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		<title>By: Damaris</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-good-land/comment-page-1#comment-544844</link>
		<dc:creator>Damaris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 21:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lukas -- I confess I wrote this post partly for my own refreshment -- which you have provided beautifully.  Thank you for the descriptions, so vivid I could almost smell the flowers and feel the storm.  I would very much like to read your book when it&#039;s at that stage.

And thank you to you others who wrote.  I&#039;m encouraged about the state of mankind and the world, that there are people who see and love where they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lukas &#8212; I confess I wrote this post partly for my own refreshment &#8212; which you have provided beautifully.  Thank you for the descriptions, so vivid I could almost smell the flowers and feel the storm.  I would very much like to read your book when it&#8217;s at that stage.</p>
<p>And thank you to you others who wrote.  I&#8217;m encouraged about the state of mankind and the world, that there are people who see and love where they are.</p>
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		<title>By: Lukas db</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-good-land/comment-page-1#comment-544826</link>
		<dc:creator>Lukas db</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 19:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just sailed across Lake Michigan.  The great waves of our sweet water, the breath of our snows.  We left at dawn, and the sun rose over the dunes behind us as we cut through the first breakers.  The wind was rattling in the dune grass, but I could not hear it.  Everything was the rush of water, the spray of wind over wave.  

Hours later, the spires of Chicago cut through the mists.   We docked just as a great thunderstorm materialized over us, and the rain fell on us in sheets and howled through the rigging of nearby masts, and then the storm was gone.  My brother and I left that evening for Michigan again.  I like Chicago, but I cannot stay long in a place without trees.  It exhausts me; I feel on edge, naked below the dome of the skies.

Now I am home, and trees surround me  Atop this sandy hill.  I like saying the names of the trees as I see them.  &lt;em&gt;Pinus resinosa.&lt;/em&gt;  Bark-like-scales.  &lt;em&gt;Pinus alba,&lt;/em&gt; wintery, with craggy branches.  &lt;em&gt;Quercus rubrum,&lt;/em&gt; the ancient.  There is a constant soughing when the air breathes.  And here, a bit farther away, is the place where lily-of-the-valley bloomed not two months past.  Legend says they first sprouted when Eve wept on the ground, cast out of Eden.  You could smell them at night a quarter mile away, the tears of one who had seen paradise.

Here there is a field.  Hawks-eye grows there, and plantain covers the ground under feathery red clumps of grass.  Little blue-stem and others I don&#039;t know the names of yet.  Grapes slither underfoot.  Above golden and indigo birds might wing.   If you look closely, you may be drawn into the strange and alien world of mosses and lichens in sand and on rock.  Above an eagle cries.

I haven&#039;t spoken yet about the river.  Or of the small lakes and ponds, the smell of rain.  They are a work unto themselves.  And in the autumn all that is Michigan grows stronger, more poignant, and sadder and more joyful.  I could never tire of it.  But the winter is my favorite.  I shouldn&#039;t try, perhaps, to write about it here; I am writing a book about it, that hardly allows me to start.

