Comments on: Riffs:12:06:06 Dan Kimball Responds to Macarthur’s Portrayal of the Emerging Church http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/riffs120606-dan-kimball-responds-to-macarthurs-portrayal-of-the-emerging-church ...dispatches from the post-evangelical wilderness Sun, 21 Mar 2010 03:29:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Michael Spencer http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/riffs120606-dan-kimball-responds-to-macarthurs-portrayal-of-the-emerging-church/comment-page-1#comment-8566 Michael Spencer Thu, 07 Dec 2006 18:13:21 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/riffs120606-dan-kimball-responds-to-macarthurs-portrayal-of-the-emerging-church#comment-8566 ECers don't write apologias, but if I were to recommend one it might be something by Ed Stetzer or maybe Ray Anderson from Fuller. Every ECer I know thinks Tim Keller is the shizzle. Saying that Mclaren IS the emerging pope is an instant admission that you don't get the EC any more than someone who says Billy Graham speaks for all evangelicals or Rod Parsley for all Pentecostals. Listen to journeyon.net. Listen to The Village in TX. Listen to Mosaic in LA. This isn't the Founder's conference. It's not Calvinism and its not a celebration of all things Reformed. It's missionary principles- the ones we all applaud- in our own culture and subcultures. It's not a fundraising letter analysis. Amazing, that one. If you do a search on "missional" and "emerging" on this web site, you'll find a lot. Or Read Tall Skinny Kiwiw, and employee of the Baptist Convention of Texas, to see how bad it can get. This reminds me of when the pastor actually visits the youth group and discovers that they use candles and hold hands in circles in the youth prayer meeting. Yikes! ECers don’t write apologias, but if I were to recommend one it might be something by Ed Stetzer or maybe Ray Anderson from Fuller.

Every ECer I know thinks Tim Keller is the shizzle.

Saying that Mclaren IS the emerging pope is an instant admission that you don’t get the EC any more than someone who says Billy Graham speaks for all evangelicals or Rod Parsley for all Pentecostals.

Listen to journeyon.net. Listen to The Village in TX. Listen to Mosaic in LA.

This isn’t the Founder’s conference. It’s not Calvinism and its not a celebration of all things Reformed.

It’s missionary principles- the ones we all applaud- in our own culture and subcultures.

It’s not a fundraising letter analysis.

Amazing, that one.

If you do a search on “missional” and “emerging” on this web site, you’ll find a lot. Or Read Tall Skinny Kiwiw, and employee of the Baptist Convention of Texas, to see how bad it can get.

This reminds me of when the pastor actually visits the youth group and discovers that they use candles and hold hands in circles in the youth prayer meeting. Yikes!

]]> By: Kyle Potter http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/riffs120606-dan-kimball-responds-to-macarthurs-portrayal-of-the-emerging-church/comment-page-1#comment-8564 Kyle Potter Thu, 07 Dec 2006 17:00:04 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/riffs120606-dan-kimball-responds-to-macarthurs-portrayal-of-the-emerging-church#comment-8564 My roommate listened to a John Macarthur sermon on Roman Catholicism at a friend's insistance. His comment afterwards was, "Clearly Macarthur has no idea what Roman Catholicism is." Looks like is critique of "the emerging church" (which I continue to insist does not exist!) is just more of the same. My roommate listened to a John Macarthur sermon on Roman Catholicism at a friend’s insistance. His comment afterwards was, “Clearly Macarthur has no idea what Roman Catholicism is.” Looks like is critique of “the emerging church” (which I continue to insist does not exist!) is just more of the same.

]]> By: blog.oldredhat.com http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/riffs120606-dan-kimball-responds-to-macarthurs-portrayal-of-the-emerging-church/comment-page-1#comment-8562 blog.oldredhat.com Thu, 07 Dec 2006 15:18:14 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/riffs120606-dan-kimball-responds-to-macarthurs-portrayal-of-the-emerging-church#comment-8562 One does not have to be a church-going Berean to criticize parts of the Emergent Church. You can be a book-reading Berean, or a Podcast- hearer Berean, or a Blog-reading Berean, or a convention-tape-hearer Berean. The Emergent Church provides enough information to criticize it without stepping a foot into their churches. And the same can be said for the evangelical church. While there might be many bright and good and healthy and Biblically sound and Jesus loving Emergent Churches out there, there are, by the Emergent Churches own admission some not-s0-healthy ones. And the same can be said for the evangelical church. The main concerns of those attacking the Emergent Church are because of the words of some its key voices (Brian McClaren, Tony Jones, Doug Pagitt, Spencer Burke). And then the words of those who parrot these voices. One does not have to read-far or listen-far to hear or read them. And like much of the criticism aimed at evangelical church is because of the very words of their main leaders. If it hadn’t been John MacArthur saying what he did, Dan Kimball would not have reacted they way that he did. I appreciate the advice Scot McKnight gave Spencer Burke. It is advice that both sides need to hear. “Spencer, you’re a good guy. But I have to say this to you: Go back to church. Go back to the gospel of Jesus — crucified and raised. Let the whole Bible shape all of your theology. Listen to your critics. Integrate a robust Christology, a robust death-and-resurrection gospel, and a full Trinitarian theology back into your guide to eternity.” Scot's quote comes from:(http://www.str.org/site/DocServer/Essential_Concerns_Regarding_the_Emerging_Church.pdf?docID=1441) Page 14 -Steve One does not have to be a church-going Berean to criticize parts of the Emergent Church. You can be a book-reading Berean, or a Podcast- hearer Berean, or a Blog-reading Berean, or a convention-tape-hearer Berean.

The Emergent Church provides enough information to criticize it without stepping a foot into their churches. And the same can be said for the evangelical church.

While there might be many bright and good and healthy and Biblically sound and Jesus loving Emergent Churches out there, there are, by the Emergent Churches own admission some not-s0-healthy ones. And the same can be said for the evangelical church.

The main concerns of those attacking the Emergent Church are because of the words of some its key voices (Brian McClaren, Tony Jones, Doug Pagitt, Spencer Burke). And then the words of those who parrot these voices. One does not have to read-far or listen-far to hear or read them.

And like much of the criticism aimed at evangelical church is because of the very words of their main leaders. If it hadn’t been John MacArthur saying what he did, Dan Kimball would not have reacted they way that he did.

I appreciate the advice Scot McKnight gave Spencer Burke. It is advice that both sides need to hear.

“Spencer, you’re a good guy. But I have to say this to you: Go back to church. Go back to the gospel of Jesus — crucified and raised. Let the whole Bible shape all of your theology. Listen to your critics. Integrate a robust Christology, a robust death-and-resurrection gospel, and a full Trinitarian theology back into your guide to eternity.”

Scot’s quote comes from:(http://www.str.org/site/DocServer/Essential_Concerns_Regarding_the_Emerging_Church.pdf?docID=1441) Page 14

-Steve

]]> By: hashman http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/riffs120606-dan-kimball-responds-to-macarthurs-portrayal-of-the-emerging-church/comment-page-1#comment-8560 hashman Thu, 07 Dec 2006 13:49:45 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/riffs120606-dan-kimball-responds-to-macarthurs-portrayal-of-the-emerging-church#comment-8560 what is the best and most balanced book explaining the EC? What is the least and most unbalanced? what is the best and most balanced book explaining the EC?
What is the least and most unbalanced?

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