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		<title>By: juniordave</title>
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		<dc:creator>juniordave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 00:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, that was a brilliant blog.  So bluntly honest.  It&#039;s quite the conundrum to feel that God has given us a brain...  yet feel the tug of contemporary theology to hide it in a bucket.  I recently tumbled out of Reformed Theological Seminary - Orlando - after asking way too many questions.  Your blog hit so many of them square on the head.  My remedy?  Not a reading of the Psalms.  Not a re-reading of John...  but a reading of &quot;The Third Chimpanzee&quot; by Jared Diamond.  It blew my mind.  I think the heart of Christ makes us look on the world and ask &quot;Why?&quot; even louder...  and maybe bleeding on the side of the intellectual/philosophical road is the only place to find real truth.  I&#039;m holding onto Christ by my fingernails.  Everything else is nuts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, that was a brilliant blog.  So bluntly honest.  It&#8217;s quite the conundrum to feel that God has given us a brain&#8230;  yet feel the tug of contemporary theology to hide it in a bucket.  I recently tumbled out of Reformed Theological Seminary &#8211; Orlando &#8211; after asking way too many questions.  Your blog hit so many of them square on the head.  My remedy?  Not a reading of the Psalms.  Not a re-reading of John&#8230;  but a reading of &#8220;The Third Chimpanzee&#8221; by Jared Diamond.  It blew my mind.  I think the heart of Christ makes us look on the world and ask &#8220;Why?&#8221; even louder&#8230;  and maybe bleeding on the side of the intellectual/philosophical road is the only place to find real truth.  I&#8217;m holding onto Christ by my fingernails.  Everything else is nuts.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,
You are a rarity my friend! I mean this in a good way. You are 100% on target and honest in your article with regards to doubt. I would question a person who would not admit what you express in this article. To doubt is human. To blindly believe something because you are told can only mean one of two things to me (assuming a person is an adult): One they are insane, or two, they have been brainwashed.  As you allude to in this article, there are many fancy arguments to defend a particular dogma, creed or whatever, but they are what they are - arguments. If there was absolute proof that any of it was dogmatically true then a person would not have an excuse for doubt. This whole affair is based on faith, and Paul says in essence (assuming he is the author of Hebrews) that faith is based on something hoped for with EVIDENCE of things NOT SEEN. Tough pill to swallow if one is being honest, and even harder being 2000 years removed from the events in question. Also, if one is trying to be a good Berean and study this thing out it only muddyÂ’s the waters that much more. So to doubt is human and to not doubt, therefore, would be beyond human. Once again I appreciate your honesty in this article and of course the very cute story of your Valentine&#039;s Day mishap. 

I would like to share some of the things that have caused the most doubt in my life (even though I still believe in God). If our starting premise is that God is all knowing, has always been, and is everywhere all of the time one could safely say that you could never get anything past God. One issue that perplexes me from time to time is this: Assuming this premise, why would God create Satan knowing full well ahead of time that he would fall and ultimately bring full scale suffering to the created world when all of this could have summarily been avoided? I know the arguments from the platform that this is what freewill is all about, but somehow that doesn&#039;t really solve this riddle. It almost makes it seem like God may not know everything?

Another problem that causes me doubt as well is, if someone born and raised in another culture and never hears of the things that most of us in the West are privy to and they live there life in the religion and systems of there forefathers, that they are doomed to hell forever for something they never even heard.  Seems as though one has to be lucky enough too be born in the right place at the right time to get the right message?

Can the bible as we have it be the true scriptures when it was voted on by a Church Council who summarily destroyed people who did not go along with their program and would not allow the common people to even read the thing that they were propagating for many years to come?  This makes one question the validity of scriptures when most of it is based on tradition, and the fact that there is a variety of texts to choose from.

Most of the New Testament is written by second hand accounts at best, except Matthew and John (according to tradition) several years after the events in question, how reliable is this? Or is their an agenda?

Most of Christianity, like other major religions, is rooted in war and has been forced on people from birth, in most cultures. Does God operate this way to preserve his word, and or, his proposed message for mankind?

The fact that we are living in a technological age with many advances in medicine and so on, it makes one question issues such as demon possession and other things mentioned in the NT.

