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	<title>Comments on: Russ Moore on The Lord&#8217;s Supper</title>
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	<description>...dispatches from the post-evangelical wilderness</description>
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		<title>By: Russell Moore: &#8220;What happens when you bite on this bread?&#8221; at A Brick in the Valley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell Moore: &#8220;What happens when you bite on this bread?&#8221; at A Brick in the Valley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 10:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: キャッシング</title>
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		<dc:creator>キャッシング</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: iMonk</title>
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		<dc:creator>iMonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 17:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And he won&#039;t be &quot;where&quot; until he&#039;s a Catholic or a Lutheran?

I post these things so that non-Baptists can understand our view, not agree with it. And we&#039;re aware that we don&#039;t have an identical sacramental view or articulate the presence of Christ as you guys do. Mutual understanding. We aren&#039;t looking for how &quot;close&quot; or &quot;far&quot; we are. We accept the differences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And he won&#8217;t be &#8220;where&#8221; until he&#8217;s a Catholic or a Lutheran?</p>
<p>I post these things so that non-Baptists can understand our view, not agree with it. And we&#8217;re aware that we don&#8217;t have an identical sacramental view or articulate the presence of Christ as you guys do. Mutual understanding. We aren&#8217;t looking for how &#8220;close&#8221; or &#8220;far&#8221; we are. We accept the differences.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 17:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s so close--so close, but not there yet.  On the right track.  He needs to delve deeper.  Maybe read the church fathers too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s so close&#8211;so close, but not there yet.  On the right track.  He needs to delve deeper.  Maybe read the church fathers too?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Svoboda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Svoboda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 00:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saya,

What makes Moore &quot;not your typical Baptist preacher?&quot; (not including that he is smarter than almost everyone, not just Baptist preachers)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saya,</p>
<p>What makes Moore &#8220;not your typical Baptist preacher?&#8221; (not including that he is smarter than almost everyone, not just Baptist preachers)</p>
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		<title>By: JEFF</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/russ-moore-on-the-lords-supper/comment-page-1#comment-501160</link>
		<dc:creator>JEFF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that&#039;s why preachers oughtn&#039;t to wear business suits :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s why preachers oughtn&#8217;t to wear business suits <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What?!?  The Lord&#039;s Supper isn&#039;t just God&#039;s flannel graph for adults?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What?!?  The Lord&#8217;s Supper isn&#8217;t just God&#8217;s flannel graph for adults?</p>
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		<title>By: dumb ox</title>
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		<dc:creator>dumb ox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The funny thing is the scale of economy -how much God accomplishes through a piece of bread and a cup of juice or wine.

It is so difficult to talk about communion at a symbolic level - let alone as a sacrament, while in other aspects evangelicals are ravenously material.  Bread and wine cannot be used by God, but somehow a new car, a good job, a trophy wife, a big house, etc. are necessary to prove that one is under God&#039;s blessing.

I think I know how we got here.  Wierd things happened during the reformation.  Iconoclastic zeal purged churches of anything appearing remotely idolatrous or &quot;papist&quot;; at the same time certain reformers were teaching that God uses base impulses like greed to direct us.  A dualism appeared which made the physical world evil but at the same time useful and exploitable.  

Evangelical churches today obviously use physical things every Sunday, but not necessarily in a sacred manner but merely utilitarian.  Once and a while an odd one-off appears, such as God speaking to someone through the music.  Maybe we can touch dirty, earthy things but God can&#039;t.  So much for the incarnation.

Anyway, I like what Russell Moore had to say.  I like how he tied the physical elements to God&#039;s word.  He really brought home the personal aspect of communion:  this is FOR YOU.  What Jesus accomplished 2,000+ years ago is as real to us today as it was for the disciples, and God uses communion to drive this point home.  I think he also touched on the social side of communion:  that God feeds us so that we may feed others.

