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	<title>Comments on: Ten Things&#8230;and Ten More things: How To Turn Me Into A Democrat</title>
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	<description>...dispatches from the post-evangelical wilderness</description>
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		<title>By: imonk</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/ten-thingsand-ten-more-things-how-to-turn-me-into-a-democrat/comment-page-1#comment-597</link>
		<dc:creator>imonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an excellent link on how the Democrats just ditched the Pro life Catholics in their party.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft0501/opinion/mcgurn.htm&quot;&gt;http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft0501/opinion/mcgurn.htm&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an excellent link on how the Democrats just ditched the Pro life Catholics in their party.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft0501/opinion/mcgurn.htm">http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft0501/opinion/mcgurn.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jason S. Evans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason S. Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be an FDR-style emocrat or a Pro-Life Libertarian before I would be a modern Democrat.  I dislike the republicans for the same reasons that you do, but the abortion issue is too big to ignore, and right now, they are the only ones that are willing to take any kind of stand against that issue.  If it were up to me, you could marry your boyfriend, girlfriend or pet goat if we could just have Roe v. Wade overturned and adoption legislation rewritten once and for all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be an FDR-style emocrat or a Pro-Life Libertarian before I would be a modern Democrat.  I dislike the republicans for the same reasons that you do, but the abortion issue is too big to ignore, and right now, they are the only ones that are willing to take any kind of stand against that issue.  If it were up to me, you could marry your boyfriend, girlfriend or pet goat if we could just have Roe v. Wade overturned and adoption legislation rewritten once and for all.</p>
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		<title>By: Columcille</title>
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		<dc:creator>Columcille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why look for the democrats to change in order to accomodate what you are looking for, rather than seeking change in your own party? Neither are really all that likely to change, so why hope the other changes to your liking instead of what you&#039;re in?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why look for the democrats to change in order to accomodate what you are looking for, rather than seeking change in your own party? Neither are really all that likely to change, so why hope the other changes to your liking instead of what you&#8217;re in?</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Mann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell Mann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good political article.  I was raised by Democrats and socialists, and could return to that system, should the party broaden its tentpegs.  As it is, the right is going more right, and the left is going more left.  There&#039;s little left in the middle for those of us who consistantly care about people and take a long term view of that care.  I find myself voting more out of protest than anything else.  I rarely vote for someone, it is mostly an &quot;against&quot; vote on my ballot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good political article.  I was raised by Democrats and socialists, and could return to that system, should the party broaden its tentpegs.  As it is, the right is going more right, and the left is going more left.  There&#8217;s little left in the middle for those of us who consistantly care about people and take a long term view of that care.  I find myself voting more out of protest than anything else.  I rarely vote for someone, it is mostly an &#8220;against&#8221; vote on my ballot.</p>
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		<title>By: imonk</title>
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		<dc:creator>imonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just a column ya&#039;ll :-) Something for the Dems to think about. I&#039;m not losing sleep over it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just a column ya&#8217;ll <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Something for the Dems to think about. I&#8217;m not losing sleep over it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan McKeever</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan McKeever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;how about buying us lunch and treating us as the potential customer?&quot;  You&#039;re joking right?  Ha, Ha.  Ha,Ha.....uh, ha, ha.  Consumer politics don&#039;t work, just ask the ancient Greeks.  Hmmm...maybe that&#039;s why we&#039;re having such a bother here in America.  I think the best idea has already been provided i.e. prophetic challenge must first come from within the system(if the community rejects it, God is just).  Ask not what your political party can do for you, but what sacrifice can one make on behalf of one&#039;s community.  Otherwise, I think you have sufficiently distilled the political stye, and why it is so tired.  There is no longer dialogue, but diatribe.  A two party system was supposed to engender discussion, helping better solutions come from confusing situations.  However, in our western american self-centered individualism, we have stifled the needs of others for our own concerns and justification.  Oh why, oh why don&#039;t we study the old testament prophets more?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;how about buying us lunch and treating us as the potential customer?&#8221;  You&#8217;re joking right?  Ha, Ha.  Ha,Ha&#8230;..uh, ha, ha.  Consumer politics don&#8217;t work, just ask the ancient Greeks.  Hmmm&#8230;maybe that&#8217;s why we&#8217;re having such a bother here in America.  I think the best idea has already been provided i.e. prophetic challenge must first come from within the system(if the community rejects it, God is just).  Ask not what your political party can do for you, but what sacrifice can one make on behalf of one&#8217;s community.  Otherwise, I think you have sufficiently distilled the political stye, and why it is so tired.  There is no longer dialogue, but diatribe.  A two party system was supposed to engender discussion, helping better solutions come from confusing situations.  However, in our western american self-centered individualism, we have stifled the needs of others for our own concerns and justification.  Oh why, oh why don&#8217;t we study the old testament prophets more?</p>
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		<title>By: One Salient Oversight</title>
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		<dc:creator>One Salient Oversight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The link between conservative Christian faith and market economics has been around ever since the Cold War, where the &quot;Atheist commies&quot; supposedly sought to destroy freedom around the world.&quot;

&quot;It is due to this link that Evangelicals have generally embraced Neoliberal economic thinking. As a result, while many Evangelicals vote for political parties that fit their ethical framework, they are also voting for parties that promote smaller government spending and more personal freedom.&quot;

&quot;Pro-choice advocates argue that while evangelicals oppose abortion, they do not support any state-sponsored welfare spending either. This is important, because there appears to be evidence to show that nations which have permissive abortion laws as well as generous welfare spending actually have less abortions per capita.&quot;

&quot;In practice, while evangelicals may argue that a woman who is pregnant due to rape should not terminate the foetus but be supported to look after the child, the fact is that many evangelicals support a political and economic system that prevents this support from taking place.&quot;