The parallels between the Zoroastrian religion and Christianity is striking; coincidence?

Maybe ignorance is bliss, but the more we study and try to identify with the world around us can cause doubt about what most of us have been taught. Maybe there needs to be a different approach to understanding Jesus and what he represented to this world then what has been pumped out of Orthodoxy?

Faith can change lives (and does) and living a life of compassion and love for each of our fellow travelers along this road we call life can be (for the most part) a fulfilling life. Dogmatic interpretations and fancy arguments only causes confusion and dissent and leads to where we are today in our churches. Today, and for many years now, Churches have been splitting over bible translations, length of hair, length of dress, political affiliations, baptismal methodology, and on and on. Does any of this really have anything to do with compassion? Or does it lead to just more spurious doctrines? Is the Church today just another business opportunity for some enterprising entrepreneur?

Owen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,<br />
You are a rarity my friend! I mean this in a good way. You are 100% on target and honest in your article with regards to doubt. I would question a person who would not admit what you express in this article. To doubt is human. To blindly believe something because you are told can only mean one of two things to me (assuming a person is an adult): One they are insane, or two, they have been brainwashed.  As you allude to in this article, there are many fancy arguments to defend a particular dogma, creed or whatever, but they are what they are &#8211; arguments. If there was absolute proof that any of it was dogmatically true then a person would not have an excuse for doubt. This whole affair is based on faith, and Paul says in essence (assuming he is the author of Hebrews) that faith is based on something hoped for with EVIDENCE of things NOT SEEN. Tough pill to swallow if one is being honest, and even harder being 2000 years removed from the events in question. Also, if one is trying to be a good Berean and study this thing out it only muddyÂ’s the waters that much more. So to doubt is human and to not doubt, therefore, would be beyond human. Once again I appreciate your honesty in this article and of course the very cute story of your Valentine&#8217;s Day mishap. </p>
<p>I would like to share some of the things that have caused the most doubt in my life (even though I still believe in God). If our starting premise is that God is all knowing, has always been, and is everywhere all of the time one could safely say that you could never get anything past God. One issue that perplexes me from time to time is this: Assuming this premise, why would God create Satan knowing full well ahead of time that he would fall and ultimately bring full scale suffering to the created world when all of this could have summarily been avoided? I know the arguments from the platform that this is what freewill is all about, but somehow that doesn&#8217;t really solve this riddle. It almost makes it seem like God may not know everything?</p>
<p>Another problem that causes me doubt as well is, if someone born and raised in another culture and never hears of the things that most of us in the West are privy to and they live there life in the religion and systems of there forefathers, that they are doomed to hell forever for something they never even heard.  Seems as though one has to be lucky enough too be born in the right place at the right time to get the right message?</p>
<p>Can the bible as we have it be the true scriptures when it was voted on by a Church Council who summarily destroyed people who did not go along with their program and would not allow the common people to even read the thing that they were propagating for many years to come?  This makes one question the validity of scriptures when most of it is based on tradition, and the fact that there is a variety of texts to choose from.</p>
<p>Most of the New Testament is written by second hand accounts at best, except Matthew and John (according to tradition) several years after the events in question, how reliable is this? Or is their an agenda?</p>
<p>Most of Christianity, like other major religions, is rooted in war and has been forced on people from birth, in most cultures. Does God operate this way to preserve his word, and or, his proposed message for mankind?</p>
<p>The fact that we are living in a technological age with many advances in medicine and so on, it makes one question issues such as demon possession and other things mentioned in the NT.</p>
<p>The parallels between the Zoroastrian religion and Christianity is striking; coincidence?</p>
<p>Maybe ignorance is bliss, but the more we study and try to identify with the world around us can cause doubt about what most of us have been taught. Maybe there needs to be a different approach to understanding Jesus and what he represented to this world then what has been pumped out of Orthodoxy?</p>
<p>Faith can change lives (and does) and living a life of compassion and love for each of our fellow travelers along this road we call life can be (for the most part) a fulfilling life. Dogmatic interpretations and fancy arguments only causes confusion and dissent and leads to where we are today in our churches. Today, and for many years now, Churches have been splitting over bible translations, length of hair, length of dress, political affiliations, baptismal methodology, and on and on. Does any of this really have anything to do with compassion? Or does it lead to just more spurious doctrines? Is the Church today just another business opportunity for some enterprising entrepreneur?</p>
<p>Owen</p>
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		<title>By: Kaloni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaloni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post.  Thanks alot Mike, I enjoy all of your essays, they have been such a blessing to me. Keep writing!!  

