Comments on: The Evangelical Liturgy 4: The Congregation http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-evangelical-liturgy-4-the-congregation ...dispatches from the post-evangelical wilderness Sun, 21 Mar 2010 04:21:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Sensus Divinitatis News http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-evangelical-liturgy-4-the-congregation/comment-page-1#comment-508353 Sensus Divinitatis News Wed, 26 Aug 2009 20:03:03 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=4190#comment-508353 <strong>The Evangelical Liturgy 4: The Congregation...</strong> This post was chosen as newsworthy at Sensus Divinitatis News.... The Evangelical Liturgy 4: The Congregation…

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]]> By: Derek http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-evangelical-liturgy-4-the-congregation/comment-page-1#comment-507836 Derek Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:20:05 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=4190#comment-507836 I've toyed with online church community. Had one going of about 15 people (including spouses). Led prayer times and discussion with another brother. Healing services (didn't lead those). Folks would share a link to a praise video (or a hymn video for your hymnal-keepers!) and we'd watch and listen and "sing" together. Laying on hands was a bit of a challenge, but we'd lay hands on the monitor and have the one wanting healing do the same. A few ailments and injuries were healed. It's challenging and it reminds me that folks walking in freedom from the do's and don't's are sparse. Second life? Really? When my FIL died last year, I was on travel about 90 minutes from home. Middle of the night here, a friend from Australia kept online with my wife during the drive (Skype call) - with a few others from the west coast (US). Once I got home, we got her packed and rested for an early morning drive to the airport (75 minutes) and the Aussie mate stayed up with me and prayed till she got in through security. (was about 7pm for him at that point). Similar was done when I had a kidney stone last year. I’ve toyed with online church community. Had one going of about 15 people (including spouses). Led prayer times and discussion with another brother. Healing services (didn’t lead those). Folks would share a link to a praise video (or a hymn video for your hymnal-keepers!) and we’d watch and listen and “sing” together.

Laying on hands was a bit of a challenge, but we’d lay hands on the monitor and have the one wanting healing do the same. A few ailments and injuries were healed.

It’s challenging and it reminds me that folks walking in freedom from the do’s and don’t’s are sparse.

Second life? Really?

When my FIL died last year, I was on travel about 90 minutes from home. Middle of the night here, a friend from Australia kept online with my wife during the drive (Skype call) – with a few others from the west coast (US). Once I got home, we got her packed and rested for an early morning drive to the airport (75 minutes) and the Aussie mate stayed up with me and prayed till she got in through security. (was about 7pm for him at that point).

Similar was done when I had a kidney stone last year.

]]> By: BrettStroud.com» Unity, Holiness, and Catholicity http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-evangelical-liturgy-4-the-congregation/comment-page-1#comment-507756 BrettStroud.com» Unity, Holiness, and Catholicity Fri, 21 Aug 2009 04:32:25 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=4190#comment-507756 [...] on reconnecting evangelical worship to the historic traditions of the church, his latest post on The Congregation has got me thinking about a crucial issue for evangelicals and others to consider. In order for the [...] [...] on reconnecting evangelical worship to the historic traditions of the church, his latest post on The Congregation has got me thinking about a crucial issue for evangelicals and others to consider. In order for the [...]

]]> By: John M. Yeats http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-evangelical-liturgy-4-the-congregation/comment-page-1#comment-507742 John M. Yeats Fri, 21 Aug 2009 02:23:08 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=4190#comment-507742 Snarky is ok. I think I have the spiritual gift... Perhaps it is semantics, but the church was inaugurated by Christ and is designed by God for a purpose in the world (Eph. 3). Has it arrived yet? Is it a completed work? No. But by using the language of design, most attempt to communicate that the church is not an accident - it has a purpose to fulfill in the world. Perhaps, using your corrective, we should say that it is designed AND becoming all at once. To top it off, God continues to protect the church, grow the church and use the church to advance his kingdom despite our own inadequacies and failings. If that isn't grace in the process of Bride preparation, I don't know what is... Snarky is ok. I think I have the spiritual gift…

Perhaps it is semantics, but the church was inaugurated by Christ and is designed by God for a purpose in the world (Eph. 3). Has it arrived yet? Is it a completed work? No. But by using the language of design, most attempt to communicate that the church is not an accident – it has a purpose to fulfill in the world. Perhaps, using your corrective, we should say that it is designed AND becoming all at once.