Let me leave you, then, in this summer field.  You won&#039;t grow hungry, if you know where to look.  There are wild strawberries and raspberries underfoot, and yonder is sorrel, dandelion, burdock, grape, carrot.  &lt;em&gt;Daucus carrota.&lt;/em&gt;  Look up!  the sun is shining through the juniper, and all its needles are lit up like threads of fire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just sailed across Lake Michigan.  The great waves of our sweet water, the breath of our snows.  We left at dawn, and the sun rose over the dunes behind us as we cut through the first breakers.  The wind was rattling in the dune grass, but I could not hear it.  Everything was the rush of water, the spray of wind over wave.  </p>
<p>Hours later, the spires of Chicago cut through the mists.   We docked just as a great thunderstorm materialized over us, and the rain fell on us in sheets and howled through the rigging of nearby masts, and then the storm was gone.  My brother and I left that evening for Michigan again.  I like Chicago, but I cannot stay long in a place without trees.  It exhausts me; I feel on edge, naked below the dome of the skies.</p>
<p>Now I am home, and trees surround me  Atop this sandy hill.  I like saying the names of the trees as I see them.  <em>Pinus resinosa.</em>  Bark-like-scales.  <em>Pinus alba,</em> wintery, with craggy branches.  <em>Quercus rubrum,</em> the ancient.  There is a constant soughing when the air breathes.  And here, a bit farther away, is the place where lily-of-the-valley bloomed not two months past.  Legend says they first sprouted when Eve wept on the ground, cast out of Eden.  You could smell them at night a quarter mile away, the tears of one who had seen paradise.</p>
<p>Here there is a field.  Hawks-eye grows there, and plantain covers the ground under feathery red clumps of grass.  Little blue-stem and others I don&#8217;t know the names of yet.  Grapes slither underfoot.  Above golden and indigo birds might wing.   If you look closely, you may be drawn into the strange and alien world of mosses and lichens in sand and on rock.  Above an eagle cries.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t spoken yet about the river.  Or of the small lakes and ponds, the smell of rain.  They are a work unto themselves.  And in the autumn all that is Michigan grows stronger, more poignant, and sadder and more joyful.  I could never tire of it.  But the winter is my favorite.  I shouldn&#8217;t try, perhaps, to write about it here; I am writing a book about it, that hardly allows me to start.</p>
<p>Let me leave you, then, in this summer field.  You won&#8217;t grow hungry, if you know where to look.  There are wild strawberries and raspberries underfoot, and yonder is sorrel, dandelion, burdock, grape, carrot.  <em>Daucus carrota.</em>  Look up!  the sun is shining through the juniper, and all its needles are lit up like threads of fire.</p>
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		<title>By: Damaris</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-good-land/comment-page-1#comment-544674</link>
		<dc:creator>Damaris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 13:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anna, there&#039;s the physical stability of staying in one place, but there&#039;s also the  -- maybe groundedness would be a better word -- of really being present where we are.  I imagine that St. Benedict meant both.  We are always called to achieve the second, even if, like St. Paul, we&#039;re not called to the first.

Hang on to that job!  I hope your retirement plans and timing work out for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anna, there&#8217;s the physical stability of staying in one place, but there&#8217;s also the  &#8212; maybe groundedness would be a better word &#8212; of really being present where we are.  I imagine that St. Benedict meant both.  We are always called to achieve the second, even if, like St. Paul, we&#8217;re not called to the first.</p>
<p>Hang on to that job!  I hope your retirement plans and timing work out for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 00:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the idea of Benedictine stability,  I just wish that my life could have had more,   But then,  I wouldn&#039;t be the same person that I am now, so I just smile and don&#039;t think too much about it.

For me,  I&#039;ve bounced around the country,  not really willingly, (other than liking to be employed), but I have enjoyed it.  AND I&#039;m glad to be back in the Midwest.  (and hopefully at my last job before retirement).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the idea of Benedictine stability,  I just wish that my life could have had more,   But then,  I wouldn&#8217;t be the same person that I am now, so I just smile and don&#8217;t think too much about it.</p>
<p>For me,  I&#8217;ve bounced around the country,  not really willingly, (other than liking to be employed), but I have enjoyed it.  AND I&#8217;m glad to be back in the Midwest.  (and hopefully at my last job before retirement).</p>
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		<title>By: Damaris</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-good-land/comment-page-1#comment-544592</link>
		<dc:creator>Damaris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 20:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that arises from two things, Joe.  First, there&#039;s the heavy emphasis on overt evangelism that you find in those groups.  You better be ready to go where you&#039;re sent, the attitude is.  Not a bad thing, in itself.  Second, and I think more important, is the tendency to dichotomize.  Spirit is good, flesh is bad.  Heaven is good, earth is bad.  This almost gnostic tendency in modern evangelical circles leads to a disdain for the physical aspects of God&#039;s creation.  Much evangelicalism emphasizes thinking over doing, ideas over sacraments.  I think that&#039;s a mistake, arising from a misunderstanding about the nature(s) of God.  I wanted in this blog to remind people of God&#039;s revelation of himself through the physical.

