Comments on: The Light Of A Most Obvious Question: Why Hanging Out With Jesus Is Changing My Christianity http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-light-of-a-most-obvious-question-why-hanging-out-with-jesus-is-changing-my-christianity ...dispatches from the post-evangelical wilderness Sun, 12 Feb 2012 06:26:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: ldjchicago http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-light-of-a-most-obvious-question-why-hanging-out-with-jesus-is-changing-my-christianity/comment-page-1#comment-4970 ldjchicago Wed, 21 Dec 2005 06:10:27 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/index.php/?p=255#comment-4970 anyone know what really happened with Victoria Osteen on her flight to colorado? anyone know what really happened with Victoria Osteen on her flight to colorado?

]]> By: internetmonk.com » The Tyranny of the Offended http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-light-of-a-most-obvious-question-why-hanging-out-with-jesus-is-changing-my-christianity/comment-page-1#comment-4949 internetmonk.com » The Tyranny of the Offended Tue, 20 Dec 2005 04:40:56 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/index.php/?p=255#comment-4949 [...] to change, and I am quite sure that if I spent three years with Jesus, I would feel the same way. Link to this entry| [...] [...] to change, and I am quite sure that if I spent three years with Jesus, I would feel the same way. Link to this entry| [...]

]]> By: rowie http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-light-of-a-most-obvious-question-why-hanging-out-with-jesus-is-changing-my-christianity/comment-page-1#comment-4918 rowie Thu, 15 Dec 2005 05:21:25 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/index.php/?p=255#comment-4918 A major part of the Second Week of Saint Ignatius of Loyola's "Spiritual Exercises" is a series of meditations on the life of Christ as described in the Gospels. The retreatant is encouraged to imagine himself/herself walking with Christ, watching Him preach, heal, and perform miracles, eating and speaking with Christ and the Apostles as they go about their ministry. The grace that the retreatant is usually encouraged to pray for is the grace of a more intimate knowledge of Christ, that the retreatant may learn to love him more deeply and follow him more closely. I've undergone the Spiritual Exercises a few times in my life, and I've always found myself showered with immeasurable graces from praying the Second Week. I do encourage everyone here to constantly read, reflect, and pray about Christ's life. Incidentally, I'm not sure how it is in other Christian churches, but in the Catholic Church, the Gospel reading (the part where a passage from one of the four Gospels accounts is read) is the most important part of the Liturgy of the Word, and the other Old Testament and New Testament readings serve to shed light on the Gospel passage. I'm just wondering whether the same preeminence is given, in other denominations, to the four Gospel accounts over other parts of Scripture in worship services, or whether this is a Catholic peculiarity. A major part of the Second Week of Saint Ignatius of Loyola’s “Spiritual Exercises” is a series of meditations on the life of Christ as described in the Gospels. The retreatant is encouraged to imagine himself/herself walking with Christ, watching Him preach, heal, and perform miracles, eating and speaking with Christ and the Apostles as they go about their ministry. The grace that the retreatant is usually encouraged to pray for is the grace of a more intimate knowledge of Christ, that the retreatant may learn to love him more deeply and follow him more closely. I’ve undergone the Spiritual Exercises a few times in my life, and I’ve always found myself showered with immeasurable graces from praying the Second Week. I do encourage everyone here to constantly read, reflect, and pray about Christ’s life.

Incidentally, I’m not sure how it is in other Christian churches, but in the Catholic Church, the Gospel reading (the part where a passage from one of the four Gospels accounts is read) is the most important part of the Liturgy of the Word, and the other Old Testament and New Testament readings serve to shed light on the Gospel passage. I’m just wondering whether the same preeminence is given, in other denominations, to the four Gospel accounts over other parts of Scripture in worship services, or whether this is a Catholic peculiarity.

]]> By: rowie http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-light-of-a-most-obvious-question-why-hanging-out-with-jesus-is-changing-my-christianity/comment-page-1#comment-4896 rowie Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:49:54 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/index.php/?p=255#comment-4896 Tom mentions Luke 4. Another important passage to remind us what Christ's mission was (is): the Beatitudes. Tom mentions Luke 4. Another important passage to remind us what Christ’s mission was (is): the Beatitudes.

]]> By: notarev http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-light-of-a-most-obvious-question-why-hanging-out-with-jesus-is-changing-my-christianity/comment-page-1#comment-4804 notarev Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:50:09 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/index.php/?p=255#comment-4804 thanks Michael! I was similarly challenged when I read Dallas Willard. Why do so many of us Christians lose Christ? thanks Michael! I was similarly challenged when I read Dallas Willard. Why do so many of us Christians lose Christ?

]]> By: Broken Messenger http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-light-of-a-most-obvious-question-why-hanging-out-with-jesus-is-changing-my-christianity/comment-page-1#comment-4801 Broken Messenger Mon, 05 Dec 2005 05:47:10 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/index.php/?p=255#comment-4801 Michael, Truly a imonk hall of fame post, excellent. Brad Michael,

Truly a imonk hall of fame post, excellent.

Brad

]]> By: Lorna http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-light-of-a-most-obvious-question-why-hanging-out-with-jesus-is-changing-my-christianity/comment-page-1#comment-4800 Lorna Sun, 04 Dec 2005 08:37:46 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/index.php/?p=255#comment-4800 If you spent three years with him, what kind of person would you be? What kind of theologian? Husband? Father? Man? I'd still be a woman :) a cherished child and heir! but If I were to have hung out with Jesus for three years day and night I wouldn't be the same. That's for sure, and that's where we go wrong IMHO - too little time with Him, and too little of the application of what He said, taught, did into our everyday lives. Lorna http://stf.heavenlytrain.com If you spent three years with him, what kind of person would you be? What kind of theologian? Husband? Father? Man?

