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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 07:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Michael,

It&#039;s been some time since you&#039;ve written this, but I want to thank you for writing this. It&#039;s so true! Thanks for the freeing text.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Michael,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been some time since you&#8217;ve written this, but I want to thank you for writing this. It&#8217;s so true! Thanks for the freeing text.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Crawford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I believe Reformed theology is biblical, I often see what you relate - giving sovereign grace with the one hand and taking it away with the other through shifting the focus from God&#039;s graciosness in Christ to our efforts. It kills me everytime and takes me a while to recover.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I believe Reformed theology is biblical, I often see what you relate &#8211; giving sovereign grace with the one hand and taking it away with the other through shifting the focus from God&#8217;s graciosness in Christ to our efforts. It kills me everytime and takes me a while to recover.</p>
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		<title>By: Headless Unicorn Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-lawgospel-rant/comment-page-2#comment-505549</link>
		<dc:creator>Headless Unicorn Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 17:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And the real killer? Hanging the carrot out there that says there is a place you can be where if you do enough you will be ultimately accepted.&lt;/i&gt;

A place the guy up front doing the preaching is comfortably in, but you can never get in no matter what you do, no matter how hard you try.  Then comes the condescencing diagnosis of the In-Crowd as to why you can&#039;t, and it all becomes just another game of one-upmanship.  Just like high school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And the real killer? Hanging the carrot out there that says there is a place you can be where if you do enough you will be ultimately accepted.</i></p>
<p>A place the guy up front doing the preaching is comfortably in, but you can never get in no matter what you do, no matter how hard you try.  Then comes the condescencing diagnosis of the In-Crowd as to why you can&#8217;t, and it all becomes just another game of one-upmanship.  Just like high school.</p>
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		<title>By: Headless Unicorn Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Headless Unicorn Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 16:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does that have anything to do with the comment from somewhere that &quot;You can tell when a Christian leader is in trouble when he stops preaching on what he&#039;s for and only preaches on what he&#039;s against&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does that have anything to do with the comment from somewhere that &#8220;You can tell when a Christian leader is in trouble when he stops preaching on what he&#8217;s for and only preaches on what he&#8217;s against&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Lynette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, I think I understand what you mean by Gospel-soaked ways of instruction.  I think the best  preaching gives a clear gospel explanation for 2 reasons- so people who don&#039;t understand the gospel can hear it and hopefully believe, and for those who do understand the gospel to be encouraged by the reminder of what our Savior has done for us.  Also, I think the preaching should go further, past &quot;milk&quot; to &quot;solid food,&quot; to deeper teachings, Hebrews 6:1-3.
A good sermon should instruct us in God&#039;s ways, so that we know how to live:
2 Timothy 3:14-17

