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		<title>By: Two-Sheds Gomer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Two-Sheds Gomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 04:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two smart-aleck comments and one real one:

&lt;i&gt;we were fundamentalistic Southern Baptists&lt;/i&gt;

Dude, you were just pretenders to fundamentalism. I grew up as an &lt;b&gt;independent&lt;/b&gt; Baptist -- those Southern Baptists were way too liberal. ;-)

&lt;i&gt;Lottie Moon offering&lt;/i&gt;

If you&#039;ve ever heard, &quot;Who is this Lottie Moon lady, and will she ever be paid off?&quot;, you might be a Southern Baptist.

And now for the serious one: Saw Bryan Duncan in concert many years ago (when he came out with his Christmas album). He reminded us that no amount of man&#039;s efforts, even in those things that demean of the holiday can outweigh what God did (i.e. what it really means), and therefore we ought to enjoy it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two smart-aleck comments and one real one:</p>
<p><i>we were fundamentalistic Southern Baptists</i></p>
<p>Dude, you were just pretenders to fundamentalism. I grew up as an <b>independent</b> Baptist &#8212; those Southern Baptists were way too liberal. <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><i>Lottie Moon offering</i></p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve ever heard, &#8220;Who is this Lottie Moon lady, and will she ever be paid off?&#8221;, you might be a Southern Baptist.</p>
<p>And now for the serious one: Saw Bryan Duncan in concert many years ago (when he came out with his Christmas album). He reminded us that no amount of man&#8217;s efforts, even in those things that demean of the holiday can outweigh what God did (i.e. what it really means), and therefore we ought to enjoy it all.</p>
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		<title>By: UGADAWG47</title>
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		<dc:creator>UGADAWG47</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 00:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And please quit calling it persecution because store ABC says &quot;Happy Holidays&quot; instead of &quot;Merry Christmas.&quot;  Ask the Christians of North Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Vietnam as well as various other places what persecution really is.  Here is an idea, instead of boycotting store ABC, go there to shop.  Even though the clerk or cashier or salesperson isn&#039;t allowed to tell you &quot;Merry Christmas,&quot; you can say it to him or her.  It may well make his/her day, and it can be a good witness also.  

It does strike me as somewhat amazing that many Evangelicals complain about the commercialization of Christmas and then want to boycott businesses that decommercialize Christmas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And please quit calling it persecution because store ABC says &#8220;Happy Holidays&#8221; instead of &#8220;Merry Christmas.&#8221;  Ask the Christians of North Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Vietnam as well as various other places what persecution really is.  Here is an idea, instead of boycotting store ABC, go there to shop.  Even though the clerk or cashier or salesperson isn&#8217;t allowed to tell you &#8220;Merry Christmas,&#8221; you can say it to him or her.  It may well make his/her day, and it can be a good witness also.  </p>
<p>It does strike me as somewhat amazing that many Evangelicals complain about the commercialization of Christmas and then want to boycott businesses that decommercialize Christmas.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 16:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s funny how we pick and choose what we&#039;ll apply Christianity to. Take the Christmas tree, for example. Taken from the Druid new year festivities. Now ours, and even used to proclaim the message. But the advent. That must be bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny how we pick and choose what we&#8217;ll apply Christianity to. Take the Christmas tree, for example. Taken from the Druid new year festivities. Now ours, and even used to proclaim the message. But the advent. That must be bad.</p>
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		<title>By: davesumner</title>
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		<dc:creator>davesumner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 13:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Michael,

I&#039;m sorry, this reply doesn&#039;t have anything to do with the post. Please forgive me. 

I just wanted to say that I really like the new &quot;look&quot;, you&#039;ve done a great job!

Although, It will take some time for me to get used to not seeing the cool looking parish building. :(

I would just like to make a comment though and please don&#039;t take this as criticism. It&#039;s just a suggestion. 

Now I realize that you put yourself in the line of fire with your bold subject matter and I know that it can be hard sometimes running your own blog, being in ministry and being the head of a family. 

Believe me, I know. 

But I would just like to suggest this..... I &quot;feel&quot; and &quot;think&quot; that the &quot;first appearance&quot; of your main page would be so much more encouraging if you would be smiling in your profile pic. :)

Right now, it looks like your really mad. I know this sounds silly and it might be, but I enjoy your blog and I know you have a lot of traffic and I just thought that maybe people would like to see the &quot;happy&quot; and &quot;loving&quot; side of you. 