I have my doubts as well and it has only been till recently that I have become open and more comfortable with my doubts as a Christian.  It&#039;s still difficult sharing them however, considering that most people walk around with a &quot;super-faith&quot; that knows no doubt.  

Owen, I hear you and agree with you on your doubts.  It was thoughts like that, that drove me to a point where I began to think of God as unjust and a failure. I actually began thinking that God was NOT good.  Grace and grace alone is what brought me out of that hole.  It&#039;s not that people try but fail to come to Christ or that God tries to win people into the kingdom but fails, it&#039;s that all people refuse to come to Christ.  Therefore it&#039;s all of grace that anyone is saved.  I&#039;m learning that we are desperate sinners that need grace perpetually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post.  Thanks alot Mike, I enjoy all of your essays, they have been such a blessing to me. Keep writing!!  </p>
<p>I have my doubts as well and it has only been till recently that I have become open and more comfortable with my doubts as a Christian.  It&#8217;s still difficult sharing them however, considering that most people walk around with a &#8220;super-faith&#8221; that knows no doubt.  </p>
<p>Owen, I hear you and agree with you on your doubts.  It was thoughts like that, that drove me to a point where I began to think of God as unjust and a failure. I actually began thinking that God was NOT good.  Grace and grace alone is what brought me out of that hole.  It&#8217;s not that people try but fail to come to Christ or that God tries to win people into the kingdom but fails, it&#8217;s that all people refuse to come to Christ.  Therefore it&#8217;s all of grace that anyone is saved.  I&#8217;m learning that we are desperate sinners that need grace perpetually.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kaloni, I agree with you we all certainly need grace perpetually. Great choice of words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kaloni, I agree with you we all certainly need grace perpetually. Great choice of words.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Dover</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjamin Dover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you reconcile your walk with Christ and your viewing of a show like CSI Miami?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you reconcile your walk with Christ and your viewing of a show like CSI Miami?</p>
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		<title>By: iMonk</title>
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		<dc:creator>iMonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Benjamin:

1) If you are serious: I actually watch about 6 hours of godless television a week. I could watch 6 hours of TBN or study the Bible for 6 hours, but I am possessed by evil spirits that compel me to watch shows on the major networks.

2) If you aren&#039;t serious: I actually watch about 6 hours of godless television a week. I could watch 6 hours of TBN or study the Bible for 6 hours, but I am possessed by evil spirits that compel me to watch shows on the major networks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Benjamin:</p>
<p>1) If you are serious: I actually watch about 6 hours of godless television a week. I could watch 6 hours of TBN or study the Bible for 6 hours, but I am possessed by evil spirits that compel me to watch shows on the major networks.</p>
<p>2) If you aren&#8217;t serious: I actually watch about 6 hours of godless television a week. I could watch 6 hours of TBN or study the Bible for 6 hours, but I am possessed by evil spirits that compel me to watch shows on the major networks.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Benjamin,

It is comments like yours that causes statements to be made like: &quot;I would be a Christian were it not for Christians.&quot; 

My question to you Benjamin is how you reconcile this post of yours with Romans 14.

You may say what does Romans 14 have to do with something like CSI: Miami? I think its essence has a lot do with it. So if you want to eat herbs (spiritually speaking) eat herbs, but don&#039;t make the mistake of judging someone else&#039;s walk with Christ because of something you would or would not do.

Let me know if your flagellations ever really drives the demons away.