I guess there is the fear of sacraments or religious symbols becoming a gateway to magic and superstition - physical elements taking on oppressive powers or being used to oppress by those who control them.  I certainly can sympathize with that concern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The funny thing is the scale of economy -how much God accomplishes through a piece of bread and a cup of juice or wine.</p>
<p>It is so difficult to talk about communion at a symbolic level &#8211; let alone as a sacrament, while in other aspects evangelicals are ravenously material.  Bread and wine cannot be used by God, but somehow a new car, a good job, a trophy wife, a big house, etc. are necessary to prove that one is under God&#8217;s blessing.</p>
<p>I think I know how we got here.  Wierd things happened during the reformation.  Iconoclastic zeal purged churches of anything appearing remotely idolatrous or &#8220;papist&#8221;; at the same time certain reformers were teaching that God uses base impulses like greed to direct us.  A dualism appeared which made the physical world evil but at the same time useful and exploitable.  </p>
<p>Evangelical churches today obviously use physical things every Sunday, but not necessarily in a sacred manner but merely utilitarian.  Once and a while an odd one-off appears, such as God speaking to someone through the music.  Maybe we can touch dirty, earthy things but God can&#8217;t.  So much for the incarnation.</p>
<p>Anyway, I like what Russell Moore had to say.  I like how he tied the physical elements to God&#8217;s word.  He really brought home the personal aspect of communion:  this is FOR YOU.  What Jesus accomplished 2,000+ years ago is as real to us today as it was for the disciples, and God uses communion to drive this point home.  I think he also touched on the social side of communion:  that God feeds us so that we may feed others.</p>
<p>I guess there is the fear of sacraments or religious symbols becoming a gateway to magic and superstition &#8211; physical elements taking on oppressive powers or being used to oppress by those who control them.  I certainly can sympathize with that concern.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Years ago, I fell in love with the Episcopal liturgy of Holy Communion. So, when we celebrate Baptism and Holy Communion this Sunday, I&#039;ll use the same liturgy I&#039;ve used since 2002: I&#039;ll open my Book of Common Prayer to Rite II of Holy Eucharist and use the Eucharistic prayer.

Yes, I&#039;m SBC, and yes, I&#039;ll use the word &quot;sacrament&quot; rather than &quot;ordinance,&quot; explaining that Baptism and Holy Communion are, to paraphrase St. Augustine, &quot;visible signs of an invisible grace.&quot; Frankly, I really wish Zwingli hadn&#039;t started that battle. You don&#039;t have to believe in transubstantiation to believe there&#039;s something mystical about the means given to us by Our Lord to remember His sacrifice for our sins. If the Table were only a memorial, people wouldn&#039;t have died in Corinth for partaking unworthily. 

Do we fear the accusation of &quot;irrational&quot; if we admit we cannot explain every detail? C.S. Lewis said, &quot;The Command was &#039;take, eat,&#039; not &quot;take, understand.&quot; (Letters to Malcom)

Besides, I suspect we would see fewer divisions among our congregations if we spent more time uniting around the Table.

Thanks for posting this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Years ago, I fell in love with the Episcopal liturgy of Holy Communion. So, when we celebrate Baptism and Holy Communion this Sunday, I&#8217;ll use the same liturgy I&#8217;ve used since 2002: I&#8217;ll open my Book of Common Prayer to Rite II of Holy Eucharist and use the Eucharistic prayer.</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;m SBC, and yes, I&#8217;ll use the word &#8220;sacrament&#8221; rather than &#8220;ordinance,&#8221; explaining that Baptism and Holy Communion are, to paraphrase St. Augustine, &#8220;visible signs of an invisible grace.&#8221; Frankly, I really wish Zwingli hadn&#8217;t started that battle. You don&#8217;t have to believe in transubstantiation to believe there&#8217;s something mystical about the means given to us by Our Lord to remember His sacrifice for our sins. If the Table were only a memorial, people wouldn&#8217;t have died in Corinth for partaking unworthily. </p>
<p>Do we fear the accusation of &#8220;irrational&#8221; if we admit we cannot explain every detail? C.S. Lewis said, &#8220;The Command was &#8216;take, eat,&#8217; not &#8220;take, understand.&#8221; (Letters to Malcom)</p>
<p>Besides, I suspect we would see fewer divisions among our congregations if we spent more time uniting around the Table.</p>
<p>Thanks for posting this.</p>
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		<title>By: me</title>
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		<dc:creator>me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish my pastor had this opinion.  Every time we have communion, he emphasizes that there is no mystery and communion is just a symbolic act.  He really takes the joy out of it! He has also stated that he finds it hard to make communion meaningful.  He has a SBC background, but ours is not an SBC church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish my pastor had this opinion.  Every time we have communion, he emphasizes that there is no mystery and communion is just a symbolic act.  He really takes the joy out of it! He has also stated that he finds it hard to make communion meaningful.  He has a SBC background, but ours is not an SBC church.</p>
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