To top it off, God continues to protect the church, grow the church and use the church to advance his kingdom despite our own inadequacies and failings. If that isn’t grace in the process of Bride preparation, I don’t know what is…

]]> By: John M. Yeats http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-evangelical-liturgy-4-the-congregation/comment-page-1#comment-507739 John M. Yeats Fri, 21 Aug 2009 02:16:51 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=4190#comment-507739 Check out www.lifechurch.tv. You can join the church, give and worship online. No biggie. I don't know if they still do it, but they also had a campus in second life. Check out http://www.lifechurch.tv. You can join the church, give and worship online. No biggie.

I don’t know if they still do it, but they also had a campus in second life.

]]> By: Bic http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-evangelical-liturgy-4-the-congregation/comment-page-1#comment-507719 Bic Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:51:29 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=4190#comment-507719 This may not be the time/place for this, but has anyone (seriously) considered kicking over the ant hill of 'virtual worship' via the internet. Motivation comes from having lots of isolated folks in various sandboxes (euphemistically termed Southwest Asia) however with internet access. Actually, not that much different from various live radio/tv broadcasts of services. Probably even better. This may not be the time/place for this, but has anyone (seriously) considered kicking over the ant hill of ‘virtual worship’ via the internet. Motivation comes from having lots of isolated folks in various sandboxes (euphemistically termed Southwest Asia) however with internet access. Actually, not that much different from various live radio/tv broadcasts of services. Probably even better.

]]> By: Steve Newell http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-evangelical-liturgy-4-the-congregation/comment-page-1#comment-507689 Steve Newell Thu, 20 Aug 2009 22:23:41 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=4190#comment-507689 Bingo Bingo

]]> By: Wolf Paul http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-evangelical-liturgy-4-the-congregation/comment-page-1#comment-507668 Wolf Paul Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:19:09 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=4190#comment-507668 I think the problem with the movement or fashion you describe is that it was looking for ways to make worship evangelistic, and thus changed the intention from "God's people worshipping him and interacting with him for his own sake" to "God's people teying to impress outsiders with their relationship and interaction with God." The focus is wrong. I see Louis Giglio in a different light because for the most part what he does is not designed to take the place of the church's Sunday worship. It's o.k. to use God's greatness and the awesomeness of his creation to draw non-believers to him; I just don't think the church's worship service is the time and place for that intention. I think the problem with the movement or fashion you describe is that it was looking for ways to make worship evangelistic, and thus changed the intention from “God’s people worshipping him and interacting with him for his own sake” to “God’s people teying to impress outsiders with their relationship and interaction with God.” The focus is wrong.

I see Louis Giglio in a different light because for the most part what he does is not designed to take the place of the church’s Sunday worship. It’s o.k. to use God’s greatness and the awesomeness of his creation to draw non-believers to him; I just don’t think the church’s worship service is the time and place for that intention.

]]> By: Wolf Paul http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-evangelical-liturgy-4-the-congregation/comment-page-1#comment-507663 Wolf Paul Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:07:08 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=4190#comment-507663 There is a wide spectrum of views and opinion in the Evangelical movement, just as in the Catholic Church. Big difference is that there is not a single recognized magisterium so it's difficult to say who is the "true" Evangelical :-) There is a wide spectrum of views and opinion in the Evangelical movement, just as in the Catholic Church. Big difference is that there is not a single recognized magisterium so it’s difficult to say who is the “true” Evangelical :-)

]]> By: Chad http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-evangelical-liturgy-4-the-congregation/comment-page-1#comment-507662 Chad Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:05:11 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=4190#comment-507662 I have had several teachers that have suggested this. I have had several teachers that have suggested this.

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