Comments on: The Evangelical Liturgy 14: The Sermon http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-evangelical-liturgy-14-the-sermon ...dispatches from the post-evangelical wilderness Sun, 12 Feb 2012 11:44:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Derek http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-evangelical-liturgy-14-the-sermon/comment-page-1#comment-514994 Derek Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:51:31 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=4671#comment-514994 I realize I'm late in bringing this question, but someone (Mark Driscoll) explains the difference between preaching and teaching as this: Preaching is presenting the gospel. Teaching is giving a lesson on holy living. What happens on Sunday is generally (given this construct) teaching and not preaching. If it WAS preaching, then why would we preach to people who presumably already know the gospel message? I realize I’m late in bringing this question, but someone (Mark Driscoll) explains the difference between preaching and teaching as this:

Preaching is presenting the gospel. Teaching is giving a lesson on holy living. What happens on Sunday is generally (given this construct) teaching and not preaching. If it WAS preaching, then why would we preach to people who presumably already know the gospel message?

]]> By: Memo to Gospel Preachers « Nullus Extra Cruem http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-evangelical-liturgy-14-the-sermon/comment-page-1#comment-514785 Memo to Gospel Preachers « Nullus Extra Cruem Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:47:00 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=4671#comment-514785 [...] Not sure how serious or accurate my friend and blogging mentor Michael Spencer (aka imonk) was when he said recently that “About 98% of the Christian blogosphere is written by preachers about preaching,” [...] [...] Not sure how serious or accurate my friend and blogging mentor Michael Spencer (aka imonk) was when he said recently that “About 98% of the Christian blogosphere is written by preachers about preaching,” [...]

]]> By: Monday Shout-Out: Internet Monk on The Sermon « Practicing Peace http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-evangelical-liturgy-14-the-sermon/comment-page-1#comment-514747 Monday Shout-Out: Internet Monk on The Sermon « Practicing Peace Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:35:51 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=4671#comment-514747 [...] Evangelical Liturgy.”  A recent post, well worth reading and pondering, discusses the sermon and its place in evangelical worship.  These few paragraphs caught my eye: Some of you are going [...] [...] Evangelical Liturgy.”  A recent post, well worth reading and pondering, discusses the sermon and its place in evangelical worship.  These few paragraphs caught my eye: Some of you are going [...]

]]> By: greg r http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-evangelical-liturgy-14-the-sermon/comment-page-1#comment-514425 greg r Thu, 08 Oct 2009 16:46:36 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=4671#comment-514425 I'm jotting out a few thots today,and will be able to e-mail tonight. I'd rather not hijack this thread with my response. If you want my ramblings, you can reach me at gregpainting@everestkc.net Hope your day is turning into a long weekend :-) Greg R I’m jotting out a few thots today,and will be able to e-mail tonight. I’d rather not hijack this thread with my response. If you want my ramblings, you can reach me at gregpainting@everestkc.net Hope your day is turning into a long weekend :-)

Greg R

]]> By: Katie http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-evangelical-liturgy-14-the-sermon/comment-page-1#comment-514399 Katie Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:22:28 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=4671#comment-514399 Right now I"m using "Feasting on the Word" but I also frequent a website http://www.textweek.com that has a lot of helpful resources. Right now I”m using “Feasting on the Word” but I also frequent a website http://www.textweek.com that has a lot of helpful resources.

]]> By: Katie http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-evangelical-liturgy-14-the-sermon/comment-page-1#comment-514398 Katie Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:21:39 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=4671#comment-514398 I'm always amazed at how the lectionary can and does speak to my congregational struggles. In the weeks after my state experienced devastating flooding we were overwhelmed in the lectionary by phrases like "be not afraid." I didn't have to go off of lectionary to speak to the needs of my people. In fact - it helped me to find God's word in a time in which the chaos of what was happening around us was overwhelming. I’m always amazed at how the lectionary can and does speak to my congregational struggles. In the weeks after my state experienced devastating flooding we were overwhelmed in the lectionary by phrases like “be not afraid.” I didn’t have to go off of lectionary to speak to the needs of my people. In fact – it helped me to find God’s word in a time in which the chaos of what was happening around us was overwhelming.

