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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Eric...&lt;/strong&gt;

Will you post on my comments too? Trying to make my site look popular lol :)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Eric&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Will you post on my comments too? Trying to make my site look popular lol <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: selkie</title>
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		<dc:creator>selkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 18:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think eros is great. But I also think Neil Gaiman books are great. And films by Hayao Miyazaki. And The Beatles. And Monty Python re-runs. Oh, and mediations by Alan Wattts . . .

All these things are wonderful parts of life, but they&#039;re nothing to live for. People are constantly boiling it all down to finding &quot;that one special person&quot;. Their attachment to that ideal without considering all the infinate aspects of life and even infinate aspects of love: of God, family, neighbors, complete strangers what have you, is as frivolous as narrowing down a rationalization for existance to be Monty Python.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think eros is great. But I also think Neil Gaiman books are great. And films by Hayao Miyazaki. And The Beatles. And Monty Python re-runs. Oh, and mediations by Alan Wattts . . .</p>
<p>All these things are wonderful parts of life, but they&#8217;re nothing to live for. People are constantly boiling it all down to finding &#8220;that one special person&#8221;. Their attachment to that ideal without considering all the infinate aspects of life and even infinate aspects of love: of God, family, neighbors, complete strangers what have you, is as frivolous as narrowing down a rationalization for existance to be Monty Python.</p>
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		<title>By: Yikes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yikes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Michael!
You generated lots of discussion around here, and I am passing along comments to me from a non-blogging friend, who was in my wedding:

1) Spencer wants to purge us from all the wrong and goofy things of “Romance” that have so infiltrated our thinking and lives  -  I agree.  

2) Spencer wants to encourage us to know and increase in “Covenant love” for one another  -  I agree.  

3) Spencer wants “Covenant love” to be the foundation/reason people get married to each other  -  I disagree (After all, I too am supposed to love [your wife] with “Covenant love,” even “Covenant love” that is fervent and abundant.)  

I think people should get married for the reason stated in Genesis about why God created marriage [“For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife; and the two shall become one flesh”].  I think that human earthly institution can be an image/imitation of some greater heavenly reality without being mistaken for that reality.  Spencer wants to replace the corrupted earthly with the heavenly.  I want to replace the corrupted earthly with the God-created-and-intended earthly (which I think is an image of the heavenly).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Michael!<br />
You generated lots of discussion around here, and I am passing along comments to me from a non-blogging friend, who was in my wedding:</p>
<p>1) Spencer wants to purge us from all the wrong and goofy things of “Romance” that have so infiltrated our thinking and lives  &#8211;  I agree.  </p>
<p>2) Spencer wants to encourage us to know and increase in “Covenant love” for one another  &#8211;  I agree.  </p>
<p>3) Spencer wants “Covenant love” to be the foundation/reason people get married to each other  &#8211;  I disagree (After all, I too am supposed to love [your wife] with “Covenant love,” even “Covenant love” that is fervent and abundant.)  </p>
<p>I think people should get married for the reason stated in Genesis about why God created marriage [“For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife; and the two shall become one flesh”].  I think that human earthly institution can be an image/imitation of some greater heavenly reality without being mistaken for that reality.  Spencer wants to replace the corrupted earthly with the heavenly.  I want to replace the corrupted earthly with the God-created-and-intended earthly (which I think is an image of the heavenly).</p>
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		<title>By: Histrion (Jay H)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Histrion (Jay H)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, I&#039;m really with you on this one.

