Comments on: Standing on My Own Trap Door? or “I’ll Take My Christocentric Theology To Go, Thank You.” http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/standing-on-my-own-trap-door-or-ill-take-my-christocentric-theology-to-go-thank-you ...dispatches from the post-evangelical wilderness Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:43:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Truth Unites... and Divides http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/standing-on-my-own-trap-door-or-ill-take-my-christocentric-theology-to-go-thank-you/comment-page-2#comment-164017 Truth Unites... and Divides Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:31:40 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/standing-on-my-own-trap-door-or-ill-take-my-christocentric-theology-to-go-thank-you#comment-164017 “What I am saying is this: it may actually be God’s sovereignty that brings about division over the doctrine of God’s sovereignty! This does not mean that wrong belief is always justified. Neither does it mean that we need to be content with agnosticism or lessen our conviction about any doctrinal issue. <b>To the contrary. It means that we engage in it more vigorously than we did before, being confident that God has a dignifying reason for conflict resulting from diversity.</b>” I appreciate the perspective offered by C. Michael Patton in his blog post: <b><i>"Doctrinal Disagreement to the Glory of God"</b></i> over at Parchment and Pen. http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2007/12/02/doctrinal-disagreement-to-the-glory-of-god “What I am saying is this: it may actually be God’s sovereignty that brings about division over the doctrine of God’s sovereignty! This does not mean that wrong belief is always justified. Neither does it mean that we need to be content with agnosticism or lessen our conviction about any doctrinal issue. To the contrary. It means that we engage in it more vigorously than we did before, being confident that God has a dignifying reason for conflict resulting from diversity.”

I appreciate the perspective offered by C. Michael Patton in his blog post: “Doctrinal Disagreement to the Glory of God” over at Parchment and Pen.

http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2007/12/02/doctrinal-disagreement-to-the-glory-of-god

]]> By: nancy http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/standing-on-my-own-trap-door-or-ill-take-my-christocentric-theology-to-go-thank-you/comment-page-2#comment-163873 nancy Mon, 03 Dec 2007 02:23:04 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/standing-on-my-own-trap-door-or-ill-take-my-christocentric-theology-to-go-thank-you#comment-163873 i sure do love Jesus ! :-) i sure do love Jesus ! :-)

]]> By: Truth Unites... and Divides http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/standing-on-my-own-trap-door-or-ill-take-my-christocentric-theology-to-go-thank-you/comment-page-2#comment-163859 Truth Unites... and Divides Mon, 03 Dec 2007 02:01:32 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/standing-on-my-own-trap-door-or-ill-take-my-christocentric-theology-to-go-thank-you#comment-163859 Chad Winters, Please look at my 11/29/07 comment at 9:16pm. I wrote: "Jared expresses why I winced on rare occasions during my reading of MS’s generally good essay." <b> Generally good essay. </b> "I’m sorry, I’m not trying to be offend." I appreciate the advance apology. Because despite your claim of not trying, you most certainly did offend. Chad Winters,

Please look at my 11/29/07 comment at 9:16pm. I wrote: “Jared expresses why I winced on rare occasions during my reading of MS’s generally good essay.”

Generally good essay.

“I’m sorry, I’m not trying to be offend.”

I appreciate the advance apology. Because despite your claim of not trying, you most certainly did offend.

]]> By: Chad Winters http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/standing-on-my-own-trap-door-or-ill-take-my-christocentric-theology-to-go-thank-you/comment-page-2#comment-163707 Chad Winters Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:05:07 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/standing-on-my-own-trap-door-or-ill-take-my-christocentric-theology-to-go-thank-you#comment-163707 Truth Unites... and Divides: Can you really not see that you're habit of constant debate illustrates what motivates posts like this. Just once I'd like to see you respond only with: "I can really see where you're coming from and you made me think. You have a good point." I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be offend. The point is there is a time to debate, and a time to empathize, a time to understand. If someone is spouting clear heresy, by all means, debate them. But if an obviously clear thinking believer discusses how he feels, within orhtodoxy, it should not spark a polemic argument. Benny Hinn needs correction, I would have a hard time not being polemic in his commbox. But I don't think Michael needed correcting here. That's how I see it anyway Truth Unites… and Divides:

Can you really not see that you’re habit of constant debate illustrates what motivates posts like this.

Just once I’d like to see you respond only with:

“I can really see where you’re coming from and you made me think. You have a good point.”

I’m sorry, I’m not trying to be offend. The point is there is a time to debate, and a time to empathize, a time to understand.

If someone is spouting clear heresy, by all means, debate them. But if an obviously clear thinking believer discusses how he feels, within orhtodoxy, it should not spark a polemic argument.

Benny Hinn needs correction, I would have a hard time not being polemic in his commbox. But I don’t think Michael needed correcting here.