]]> By: Laura Short http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-evangelical-liturgy-14-the-sermon/comment-page-1#comment-514349 Laura Short Thu, 08 Oct 2009 03:14:18 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=4671#comment-514349 Thanks, Anna A, for taking a stab at my conundrum. Perhaps I should flesh out a little of my back-story. I'm a cradle Catholic. Baptised by a Monsignor in Holy Name Cathedral, Chicago. 12 years of Catholic School. A really good, loving Catholic Family, Parents and a beloved Pastor who actually taught me the Gospel. Hard to believe, I know... I learnt that Jesus is my (personal) Saviour who died for my sins as well as the Sin of the World. I made my First Communion in 1963, which makes me a Vatican II kid. I've stayed connected to the RC by occasionally attending Mass. I read lots of books, including John Shea, B16, Urs von Balthasar and others. I guess you could say I keep my finger in the Holy Water ;) Anyway, the Mass, for me, is way less complicated than Evangelical Worship because it's the same no matter where ya go...China, England, California. I like that. I may not know what language the responses are in, but I know the responses (even in Latin...1963, yeah?) The things from childhood are seldom forgotten. But I digress... Thank you for your help. I appreciate the love you obviously have for your Church Home; and, yes, the folk that have served me the Eucharist, both in the Catholic Church and, more recently in the Orthodox Church, always smile, look me in the eye, and, if they know me, call me by my name. I miss that. Greatly. My comment about the Mass (roteness, etc) was more to forestall anyone else possibly commenting on Catholicism and/or the Mass being that way. ;) I recognise that in it's familiarity, an insincere Catholic can readily disengage from Worship. But as the comments below indicate, so can an inattentive Evangelical when the chicken is in the oven at home and the Sermon goes a tad long... Thanks, Anna A, for taking a stab at my conundrum.

Perhaps I should flesh out a little of my back-story. I’m a cradle Catholic. Baptised by a Monsignor in Holy Name Cathedral, Chicago. 12 years of Catholic School. A really good, loving Catholic Family, Parents and a beloved Pastor who actually taught me the Gospel. Hard to believe, I know… I learnt that Jesus is my (personal) Saviour who died for my sins as well as the Sin of the World. I made my First Communion in 1963, which makes me a Vatican II kid.

I’ve stayed connected to the RC by occasionally attending Mass. I read lots of books, including John Shea, B16, Urs von Balthasar and others. I guess you could say I keep my finger in the Holy Water ;)

Anyway, the Mass, for me, is way less complicated than Evangelical Worship because it’s the same no matter where ya go…China, England, California. I like that. I may not know what language the responses are in, but I know the responses (even in Latin…1963, yeah?) The things from childhood are seldom forgotten.

But I digress…

Thank you for your help. I appreciate the love you obviously have for your Church Home; and, yes, the folk that have served me the Eucharist, both in the Catholic Church and, more recently in the Orthodox Church, always smile, look me in the eye, and, if they know me, call me by my name. I miss that. Greatly.

My comment about the Mass (roteness, etc) was more to forestall anyone else possibly commenting on Catholicism and/or the Mass being that way. ;) I recognise that in it’s familiarity, an insincere Catholic can readily disengage from Worship. But as the comments below indicate, so can an inattentive Evangelical when the chicken is in the oven at home and the Sermon goes a tad long…

]]> By: Jonathan Hunnicutt http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-evangelical-liturgy-14-the-sermon/comment-page-1#comment-514311 Jonathan Hunnicutt Wed, 07 Oct 2009 21:34:12 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=4671#comment-514311 http://news.aol.com/article/bible-too-liberal-conservatives-say-yes/706054?icid=main|main|dl4|link6|http%3A%2F%2Fnews.aol.com%2Farticle%2Fbible-too-liberal-conservatives-say-yes%2F706054 God forbid that the Bible should call into question the idolatry of our age. http://news.aol.com/article/bible-too-liberal-conservatives-say-yes/706054?icid=main|main|dl4|link6|http%3A%2F%2Fnews.aol.com%2Farticle%2Fbible-too-liberal-conservatives-say-yes%2F706054

God forbid that the Bible should call into question the idolatry of our age.

]]> By: greg r http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-evangelical-liturgy-14-the-sermon/comment-page-1#comment-514310 greg r Wed, 07 Oct 2009 21:30:43 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=4671#comment-514310 Cheerfully a handful of sincere believers have abstracted themselves from this religious practice and seek instead to engage in dialog over the Scriptures, their faith and their community. There is hope. anywhere near KC, Overland Park area ?? just wondering Greg R Cheerfully a handful of sincere believers have abstracted themselves from this religious practice and seek instead to engage in dialog over the Scriptures, their faith and their community. There is hope.

anywhere near KC, Overland Park area ?? just wondering

Greg R

]]> By: jasonthebaldguy http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-evangelical-liturgy-14-the-sermon/comment-page-1#comment-514304 jasonthebaldguy Wed, 07 Oct 2009 20:35:32 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=4671#comment-514304 ROFL!!! imonk for some reason this comment really cracked me up... just had to let you know... mebby it is partly your avatar in the corner.. I don't know.. but thanks for the laugh. ROFL!!! imonk for some reason this comment really cracked me up… just had to let you know… mebby it is partly your avatar in the corner.. I don’t know.. but thanks for the laugh.

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