Comments on: The Evangelical Liturgy 1: The Worship Setting http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-evangelical-liturgy-1-the-worship-setting ...dispatches from the post-evangelical wilderness Sun, 12 Feb 2012 09:14:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Travis Greene http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-evangelical-liturgy-1-the-worship-setting/comment-page-1#comment-510674 Travis Greene Fri, 11 Sep 2009 18:33:44 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=4137#comment-510674 Whether or not it's worth the fight is a difficult question. Disunity is a big problem. But so is idolatry. Whether or not it’s worth the fight is a difficult question. Disunity is a big problem. But so is idolatry.

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]]> By: Links to the Evangelical Liturgy Series (so Far) | internetmonk.com http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-evangelical-liturgy-1-the-worship-setting/comment-page-1#comment-507993 Links to the Evangelical Liturgy Series (so Far) | internetmonk.com Mon, 24 Aug 2009 01:00:29 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=4137#comment-507993 [...] 1) The Worship Setting 2) The Tools 3) The Leaders 4) The Congregation 5) The [...] [...] 1) The Worship Setting 2) The Tools 3) The Leaders 4) The Congregation 5) The [...]

]]> By: Fearsome Comrade http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-evangelical-liturgy-1-the-worship-setting/comment-page-1#comment-507486 Fearsome Comrade Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:33:06 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=4137#comment-507486 Fun fact: Lutherans introduced flags into the sanctuary during WWI. As many Lutherans were German-speaking at the time, they were under pressure to prove their patriotism. Fun fact: Lutherans introduced flags into the sanctuary during WWI. As many Lutherans were German-speaking at the time, they were under pressure to prove their patriotism.

]]> By: Northeasterner http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-evangelical-liturgy-1-the-worship-setting/comment-page-1#comment-507478 Northeasterner Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:39:52 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=4137#comment-507478 Kneelers would be nice, but my church doesn't have them. I put my kneecaps on the hardwood which is uncomfortable and awkward. Most of my congregation does not do this, but it helps draw my attention to the confession that my lips are speaking. Kneelers would be nice, but my church doesn’t have them. I put my kneecaps on the hardwood which is uncomfortable and awkward. Most of my congregation does not do this, but it helps draw my attention to the confession that my lips are speaking.

]]> By: Northeasterner http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-evangelical-liturgy-1-the-worship-setting/comment-page-1#comment-507476 Northeasterner Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:31:03 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=4137#comment-507476 I'm interested in how the "come to the altar" language became imbedded in a tradition that generally frowns on the term "altar." I sense that the Baptist definition of the term does not exactly apply to the table from which the Lord's Supper is served, but refers (as earlier commenters mentioned) to the general area of the stage, or the rail. I would welcome some historical education on this! I’m interested in how the “come to the altar” language became imbedded in a tradition that generally frowns on the term “altar.” I sense that the Baptist definition of the term does not exactly apply to the table from which the Lord’s Supper is served, but refers (as earlier commenters mentioned) to the general area of the stage, or the rail.

I would welcome some historical education on this!

]]> By: Northeasterner http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-evangelical-liturgy-1-the-worship-setting/comment-page-1#comment-507475 Northeasterner Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:28:03 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=4137#comment-507475 I agree. We have U.S. and "Christian" flags in our otherwise very traditional Lutheran nave. Any suggestions on how to remove these flags without sparking a major row among our older members? Removing them may just not be worth the fight. I agree. We have U.S. and “Christian” flags in our otherwise very traditional Lutheran nave.

Any suggestions on how to remove these flags without sparking a major row among our older members? Removing them may just not be worth the fight.