Actually, there&#039;s a third aspect, and that&#039;s the footloose character of Americans.  All of our ancestors, except those who were brought as slaves and had no choice, got here because they were willing to pack up and go.  We are still doing that.  And that too is not necessarily a bad thing.  We have avoided the bloody wars over particular patches of land that have racked much of the old world.  But it does mean that we tend to forget the value of the world around us.  It becomes a resource, not a home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that arises from two things, Joe.  First, there&#8217;s the heavy emphasis on overt evangelism that you find in those groups.  You better be ready to go where you&#8217;re sent, the attitude is.  Not a bad thing, in itself.  Second, and I think more important, is the tendency to dichotomize.  Spirit is good, flesh is bad.  Heaven is good, earth is bad.  This almost gnostic tendency in modern evangelical circles leads to a disdain for the physical aspects of God&#8217;s creation.  Much evangelicalism emphasizes thinking over doing, ideas over sacraments.  I think that&#8217;s a mistake, arising from a misunderstanding about the nature(s) of God.  I wanted in this blog to remind people of God&#8217;s revelation of himself through the physical.</p>
<p>Actually, there&#8217;s a third aspect, and that&#8217;s the footloose character of Americans.  All of our ancestors, except those who were brought as slaves and had no choice, got here because they were willing to pack up and go.  We are still doing that.  And that too is not necessarily a bad thing.  We have avoided the bloody wars over particular patches of land that have racked much of the old world.  But it does mean that we tend to forget the value of the world around us.  It becomes a resource, not a home.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-good-land/comment-page-1#comment-544583</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 20:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, because I have found that in many varieties of evangelicalism nowadays, Pentecostal/charismatic and otherwise, it seems to be a virtue to live life with your bags packed (so to speak), ready to go at the drop of a hat to wherever God may lead you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, because I have found that in many varieties of evangelicalism nowadays, Pentecostal/charismatic and otherwise, it seems to be a virtue to live life with your bags packed (so to speak), ready to go at the drop of a hat to wherever God may lead you.</p>
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		<title>By: Damaris</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-good-land/comment-page-1#comment-544569</link>
		<dc:creator>Damaris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 17:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, come on, guys.  We get to over 140 comments when the post is about acrimony and 21 when you&#039;re asked to celebrate?  Don&#039;t make me reach back there . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, come on, guys.  We get to over 140 comments when the post is about acrimony and 21 when you&#8217;re asked to celebrate?  Don&#8217;t make me reach back there . . .</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
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		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 08:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an expat nomad.  My stability is rooted in my mobility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an expat nomad.  My stability is rooted in my mobility.</p>
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		<title>By: Damaris</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-good-land/comment-page-1#comment-544473</link>
		<dc:creator>Damaris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 23:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, in Ireland you can&#039;t be very far from it!  The sea is beautiful, and any time I indulge myself with grass-is-greener thinking I dream of the sea -- I grew up in Greece, and my family is all from along the Atlantic shore.  But here is lovely, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, in Ireland you can&#8217;t be very far from it!  The sea is beautiful, and any time I indulge myself with grass-is-greener thinking I dream of the sea &#8212; I grew up in Greece, and my family is all from along the Atlantic shore.  But here is lovely, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Martha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 22:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Damaris, but I have to be with the Californian in your poem.

I lived inland once for six months and it almost killed me.  Have to be beside the sea!

;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Damaris, but I have to be with the Californian in your poem.</p>
<p>I lived inland once for six months and it almost killed me.  Have to be beside the sea!</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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