To answer your question of how the Bible teaches us to deal with depression, I hesitate to answer because I have a long answer, and I don&#039;t want you to have preconceived notions about where I am coming from, based on people you have known, etc.  Some people who have responded to my earlier posts here I did not &quot;feel the love&quot; from and I felt judged and that they assumed where I was coming from.  If you are against what I am saying, I would prefer you ask a question to clarify rather than cut down what is assumed to be my view.  
Having said that, I will try to be concise, but depression is a multifaceted topic.
First, there are many different causes of depression.  
1. Physical, such as a thyroid problem, a brain injury, hypoglycemia, etc.  Hopefully the physical cause can be identified by a doctor and treated, for example thyroid medicine, rather than immediately prescribing an antidepressant.
2. Psychological//spiritual, such as trauma, grief, guilt (false or true), unresolved anger/bitterness, anxiety, etc.  
I think identifying the causes of depression can be a huge help in finding out how to find help.  Depending on their symptoms and the causes of depression, the Bible can offer a ton of help on the subject.  Another factor with depression is that many times people&#039;s responses to depression can further add to their depression.  So in cases where the cause may not have a specific Biblical answer, the Bible can help people to know ways to respond to their situation than can bring help, peace, comfort, etc.
To just choose a couple examples:
Most people deal with depression at one time or another, including great people of faith such as David and Elijah, pastors, etc., even Abraham Lincoln and other famous historic people.  Looking at some of the people in the Bible who had depression can bring comfort and guidance to Christians nowadays dealing with depression, such as Psalm 32, 38, and 77.  I think there are times when God has a purpose for our depression, that there is something He is doing in our lives through the depression to bring us into a closer relationship with Him and to teach us things that we would not otherwise learn.
Another way the Bible can help depression is if it is caused by true guilt and/or anger/unforgiveness/bitterness.  The Bible has much to say on these topics, such as seeking forgiveness from God and possibly also from those we&#039;ve wronged, and it&#039;s SO freeing when we do that!  This brings us right back to the gospel, that we are free in Christ from what we&#039;ve done, and don&#039;t need to be weighed down by our guilt and shame over our sins, because in Christ we are forgiven completely and His Spirit is working in our lives.  We are new creations and set free from the bondage of sin.
In my own life, when anxiety has been overwhelming, there are times when Philippians 4:4-9 has been a HUGE help, especially trying to give thanks to God and get my mind off of what is overwhelming me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, I think I understand what you mean by Gospel-soaked ways of instruction.  I think the best  preaching gives a clear gospel explanation for 2 reasons- so people who don&#8217;t understand the gospel can hear it and hopefully believe, and for those who do understand the gospel to be encouraged by the reminder of what our Savior has done for us.  Also, I think the preaching should go further, past &#8220;milk&#8221; to &#8220;solid food,&#8221; to deeper teachings, Hebrews 6:1-3.<br />
A good sermon should instruct us in God&#8217;s ways, so that we know how to live:<br />
2 Timothy 3:14-17</p>
<p>To answer your question of how the Bible teaches us to deal with depression, I hesitate to answer because I have a long answer, and I don&#8217;t want you to have preconceived notions about where I am coming from, based on people you have known, etc.  Some people who have responded to my earlier posts here I did not &#8220;feel the love&#8221; from and I felt judged and that they assumed where I was coming from.  If you are against what I am saying, I would prefer you ask a question to clarify rather than cut down what is assumed to be my view.<br />
Having said that, I will try to be concise, but depression is a multifaceted topic.<br />
First, there are many different causes of depression.<br />
1. Physical, such as a thyroid problem, a brain injury, hypoglycemia, etc.  Hopefully the physical cause can be identified by a doctor and treated, for example thyroid medicine, rather than immediately prescribing an antidepressant.<br />
2. Psychological//spiritual, such as trauma, grief, guilt (false or true), unresolved anger/bitterness, anxiety, etc.<br />
I think identifying the causes of depression can be a huge help in finding out how to find help.  Depending on their symptoms and the causes of depression, the Bible can offer a ton of help on the subject.  Another factor with depression is that many times people&#8217;s responses to depression can further add to their depression.  So in cases where the cause may not have a specific Biblical answer, the Bible can help people to know ways to respond to their situation than can bring help, peace, comfort, etc.<br />
To just choose a couple examples:<br />
Most people deal with depression at one time or another, including great people of faith such as David and Elijah, pastors, etc., even Abraham Lincoln and other famous historic people.  Looking at some of the people in the Bible who had depression can bring comfort and guidance to Christians nowadays dealing with depression, such as Psalm 32, 38, and 77.  I think there are times when God has a purpose for our depression, that there is something He is doing in our lives through the depression to bring us into a closer relationship with Him and to teach us things that we would not otherwise learn.<br />
Another way the Bible can help depression is if it is caused by true guilt and/or anger/unforgiveness/bitterness.  The Bible has much to say on these topics, such as seeking forgiveness from God and possibly also from those we&#8217;ve wronged, and it&#8217;s SO freeing when we do that!  This brings us right back to the gospel, that we are free in Christ from what we&#8217;ve done, and don&#8217;t need to be weighed down by our guilt and shame over our sins, because in Christ we are forgiven completely and His Spirit is working in our lives.  We are new creations and set free from the bondage of sin.<br />
In my own life, when anxiety has been overwhelming, there are times when Philippians 4:4-9 has been a HUGE help, especially trying to give thanks to God and get my mind off of what is overwhelming me.</p>
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		<title>By: ZebraKickRealHard</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-lawgospel-rant/comment-page-2#comment-504952</link>
		<dc:creator>ZebraKickRealHard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 03:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If someone is taking God&#039;s good grace and using it as an excuse to continue in a way that is unpleaseing to God there is no real repentance their; but that is something that remains entirley between God and that person... No amount of &quot;law&quot;, or a dose of Sunday church will change that...

