As I have said before, I have my disagreements with Dobson.

Alan, why don’t you admit that you made a mistake on this one?

Can someone else get Alan off the hook by finding the alleged Dobson quote to which Alan pretended he was reacting?

Thanks,

Bill

I do think public figures have some responsibility to try to retract false or misleading information, esp. concerning widely publicized sensationalism. And how else could that book be described? I have looked at Lindsey’s current website, and it looks more political than religious (or some mish-mash). More power to him. But the only prophecy I’m interested in any more is the one that’s already been fulfilled, in Jesus Christ.

I am sort of sad about all the end times stuff, and how much this one thing has separated and disenchanted Christians. I personally never give it any thought anymore, seeing it cycle this way and that for 40 years. Like many of your readers, I find today to be the most important day to live for Christ.

Why do people make up crazy stuff to discredit those with whom they disagree? If you don’t like Dobson, at least use his actual positions in your arguments, not straw men.

I don’t keep track that well of what Dobson does or says, but I would be astounded if he said what Alan claims he said. The times I have heard Dobson, he sounded reasonable and rational. I’m sure there are areas where I disagree with Dobson (I am a Catholic, and thus an amilenialst), but I don’t think he’s a crazy man.

Let’s stick with facts, not the fevered speculations of an overworked imagination.

Thanks,

Bill

I can remember thinking, “Wha???”

There are many, many reasons I’m glad I’m a Catholic. Not having to pay attention to all of this craziness is one of them. (However, it’s quite entertaining to read about.)

I did, years ago. I CAN’T UNREAD IT! AAAAAAGH! AAAAAAGH!

If LaHaye & Jenkins’ Left Behind is the Eragon of Christian Apocalyptic Fiction, Kirban’s 666 is its “Eye of Argon”. I have NEVER read such awful writing, and I’ve encountered a lot of bad writing in my time in fandom.

While disappointed to hear that the “sandwich” story was false, at least WWN’s editor added a statement to that effect. Which meant that DW’s church officially corrected the story. Honesty prevailed. Plus, as I understand it, intercession DID occur before 9/11. One of things I remember about 9/11 was the amazement that the usual number of people were NOT there. Perhaps a direct result of DW and his church’s intercession? Now he is feeling something similar. Plus a need to store food, etc. that would last 30 days. Are they interceeding again? Maybe this intercession will also limit or stop the actual event from happening. DW will look bad and open to the accusation of “false prophet” but rather that than people burning.

To be honest, I don’t agree with everything he says but I think in some ways our immediate response to DW is telling. Were we offended and rolled our eyes, or did we pray first? Maybe just a tiny bit of fear hit our hearts and we reacted accordingly. I’m not trying to be religious but I know the knee-jerk reactions I’ve had before to things like this and deeply regretted later. So to all this I just say we need to pray and ask God calmly what’s up. We may be surprised.

I once worked during the summer, while I was attending Seminary, with a guy who was “training to become a baptist youth minister.” We had a lot of interesting conversations. One day something about Israel came up and I remarked that I doubted that peace would ever exist in that part of the world. He then said something about the 7 year treaty, which led to him being totally shocked that I didn’t believe in a pre-trip theology.

He had never heard of anything different.

Eventually I convinced him that spending all of that time trying to decipher what God would eventually cause to happen anyway didn’t make a lot of sense. We need to be focused on Christ and proclaiming Christ’s message rather than figuring out what God might do next.

This does not sound like a God who hides salvivic information from us.

I hope i am allowed to say these things on this blog. Scripture says Nebuchadnezzar had magicians but only one lead by God (Daniel who wasnt a magician but one who feared God )had the answers given to him by God.
Elijah was up against many false prophets but these men cut themselves all day calling on their gods to bring down fire from Heaven.Non succeed ,Elijah had them soak the alters down and he called upon The on True God the Creator of the Heaven and the Earth.And God responded gladly all was burned up water alter and sacrifice.
Note there will always be false prophets,why ? We wrestle not against flesh and blood but principalities an power.The reason that all True prophets have a an opposing force is because the adversary does not love souls. He seeks to devour all of us Ezekiel 22:25, 1Peter 5:8 .

The only way to distract is to implant much error with much truth.
The truth is out there in Gods Word Daniel and Revelation. No need to look in the direction of modern day Israel.Look at American the lamb like beast and the other beast in which the Harlot sits on which sits on seven hills/mountains.

End time truth is out there,seek it it can be found.

If you were baptized in water and the Holy Spirit, as it says in scriptures, using the Trinitarian formula, then you were “gennatha anothen” (the greek words) which may mean “born again” but is probably more correctly translated “born from above.”

To say the Church of Rome does not teach this is falsehood. I’m saddened, but not surprised, that you believe this. Remember what Peter said of baptism: “be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit” (Acts 2:38). Also note the strong symbolism of the water baptism of Jesus by John in the Jordan. Jesus was baptized, then the Holy Spirit descends upon Him in the form of a dove. Then the voice of God declares from heaven “This is my beloved Son” (cf. Matt. 3:13–17; Mark 1:9–11; Luke 3:21–22; John 1:30–34). In like manner, we are adopted as Sons of God in baptism. In John 3:5, Christ speaks of being born of water and spirit. This is what Rome teaches of baptism, and it comes straight out of Holy Scripture. It is in baptism that we are “born again” or “born from above.” After Christ taught that it is necessary for salvation to be born from above by water and the Spirit (John 3:1–21), “Jesus and his disciples went into the land of Judea; there he remained with them and baptized” (John 3:22).

*This teaching—that baptism unites us with Christ’s death and resurrection so that we might die to sin and receive new life—is a key part of Paul’s theology. In Colossians 2:11–13, he tells us, “In [Christ] you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful nature, not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the circumcision [of] Christ, having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead. When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ” (NIV).

*In Acts 2:38, Peter tells us, “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.” When Paul was converted, he was told, “And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on his name” (Acts 22:16).

*Much of this is excerpted directly from http://www.catholic.com/library/Are_Catholics_Born_Again.asp