I’d still be a woman :) a cherished child and heir!

but If I were to have hung out with Jesus for three years day and night I wouldn’t be the same. That’s for sure, and that’s where we go wrong IMHO – too little time with Him, and too little of the application of what He said, taught, did into our everyday lives.

Lorna
http://stf.heavenlytrain.com

]]> By: Michael Spencer http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-light-of-a-most-obvious-question-why-hanging-out-with-jesus-is-changing-my-christianity/comment-page-1#comment-4796 Michael Spencer Sat, 03 Dec 2005 17:24:24 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/index.php/?p=255#comment-4796 I am , btw, aware that some of the epistles are written before some of the Gospels, but my view of the Gospels is that they INTENTIONALLY gather the material about Jesus and are Purposefully put forward as a presetation of JESUS, as compared to the epistles which have other purposes than to focus on the words and works of Jesus. I am , btw, aware that some of the epistles are written before some of the Gospels, but my view of the Gospels is that they INTENTIONALLY gather the material about Jesus and are Purposefully put forward as a presetation of JESUS, as compared to the epistles which have other purposes than to focus on the words and works of Jesus.

]]> By: Michael Spencer http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-light-of-a-most-obvious-question-why-hanging-out-with-jesus-is-changing-my-christianity/comment-page-1#comment-4795 Michael Spencer Sat, 03 Dec 2005 17:19:49 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/index.php/?p=255#comment-4795 On dying for our sins: Yes. See Mark 10 "To Give His Life as a Ransom for many" + dozens of citations in John. This came from Jesus. It was the only interpretation of his death that fit with his words. On the Trinity: Absolutely. Absolutely. On Just war: Hmmmmmm. Maybe. On defense of innocents, YES. Jesus didn't say much about violence outside of the context of persecution, so I don't have a clear sense. I do not believe his words indicate passivity in EVERY instance. On dying for our sins: Yes. See Mark 10 “To Give His Life as a Ransom for many” + dozens of citations in John. This came from Jesus. It was the only interpretation of his death that fit with his words.

On the Trinity: Absolutely. Absolutely.

On Just war: Hmmmmmm. Maybe. On defense of innocents, YES. Jesus didn’t say much about violence outside of the context of persecution, so I don’t have a clear sense. I do not believe his words indicate passivity in EVERY instance.

]]> By: Tom Hinkle http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-light-of-a-most-obvious-question-why-hanging-out-with-jesus-is-changing-my-christianity/comment-page-1#comment-4794 Tom Hinkle Sat, 03 Dec 2005 17:05:55 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/index.php/?p=255#comment-4794 It's amazing how my study of Jesus is totally shaking up everything I've previously believed. It's given me a totally different mindset, and has made me wonder if 98% of Christianity is getting it totally wrong. Just look as Jesus' "mission statement" from the fourth chapter of Luke as he read from the prophet Isaiah in the Synagogue: "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor." Sometime this past week, in the BHT, there was a small discussion about whether one should place emphasis on the "person" or the "work" of Christ. When I first saw the phrase "work of Christ," I immediately thought of the scripture that Jesus read from Isaiah in the Synagogue. But that wasn't the "work" that was being discussed; the "work" was reconciliation with God, or Jesus dying for our sins, that type of "work." Yet I think Jesus' REAL work was totally missed. If you were walking around with Jesus day-by-day, and even witnessed his crucifixion, you would never get a concept of "substitutionary atonement." You might get a sense of Jesus being the "Christ, the son of the Living God" as Peter did, but not of Jesus as the second member of a Trinitarian Godhead. So, Michael, you have some fairly radical questions there, but I'm willing to go more radical than that: If you walked with Jesus from day-to-day, would you have a concept of him "dying for your sins?" Would you have a concept of the Trinity? Would you have any concept of a "just war?" Just asking. It’s amazing how my study of Jesus is totally shaking up everything I’ve previously believed. It’s given me a totally different mindset, and has made me wonder if 98% of Christianity is getting it totally wrong.

Just look as Jesus’ “mission statement” from the fourth chapter of Luke as he read from the prophet Isaiah in the Synagogue: “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.” Sometime this past week, in the BHT, there was a small discussion about whether one should place emphasis on the “person” or the “work” of Christ. When I first saw the phrase “work of Christ,” I immediately thought of the scripture that Jesus read from Isaiah in the Synagogue. But that wasn’t the “work” that was being discussed; the “work” was reconciliation with God, or Jesus dying for our sins, that type of “work.” Yet I think Jesus’ REAL work was totally missed. If you were walking around with Jesus day-by-day, and even witnessed his crucifixion, you would never get a concept of “substitutionary atonement.” You might get a sense of Jesus being the “Christ, the son of the Living God” as Peter did, but not of Jesus as the second member of a Trinitarian Godhead.

So, Michael, you have some fairly radical questions there, but I’m willing to go more radical than that: If you walked with Jesus from day-to-day, would you have a concept of him “dying for your sins?” Would you have a concept of the Trinity? Would you have any concept of a “just war?”

Just asking.

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