]]> By: Derek http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-evangelical-liturgy-1-the-worship-setting/comment-page-1#comment-507461 Derek Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:37:22 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=4137#comment-507461 The evangelical church I most recently attended had flags. US and Christian. And during "missions emphasis" weeks, they put little paper flags all around the cross (plain wood, nicely stained cross that was over the Baptismal Tub. At one point in time, it was either the Christian flag or another one that stood taller than the US flag. I confess I reminded the leadership of the US Flag Code. The US flag is to stand taller and be to the one side of the other, either separate or together. Looking back, the US flag had no place in the auditorium. Of course, neither did the Christian flag. It's an icon. The worship band was called the "worship team" because 'band' sounded "entertainy". The youth group's band took center stage during youth meetings, but the Sunday AM band had to be off to the side. Just not a lot of consistancy in the use of sacred space. Of course, I don't believe that the space itself is sacred. I'm sure Monk will probably turn on mod after this, but when the curtain tore top-down, not only were we given freedom to enter the Holy of Holies, but God, Himself, came out to join men and women and work among us. Rob Bell comments in a recent sermon about the fact that Jesus is in the common and too often we place premium on space, time, and money (including professions) while discounting other space, time, and money building the Kingdom outside of the sacred space. Michael, I'm just getting going on this series, but it looks really good and I look forward to reading along to the end. The evangelical church I most recently attended had flags. US and Christian. And during “missions emphasis” weeks, they put little paper flags all around the cross (plain wood, nicely stained cross that was over the Baptismal Tub. At one point in time, it was either the Christian flag or another one that stood taller than the US flag. I confess I reminded the leadership of the US Flag Code. The US flag is to stand taller and be to the one side of the other, either separate or together.

Looking back, the US flag had no place in the auditorium. Of course, neither did the Christian flag. It’s an icon.

The worship band was called the “worship team” because ‘band’ sounded “entertainy”. The youth group’s band took center stage during youth meetings, but the Sunday AM band had to be off to the side. Just not a lot of consistancy in the use of sacred space.

Of course, I don’t believe that the space itself is sacred. I’m sure Monk will probably turn on mod after this, but when the curtain tore top-down, not only were we given freedom to enter the Holy of Holies, but God, Himself, came out to join men and women and work among us.

Rob Bell comments in a recent sermon about the fact that Jesus is in the common and too often we place premium on space, time, and money (including professions) while discounting other space, time, and money building the Kingdom outside of the sacred space.

Michael, I’m just getting going on this series, but it looks really good and I look forward to reading along to the end.

]]> By: Justin http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-evangelical-liturgy-1-the-worship-setting/comment-page-1#comment-507408 Justin Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:11:39 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=4137#comment-507408 Thank you. That was helpful in understanding where you are going in this. Speaking for myself, I guess... Thank you. That was helpful in understanding where you are going in this. Speaking for myself, I guess…

]]> By: iMonk http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-evangelical-liturgy-1-the-worship-setting/comment-page-1#comment-507407 iMonk Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:48:45 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=4137#comment-507407 Space dedicated to what is sacred. Wrigley Field= sacred space. Not the only place the sacred appears, but where our primary purpose is to meet and recognize the sacred. If you say that everything is sacred it's a recognition of one kind of truth. If you say nothing is sacred, it's another. Somewhere in the middle is the recognition that even the new covenant recognizes that the gathering of believers is a different purpose than a gathering of fishermen. God is at both, but one is dedicated to the purpose of hearing and worshiping God. A sacred space is a space that we dedicate to the work of worship, or contemplation, or prayer. I have a sacred space in my classroom. We have several on our campus. It's not bounding God, it's intentionally recognizing God. Space dedicated to what is sacred.

Wrigley Field= sacred space.

Not the only place the sacred appears, but where our primary purpose is to meet and recognize the sacred.

If you say that everything is sacred it’s a recognition of one kind of truth. If you say nothing is sacred, it’s another. Somewhere in the middle is the recognition that even the new covenant recognizes that the gathering of believers is a different purpose than a gathering of fishermen. God is at both, but one is dedicated to the purpose of hearing and worshiping God.

A sacred space is a space that we dedicate to the work of worship, or contemplation, or prayer.

I have a sacred space in my classroom. We have several on our campus. It’s not bounding God, it’s intentionally recognizing God.

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