What will change a person is taking the focuse of f of them and putting it on to someone else... Such as: spreading the good news, turning the other cheek, making disciples of his people...

As anyone ever noticed after you&#039;ve done something for someone else like giving rice to a hingry family or opening a door for your irritating co-worked that its suddenly not about you and it&#039;s about them.

I feel strongly that you can never overcome a sin or a grow if you only focuse on you; which is what church is so much about these days... Come to chruch on Sunday feel convicted for a day fall back into your same stride the next and we&#039;ll see you in a week...  Debating over what kind of church is better will get you no where...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If someone is taking God&#8217;s good grace and using it as an excuse to continue in a way that is unpleaseing to God there is no real repentance their; but that is something that remains entirley between God and that person&#8230; No amount of &#8220;law&#8221;, or a dose of Sunday church will change that&#8230;</p>
<p>What will change a person is taking the focuse of f of them and putting it on to someone else&#8230; Such as: spreading the good news, turning the other cheek, making disciples of his people&#8230;</p>
<p>As anyone ever noticed after you&#8217;ve done something for someone else like giving rice to a hingry family or opening a door for your irritating co-worked that its suddenly not about you and it&#8217;s about them.</p>
<p>I feel strongly that you can never overcome a sin or a grow if you only focuse on you; which is what church is so much about these days&#8230; Come to chruch on Sunday feel convicted for a day fall back into your same stride the next and we&#8217;ll see you in a week&#8230;  Debating over what kind of church is better will get you no where&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-lawgospel-rant/comment-page-2#comment-504847</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 02:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sorry to keep doing this, but this is amazing! This is worth shouting about. That list of &quot;sins&quot; in Galatians makes so much sense, it&#039;s a &quot;beware&quot; list not a &quot;thou shalt not&quot; list. I wish I could explain it. This is something people can accept as truly good news. I can&#039;t believe I never understood this! If only I could explain it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry to keep doing this, but this is amazing! This is worth shouting about. That list of &#8220;sins&#8221; in Galatians makes so much sense, it&#8217;s a &#8220;beware&#8221; list not a &#8220;thou shalt not&#8221; list. I wish I could explain it. This is something people can accept as truly good news. I can&#8217;t believe I never understood this! If only I could explain it!</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 02:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. I get it. I see it now. &quot;It is finished.&quot; I can&#039;t explain it, but I get it. So why does Paul have that list in Galatians? I&#039;ve gotta think about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I get it. I see it now. &#8220;It is finished.&#8221; I can&#8217;t explain it, but I get it. So why does Paul have that list in Galatians? I&#8217;ve gotta think about this.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-lawgospel-rant/comment-page-2#comment-504841</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 02:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By golly, you&#039;re right! And I get a free dog soul with conversion: http://www.irreligion.org/2008/08/27/all-dogs-go-to-heaven/

But seriously, why do you say that you are toast? Are you saying that you cannot or will not repent? Are you suggesting that it is not possible? Maybe I should go listen to some of those sermons you linked rather than dragging this on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By golly, you&#8217;re right! And I get a free dog soul with conversion: <a href="http://www.irreligion.org/2008/08/27/all-dogs-go-to-heaven/" rel="nofollow">http://www.irreligion.org/2008/08/27/all-dogs-go-to-heaven/</a></p>
<p>But seriously, why do you say that you are toast? Are you saying that you cannot or will not repent? Are you suggesting that it is not possible? Maybe I should go listen to some of those sermons you linked rather than dragging this on.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 02:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Law shows the world sin.  The Gospel shows the world to one and only salvation from that sin, Christ crucified.  Because Christ died for all does not mean that we turn a blind eye to sin, but rather use the Law to show sin and the need for a Savior.  Once sin is realized and the need for a Savior is recognized we can use the Gospel to show that all sins have been paid for on the cross.

Now as for homosexuality refer to what Paul writes in 1Cor. 6:9.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Law shows the world sin.  The Gospel shows the world to one and only salvation from that sin, Christ crucified.  Because Christ died for all does not mean that we turn a blind eye to sin, but rather use the Law to show sin and the need for a Savior.  Once sin is realized and the need for a Savior is recognized we can use the Gospel to show that all sins have been paid for on the cross.</p>
<p>Now as for homosexuality refer to what Paul writes in 1Cor. 6:9.</p>
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