need to get past the culture and get to the mind, as if a mind is not really affected by culture?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;All ministry is mind to mind. The sooner you can learn to leapfrog the culture, the better.&#8221;</p>
<p>I honestly don&#8217;t understand how MacArthur can make this statement. Does he think that he has leapfrogged the culture and so a white upper middle class Southern Californian is what the unculturized human looks like? I am not trying to be funny; how can he said we need to get past the culture and get to the mind, as if a mind is not really affected by culture?</p>
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		<title>By: WebMonk</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen the &quot;suit at church&quot; thing cut both ways, much as several comments have said earlier. I&#039;ve dealt with a church who refused to have anything to do with our church, in spite of being the same denomination, because we did not wear suits to church. Ironically, two low-income families started attending our church within a month specifically because they were intimidated by dress-up churches and appreciated our church&#039;s relaxed dressing.

In a different church I attended for a very short while, I also heard a great deal of talk about how a neighboring church just down the street is full of hypocrites because they encourage a higher level of dressing-up.

Clothing can speak volumes, both by what the wearer intends by the clothing and by what others perceive the clothing to mean. It is ENTIRELY cultural in both directions - casual and formal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen the &#8220;suit at church&#8221; thing cut both ways, much as several comments have said earlier. I&#8217;ve dealt with a church who refused to have anything to do with our church, in spite of being the same denomination, because we did not wear suits to church. Ironically, two low-income families started attending our church within a month specifically because they were intimidated by dress-up churches and appreciated our church&#8217;s relaxed dressing.</p>
<p>In a different church I attended for a very short while, I also heard a great deal of talk about how a neighboring church just down the street is full of hypocrites because they encourage a higher level of dressing-up.</p>
<p>Clothing can speak volumes, both by what the wearer intends by the clothing and by what others perceive the clothing to mean. It is ENTIRELY cultural in both directions &#8211; casual and formal.</p>
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