&quot;Many evangelicals assume that neoliberal economic policies are actually part of the Christian faith. Raising taxes and spending them on sex education and supporting single mothers could ensure that a &quot;safety net&quot; exists that helps prevent women from having abortions in the first place.&quot;

&quot;It could be argued that evangelicals, by aligning themselves with political parties that espouse neoliberal economics, actually cause more abortions to occur simply because of the lack of state support that many argue women need.&quot;

&quot;The Apostle Paul commanded the church to pay taxes and be submissive to the authorities (Romans 13:1-7), even though the authorities he was referring to was the corrupt militaristic, pagan dictatorship of the Roman Empire.&quot;

from
&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_and_Evangelical_Christians&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_and_Evangelical_Christians&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The link between conservative Christian faith and market economics has been around ever since the Cold War, where the &#8220;Atheist commies&#8221; supposedly sought to destroy freedom around the world.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;It is due to this link that Evangelicals have generally embraced Neoliberal economic thinking. As a result, while many Evangelicals vote for political parties that fit their ethical framework, they are also voting for parties that promote smaller government spending and more personal freedom.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Pro-choice advocates argue that while evangelicals oppose abortion, they do not support any state-sponsored welfare spending either. This is important, because there appears to be evidence to show that nations which have permissive abortion laws as well as generous welfare spending actually have less abortions per capita.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;In practice, while evangelicals may argue that a woman who is pregnant due to rape should not terminate the foetus but be supported to look after the child, the fact is that many evangelicals support a political and economic system that prevents this support from taking place.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Many evangelicals assume that neoliberal economic policies are actually part of the Christian faith. Raising taxes and spending them on sex education and supporting single mothers could ensure that a &#8220;safety net&#8221; exists that helps prevent women from having abortions in the first place.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;It could be argued that evangelicals, by aligning themselves with political parties that espouse neoliberal economics, actually cause more abortions to occur simply because of the lack of state support that many argue women need.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The Apostle Paul commanded the church to pay taxes and be submissive to the authorities (<a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=Romans+13%3A1-7" class="bibleref" title="ESV Romans 13:1-7">Romans 13:1-7</a>), even though the authorities he was referring to was the corrupt militaristic, pagan dictatorship of the Roman Empire.&#8221;</p>
<p>from<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_and_Evangelical_Christians">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_and_Evangelical_Christians</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jack Heald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Heald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Puh-leeze.

So if they&#039;ll just dress nice and say the right words, you&#039;ll hop into bed with the Democrats? Uh-huh. You&#039;re smarter than that.

Do you really think the best way to tell the Elephants to pull their collective heads out of their collective hind-parts is to threaten to join the other party? Hey, maybe it&#039;ll work.

Here&#039;s a different thought:

The whole &quot;Left-Right Dichotomy&quot; is completely bogus. Both the Donkeys and the Elephants believe in the over-arching authority of the State above all else. Both are committed to the increase of State power at the expense of individual liberty. I refuse to support ANY political organization that actively works to enslave me. That is EXACTLY the path that both Donkeys and Republicans are pursuing. Count me out.

BTW - the Republicans are not merely ACTING like they are printing money in the basement, they are ACTUALLY printing money in the basement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Puh-leeze.</p>
<p>So if they&#8217;ll just dress nice and say the right words, you&#8217;ll hop into bed with the Democrats? Uh-huh. You&#8217;re smarter than that.</p>
<p>Do you really think the best way to tell the Elephants to pull their collective heads out of their collective hind-parts is to threaten to join the other party? Hey, maybe it&#8217;ll work.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a different thought:</p>
<p>The whole &#8220;Left-Right Dichotomy&#8221; is completely bogus. Both the Donkeys and the Elephants believe in the over-arching authority of the State above all else. Both are committed to the increase of State power at the expense of individual liberty. I refuse to support ANY political organization that actively works to enslave me. That is EXACTLY the path that both Donkeys and Republicans are pursuing. Count me out.</p>
<p>BTW &#8211; the Republicans are not merely ACTING like they are printing money in the basement, they are ACTUALLY printing money in the basement.</p>
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		<title>By: imonk</title>
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		<dc:creator>imonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Oh Puh-leeze. So if they&#039;ll just dress nice and say the right words, you&#039;ll hop into bed with the Democrats? Uh-huh. You&#039;re smarter than that.

I am. I also am not saying that I am going to jump in bed with the Dems. But I would vote for the right candidate. I might even vote for a Libertarian Anarchist if he would run at the local level and show he is worthy of consideration for something else. Of course, I can&#039;t ever find any Libertarians except on the internet :-)

People people PEOPLE! It&#039;s just a column!! Geeez!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>Oh Puh-leeze. So if they&#8217;ll just dress nice and say the right words, you&#8217;ll hop into bed with the Democrats? Uh-huh. You&#8217;re smarter than that.</p>
<p>I am. I also am not saying that I am going to jump in bed with the Dems. But I would vote for the right candidate. I might even vote for a Libertarian Anarchist if he would run at the local level and show he is worthy of consideration for something else. Of course, I can&#8217;t ever find any Libertarians except on the internet <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>People people PEOPLE! It&#8217;s just a column!! Geeez!!</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I read this, my first thought was that you are saying that this is the way you could be lured to the Democratic Party:

1. If Republicans keep drifting away from Republican principles.
2. If Democrats adopt Republican principles.

Basically, you will become a Democrat when Democrats become true Republicans.  I guess I would do the same thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I read this, my first thought was that you are saying that this is the way you could be lured to the Democratic Party:</p>
<p>1. If Republicans keep drifting away from Republican principles.<br />
2. If Democrats adopt Republican principles.</p>
<p>Basically, you will become a Democrat when Democrats become true Republicans.  I guess I would do the same thing.</p>
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