Owen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Benjamin,</p>
<p>It is comments like yours that causes statements to be made like: &#8220;I would be a Christian were it not for Christians.&#8221; </p>
<p>My question to you Benjamin is how you reconcile this post of yours with Romans 14.</p>
<p>You may say what does Romans 14 have to do with something like CSI: Miami? I think its essence has a lot do with it. So if you want to eat herbs (spiritually speaking) eat herbs, but don&#8217;t make the mistake of judging someone else&#8217;s walk with Christ because of something you would or would not do.</p>
<p>Let me know if your flagellations ever really drives the demons away.</p>
<p>Owen</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Dover</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjamin Dover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I arrived at this site for your critique and outing of Joel Osteen&#039;s no-conviction-of-sin,no-repentance non-gospel. My question was semi-rhetorical and the result of disappointment.
Of course I battle(flagellate?) daily with sin.My sin seperates me from God.Sin which I may easily avoid others may have difficulty with and visa versa.Every day the word of God rebukes me of my sin and reminds me of my unworthiness to stand in the presence of God save for the blood of Jesus.Titus calls on us as christians to hold each other accountable.To neglect to participate in this calling is to neglect a christian duty.Many of our churches today,as they invite the world in,neglect the discipline necessary to help others grow spiritually.A christian,including me,who is not reminded of their sin by the word of God and others is in danger of developing the the attitude that proclaiming the word of God is sufficient and living the deed of God is unnecessary or irrevelant.Christianity is filling up with country-club,christianity-lite mega churches and feel-good,prosperity gospel,God is my buddy pastors like many(most?) of those on TBN.
I appreciate any christian who assists me in living a more Godly less sinfull life even if their rebuke initially hurts my feeling.Sin=Sin.
1 John 2:15</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I arrived at this site for your critique and outing of Joel Osteen&#8217;s no-conviction-of-sin,no-repentance non-gospel. My question was semi-rhetorical and the result of disappointment.<br />
Of course I battle(flagellate?) daily with sin.My sin seperates me from God.Sin which I may easily avoid others may have difficulty with and visa versa.Every day the word of God rebukes me of my sin and reminds me of my unworthiness to stand in the presence of God save for the blood of Jesus.Titus calls on us as christians to hold each other accountable.To neglect to participate in this calling is to neglect a christian duty.Many of our churches today,as they invite the world in,neglect the discipline necessary to help others grow spiritually.A christian,including me,who is not reminded of their sin by the word of God and others is in danger of developing the the attitude that proclaiming the word of God is sufficient and living the deed of God is unnecessary or irrevelant.Christianity is filling up with country-club,christianity-lite mega churches and feel-good,prosperity gospel,God is my buddy pastors like many(most?) of those on TBN.<br />
I appreciate any christian who assists me in living a more Godly less sinfull life even if their rebuke initially hurts my feeling.Sin=Sin.<br />
1 John 2:15</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Shobert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Shobert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monk-Man:  Your writing on doubt makes me want to weep with joy this morning.  Having seen Hotel Rwanda yesterday I ache at the absence of God in the moments when we seem to need Him most.  I grow weary of ideas about God that get in the way of us taking responsibility for our world.  I can appreciate how ludicrous the beliefs of Christianity sound, but at times it seems like nothing is more ludicrous than to believe God at one time walked and talked with men in genuine theopanies, only to leave us with such an utterly ambiguous spiritual experience.  What pulls me back from the edge of despair?  Two things, my own sense of responsibility in this world and people such as you, my friend at Theocentric.Com and Brian McLaren.  His newest book coming out on March 25th (The Last Word and the Word After That) is very important reading for the 21st century church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monk-Man:  Your writing on doubt makes me want to weep with joy this morning.  Having seen Hotel Rwanda yesterday I ache at the absence of God in the moments when we seem to need Him most.  I grow weary of ideas about God that get in the way of us taking responsibility for our world.  I can appreciate how ludicrous the beliefs of Christianity sound, but at times it seems like nothing is more ludicrous than to believe God at one time walked and talked with men in genuine theopanies, only to leave us with such an utterly ambiguous spiritual experience.  What pulls me back from the edge of despair?  Two things, my own sense of responsibility in this world and people such as you, my friend at Theocentric.Com and Brian McLaren.  His newest book coming out on March 25th (The Last Word and the Word After That) is very important reading for the 21st century church.</p>
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		<title>By: Waterfall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Waterfall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is good to know that there are thousands of us doubter-types out there. I thought I was the only one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is good to know that there are thousands of us doubter-types out there. I thought I was the only one!</p>
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