In fact, I&#039;ll go further.  I&#039;ve long complained (just ask my friends ;-) ) that one of the chief corruptions of the modern church is its overemphasis on marriage and children.  Both Paul (in several places) and Jesus (in Matthew 19) make it clear that, in their opinions, staying unentangled in romantic relationships and family concerns is the better way to go.  Yet for centuries the church, perhaps reading a false application into some Old Testament passages, promoted large families.  Now we&#039;ve arrived in the 21st Century and the &quot;Family Values&quot; era, where public policy is made based not on right or wrong, ethical or unethical, consistent or inconsistent application of core principles, but whether it makes it easier or harder to raise the kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, I&#8217;m really with you on this one.</p>
<p>In fact, I&#8217;ll go further.  I&#8217;ve long complained (just ask my friends <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) that one of the chief corruptions of the modern church is its overemphasis on marriage and children.  Both Paul (in several places) and Jesus (in <a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=Matthew+19" class="bibleref" title="ESV Matthew 19">Matthew 19</a>) make it clear that, in their opinions, staying unentangled in romantic relationships and family concerns is the better way to go.  Yet for centuries the church, perhaps reading a false application into some Old Testament passages, promoted large families.  Now we&#8217;ve arrived in the 21st Century and the &#8220;Family Values&#8221; era, where public policy is made based not on right or wrong, ethical or unethical, consistent or inconsistent application of core principles, but whether it makes it easier or harder to raise the kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Denise Spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denise Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Readers may be interested to know that after writing this big essay in general and speaking out against the worship of women in particular, and after I told him he’d better not do much for Valentine’s Day, and after all I got for him were a cutesy e-card and a handful of Valentine’s chocolates, the IMonk gave me a lovey-dovey card, a dozen gorgeous roses (peach-colored) AND he’s cooking a romantic dinner tonight. I guess sometimes it’s just kind of hard to practice what you preach. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Readers may be interested to know that after writing this big essay in general and speaking out against the worship of women in particular, and after I told him he’d better not do much for Valentine’s Day, and after all I got for him were a cutesy e-card and a handful of Valentine’s chocolates, the IMonk gave me a lovey-dovey card, a dozen gorgeous roses (peach-colored) AND he’s cooking a romantic dinner tonight. I guess sometimes it’s just kind of hard to practice what you preach. <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: The Wandering Heretic &#187; Blog Archive &#187; If I Have Not Love, I Get No Candy</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Wandering Heretic &#187; Blog Archive &#187; If I Have Not Love, I Get No Candy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 05:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (With thanks to the Internet Monk.) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: TheBlueRaja</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheBlueRaja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 00:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a wonderful post, Michael!  I may direct some of the kids in our youth group this way in the near future (like, say, tomorrow).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a wonderful post, Michael!  I may direct some of the kids in our youth group this way in the near future (like, say, tomorrow).</p>
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		<title>By: MegPotter</title>
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		<dc:creator>MegPotter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know exactly what you are saying - and I completely agree.  Realizing this totally revolutionized my marriage - I wish more of your readers could &quot;get&quot; it.  But I thought I&#039;d post and let you know not everyone is screaming for your head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know exactly what you are saying &#8211; and I completely agree.  Realizing this totally revolutionized my marriage &#8211; I wish more of your readers could &#8220;get&#8221; it.  But I thought I&#8217;d post and let you know not everyone is screaming for your head.</p>
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		<title>By: Debra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, I think you have given a perfect example of how good things can be twisted by the Enemy into idolatry and/or addiction. I am not saying you have necessarily reached that point--your&#039;s is a natural reaction.  That&#039;s why there&#039;s what&#039;s called &#039;falling in love&#039; on the &#039;rebound&#039;. Feelings like you describe can lead to much trouble if not recognized and checked. 

There is great danger in becoming romantically involved (emotionally and/or physically) outside of the confines of marriage.  Romance and eros for believers should be celebrations of a covenant, life-long love between a man and a woman.  

Since I think you were addressing IM and not me--I  now conclude my additional unsolicited 2 cents. :-) 

Praying for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, I think you have given a perfect example of how good things can be twisted by the Enemy into idolatry and/or addiction. I am not saying you have necessarily reached that point&#8211;your&#8217;s is a natural reaction.  That&#8217;s why there&#8217;s what&#8217;s called &#8216;falling in love&#8217; on the &#8216;rebound&#8217;. Feelings like you describe can lead to much trouble if not recognized and checked. </p>
<p>There is great danger in becoming romantically involved (emotionally and/or physically) outside of the confines of marriage.  Romance and eros for believers should be celebrations of a covenant, life-long love between a man and a woman.  </p>
<p>Since I think you were addressing IM and not me&#8211;I  now conclude my additional unsolicited 2 cents. <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Praying for you.</p>
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		<title>By: chris coleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After experiencing eros/romance with my ex-girlfriend, it seems that I want to have that same experience again. But, I don&#039;t think I want to experience eros/romance with anyone in particular, I just want to experience it again. Is this idolitry? Have I made an idol out of the  eros/romantic experience? 

I think I have matured in my understanding of love since my relationship with my ex. Love is sacrificial, it is more concerned with the others well being than my own. This post was really helpful, can you recommend any books that deal with a biblical view of eros/romance. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After experiencing eros/romance with my ex-girlfriend, it seems that I want to have that same experience again. But, I don&#8217;t think I want to experience eros/romance with anyone in particular, I just want to experience it again. Is this idolitry? Have I made an idol out of the  eros/romantic experience? </p>
<p>I think I have matured in my understanding of love since my relationship with my ex. Love is sacrificial, it is more concerned with the others well being than my own. This post was really helpful, can you recommend any books that deal with a biblical view of eros/romance. Thanks.</p>
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