In His grace,

Dave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Michael,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, this reply doesn&#8217;t have anything to do with the post. Please forgive me. </p>
<p>I just wanted to say that I really like the new &#8220;look&#8221;, you&#8217;ve done a great job!</p>
<p>Although, It will take some time for me to get used to not seeing the cool looking parish building. <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I would just like to make a comment though and please don&#8217;t take this as criticism. It&#8217;s just a suggestion. </p>
<p>Now I realize that you put yourself in the line of fire with your bold subject matter and I know that it can be hard sometimes running your own blog, being in ministry and being the head of a family. </p>
<p>Believe me, I know. </p>
<p>But I would just like to suggest this&#8230;.. I &#8220;feel&#8221; and &#8220;think&#8221; that the &#8220;first appearance&#8221; of your main page would be so much more encouraging if you would be smiling in your profile pic. <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Right now, it looks like your really mad. I know this sounds silly and it might be, but I enjoy your blog and I know you have a lot of traffic and I just thought that maybe people would like to see the &#8220;happy&#8221; and &#8220;loving&#8221; side of you. </p>
<p>In His grace,</p>
<p>Dave.</p>
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		<title>By: rustyhinges</title>
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		<dc:creator>rustyhinges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 22:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that we Christians are great at applying out rules (life in the kingdom) to everyone else. Therefore, we rail against the darkness at key times of the year, more so at Christmas, because the world doesn&#039;t behave like they should. 

I kind of thought we should expect to be different that the world. Why not be what we are&#8230; salt, light, and an attracting influence because of what we stand for, not just against?

The early success of faith in America has led to complacency and the expectation that we&#039;ll be accepted everywhere we set our foot. This was not the expectation of Christ and his early followers. They knew that persecution and defiance would come. They expected it and rejoiced over it. It validated their faith.

I believe we must cleanse ourselves of the expectation that America will behave in a Christian way. I believe only Christ&#039;s followers will behave in a Chris-like way. When that happens we might just be a light in darkness once again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that we Christians are great at applying out rules (life in the kingdom) to everyone else. Therefore, we rail against the darkness at key times of the year, more so at Christmas, because the world doesn&#8217;t behave like they should. </p>
<p>I kind of thought we should expect to be different that the world. Why not be what we are&hellip; salt, light, and an attracting influence because of what we stand for, not just against?</p>
<p>The early success of faith in America has led to complacency and the expectation that we&#8217;ll be accepted everywhere we set our foot. This was not the expectation of Christ and his early followers. They knew that persecution and defiance would come. They expected it and rejoiced over it. It validated their faith.</p>
<p>I believe we must cleanse ourselves of the expectation that America will behave in a Christian way. I believe only Christ&#8217;s followers will behave in a Chris-like way. When that happens we might just be a light in darkness once again.</p>
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		<title>By: coderforchrist</title>
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		<dc:creator>coderforchrist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 20:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Basically, what I was referring to was how the &quot;Christmas Season&quot; has been anticipated so far as to almost completely overshadow Advent. The &quot;Advent Season&quot; has become the &quot;Christmas Season&quot; and the &quot;Christmas Season,&quot; which occurs between Christmas and Epiphany (if I recall correctly) is pretty much nonexistant.

Rather than the Advent season of repentance and perperation, we have the &quot;Christmas season&quot; of celebration and feasting. Or, as a friend of mine pointed out, there&#039;s something silly about demanding that shopping centers say &quot;Merry Christmas&quot; during Advent.

Really, I guess I&#039;m just a little annoyed because I&#039;ve recently begun to incorporate the Church Year into my life more, and I&#039;ve found it to be very helpful in making my faith more real, and I&#039;m thinking, &quot;Why wasn&#039;t I told about this sooner?&quot; This sort of thing is kept from thousands of Christians for no reason other than that it&#039;s &quot;not in the Bible&quot; (and it&#039;s associated with Roman Catholicism).

And, all that besides, without Advent and Christmastide, &quot;The 12 Days of Christmas&quot; doesn&#039;t really make any sense...

Above, I was trying to say all of that in a more concise, and more humorous way (by revising the common lament of &quot;taking Christ out of Christmas&quot;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basically, what I was referring to was how the &#8220;Christmas Season&#8221; has been anticipated so far as to almost completely overshadow Advent. The &#8220;Advent Season&#8221; has become the &#8220;Christmas Season&#8221; and the &#8220;Christmas Season,&#8221; which occurs between Christmas and Epiphany (if I recall correctly) is pretty much nonexistant.</p>
<p>Rather than the Advent season of repentance and perperation, we have the &#8220;Christmas season&#8221; of celebration and feasting. Or, as a friend of mine pointed out, there&#8217;s something silly about demanding that shopping centers say &#8220;Merry Christmas&#8221; during Advent.</p>
<p>Really, I guess I&#8217;m just a little annoyed because I&#8217;ve recently begun to incorporate the Church Year into my life more, and I&#8217;ve found it to be very helpful in making my faith more real, and I&#8217;m thinking, &#8220;Why wasn&#8217;t I told about this sooner?&#8221; This sort of thing is kept from thousands of Christians for no reason other than that it&#8217;s &#8220;not in the Bible&#8221; (and it&#8217;s associated with Roman Catholicism).</p>
<p>And, all that besides, without Advent and Christmastide, &#8220;The 12 Days of Christmas&#8221; doesn&#8217;t really make any sense&#8230;</p>
<p>Above, I was trying to say all of that in a more concise, and more humorous way (by revising the common lament of &#8220;taking Christ out of Christmas&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 19:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huh?</p>
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		<title>By: coderforchrist</title>
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		<dc:creator>coderforchrist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 19:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m grumpy that we took Advent out of Christmas...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m grumpy that we took Advent out of Christmas&#8230;</p>
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