That’s how I see it anyway

]]> By: Bob Spencer http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/standing-on-my-own-trap-door-or-ill-take-my-christocentric-theology-to-go-thank-you/comment-page-1#comment-163690 Bob Spencer Sun, 02 Dec 2007 14:23:33 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/standing-on-my-own-trap-door-or-ill-take-my-christocentric-theology-to-go-thank-you#comment-163690 Really, really excellent. This is something we have to carry around with us and repeatedly recall, or we will start preening ourselves before the funhouse mirror of our own theological sideshow. Thanks for the "reality check." Really, really excellent. This is something we have to carry around with us and repeatedly recall, or we will start preening ourselves before the funhouse mirror of our own theological sideshow. Thanks for the “reality check.”

]]> By: Brendt http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/standing-on-my-own-trap-door-or-ill-take-my-christocentric-theology-to-go-thank-you/comment-page-1#comment-163687 Brendt Sun, 02 Dec 2007 14:11:05 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/standing-on-my-own-trap-door-or-ill-take-my-christocentric-theology-to-go-thank-you#comment-163687 You are all blessed by the fact that I'm reading this right before church and so I don't have time to type a long, admiring treatise. ;-) So, I'll just say two things: 1) Michael, wow! Way to go! Stunning (in a good sense) post! 2) Part of what you wrote, reminded me of something that Rich Mullins used to say: "I don't think the Bible was given to us to prove that we are right. I think the Bible was given to us to prove that GOD is right, and the rest of us are just guessing." (That quote, BTW, is off the top of my head. So I may not have the wording exactly right.) You are all blessed by the fact that I’m reading this right before church and so I don’t have time to type a long, admiring treatise. ;-)

So, I’ll just say two things:

1) Michael, wow! Way to go! Stunning (in a good sense) post!

2) Part of what you wrote, reminded me of something that Rich Mullins used to say: “I don’t think the Bible was given to us to prove that we are right. I think the Bible was given to us to prove that GOD is right, and the rest of us are just guessing.”

(That quote, BTW, is off the top of my head. So I may not have the wording exactly right.)

]]> By: rootsman http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/standing-on-my-own-trap-door-or-ill-take-my-christocentric-theology-to-go-thank-you/comment-page-1#comment-163285 rootsman Sat, 01 Dec 2007 11:14:13 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/standing-on-my-own-trap-door-or-ill-take-my-christocentric-theology-to-go-thank-you#comment-163285 I am on a journey - raised as protestant/evangelical/charismatic/word-of-faith/... but now bending more and more towards orthodoxy. I started to read the early fathers, and that gave me a lot of answers to the questions generated by the "postevangelical wilderness" ;-) I will also recommend the link proposed by "Brad in KY". I like your posts, and read them regularly... My best regards from Norway. I am on a journey – raised as protestant/evangelical/charismatic/word-of-faith/… but now bending more and more towards orthodoxy. I started to read the early fathers, and that gave me a lot of answers to the questions generated by the “postevangelical wilderness” ;-)

I will also recommend the link proposed by “Brad in KY”.

I like your posts, and read them regularly…

My best regards from Norway.

]]> By: Truth Unites... and Divides http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/standing-on-my-own-trap-door-or-ill-take-my-christocentric-theology-to-go-thank-you/comment-page-1#comment-163225 Truth Unites... and Divides Sat, 01 Dec 2007 06:17:49 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/standing-on-my-own-trap-door-or-ill-take-my-christocentric-theology-to-go-thank-you#comment-163225 Take a look in your heart WebMonk. Take a look in your heart WebMonk.

]]> By: Mike Morrell http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/standing-on-my-own-trap-door-or-ill-take-my-christocentric-theology-to-go-thank-you/comment-page-1#comment-163217 Mike Morrell Sat, 01 Dec 2007 05:54:00 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/standing-on-my-own-trap-door-or-ill-take-my-christocentric-theology-to-go-thank-you#comment-163217 Excellent post, Michael. Sounds like you need some new e-friends! So many people here seem to take themselves so very seriously. <a href="http://zoecarnate.wordpress.com/2007/09/03/gutless-grace-girlieman-inspires-po-motivatorsstory-at-11/" rel="nofollow">I can relate</a>. Excellent post, Michael. Sounds like you need some new e-friends! So many people here seem to take themselves so very seriously. I can relate.

]]> By: Jeff http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/standing-on-my-own-trap-door-or-ill-take-my-christocentric-theology-to-go-thank-you/comment-page-1#comment-163204 Jeff Sat, 01 Dec 2007 03:38:24 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/standing-on-my-own-trap-door-or-ill-take-my-christocentric-theology-to-go-thank-you#comment-163204 I just love it that, re: the quote at the top of Michael's post, the most polemical of Catholic figures -- we would think -- says we should start from trying to presume good faith on the part of our disputant counterparts, rather than assume any questioner or challenger is an apostate until directly claimed otherwise. That's all i'm sayin' . . . I just love it that, re: the quote at the top of Michael’s post, the most polemical of Catholic figures — we would think — says we should start from trying to presume good faith on the part of our disputant counterparts, rather than assume any questioner or challenger is an apostate until directly claimed otherwise.

That’s all i’m sayin’ . . .

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