Comments on: Riffs 10:29:06: Unfortunately, this needs to be said… http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/riffs-unfortunately-this-needs-to-be-said ...dispatches from the post-evangelical wilderness Sat, 11 Feb 2012 22:00:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: dpaultaylor57 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/riffs-unfortunately-this-needs-to-be-said/comment-page-1#comment-8257 dpaultaylor57 Wed, 01 Nov 2006 12:30:04 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/riffs-unfortunately-this-needs-to-be-said#comment-8257 No, it's not too crazy, and I would agree with your first commenter. That concept of saints seems to lift the concept of heroes out of Roman/Greek mythology and put a halo over their heads. But if you go a little further back, couldn't the "I follow Paul," "I follow Apollos" mentality in Corinth spring from the same roots? I think it does, and with the same results, setting one faction against another, which is where we are today. No, it’s not too crazy, and I would agree with your first commenter. That concept of saints seems to lift the concept of heroes out of Roman/Greek mythology and put a halo over their heads.

But if you go a little further back, couldn’t the “I follow Paul,” “I follow Apollos” mentality in Corinth spring from the same roots? I think it does, and with the same results, setting one faction against another, which is where we are today.

]]> By: Rey http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/riffs-unfortunately-this-needs-to-be-said/comment-page-1#comment-8255 Rey Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:45:28 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/riffs-unfortunately-this-needs-to-be-said#comment-8255 Excellent. Excellent.

]]> By: Kipp Wilson http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/riffs-unfortunately-this-needs-to-be-said/comment-page-1#comment-8249 Kipp Wilson Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:35:14 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/riffs-unfortunately-this-needs-to-be-said#comment-8249 Shame on you, Michael, for speaking against one whose name is written in the holy Word of God. For does it not say in Hebrews 10:24, "And let us consider how we may Spurgeon another on toward love and good deeds"? And does not 1 Samuel 18:24 likewise say, "The woman had a fatted Calvin the house"? Okay, enough puns. Good reminder to us not to elevate the words of former (or even current) theologians and preachers to the level of canon. And I think I'll steal the Augustine quote above to use in class. My students sometimes need to hear things like that. Shame on you, Michael, for speaking against one whose name is written in the holy Word of God. For does it not say in Hebrews 10:24, “And let us consider how we may Spurgeon another on toward love and good deeds”?

And does not 1 Samuel 18:24 likewise say, “The woman had a fatted Calvin the house”?

Okay, enough puns. Good reminder to us not to elevate the words of former (or even current) theologians and preachers to the level of canon. And I think I’ll steal the Augustine quote above to use in class. My students sometimes need to hear things like that.

]]> By: churchpundit http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/riffs-unfortunately-this-needs-to-be-said/comment-page-1#comment-8247 churchpundit Mon, 30 Oct 2006 02:08:51 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/riffs-unfortunately-this-needs-to-be-said#comment-8247 One of the problems, in my opinion, is that we judge a person's worth by the effect they had. Spurgeon was effective. So we begin to analyse his methods and either canonize them or condemn them. Spurgeon's gift was the ability to communicate the gospel in his time to people of his time. We have to step back in time, I think, to analyse him fairly. Too many analyse him by our modern categories, and that's not fair. One of the problems, in my opinion, is that we judge a person’s worth by the effect they had. Spurgeon was effective. So we begin to analyse his methods and either canonize them or condemn them. Spurgeon’s gift was the ability to communicate the gospel in his time to people of his time. We have to step back in time, I think, to analyse him fairly. Too many analyse him by our modern categories, and that’s not fair.

]]> By: byron http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/riffs-unfortunately-this-needs-to-be-said/comment-page-1#comment-8246 byron Mon, 30 Oct 2006 01:32:49 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/riffs-unfortunately-this-needs-to-be-said#comment-8246 Speaking of saints, here's what one of the most important said: ‘We, who preach and write books, write in a manner altogether different from the manner in which the canon of Scriptures has been written. We write while we make progress. We learn something new every day. We dictate at the same time as we explore. We speak as we still knock for understanding. … I urge your charity, on my behalf and in my own case, that you should not take any previous book or preaching of mine as Holy Scripture. … If anyone criticises me when I have said what is right, he does not do right. But I would be more angry with the one who praises me and takes what I have written for Gospel truth (<i>canonicum</i>) than the one who criticises me unfairly.’ - Augustine, Sermon 347.62 I'd just posted this comment on my blog when I found yours. Speaking of saints, here’s what one of the most important said:

‘We, who preach and write books, write in a manner altogether different from the manner in which the canon of Scriptures has been written. We write while we make progress. We learn something new every day. We dictate at the same time as we explore. We speak as we still knock for understanding. … I urge your charity, on my behalf and in my own case, that you should not take any previous book or preaching of mine as Holy Scripture. … If anyone criticises me when I have said what is right, he does not do right. But I would be more angry with the one who praises me and takes what I have written for Gospel truth (canonicum) than the one who criticises me unfairly.’
- Augustine, Sermon 347.62

I’d just posted this comment on my blog when I found yours.

]]> By: jnelson http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/riffs-unfortunately-this-needs-to-be-said/comment-page-1#comment-8241 jnelson Sun, 29 Oct 2006 23:48:58 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/riffs-unfortunately-this-needs-to-be-said#comment-8241 "Does it strike anyone else as odd that the reformed celebrate their heroes in a way that’s unlike any other group in Christianity except…..I won’t say it. It’s too crazy." Just for fun, I'll take a stab at it: Catholic saints. During my short-lived tenure on a Reformed discussion forum, it was amazing to me how much more the Five Points and long-handed quotes from John Calvin and the Westminster Confession were used to argue against others more than scripture. Of course, the arguments that did involve citing scripture quickly degenerated into "my verse is more right than your verse," but that's another topic I think. “Does it strike anyone else as odd that the reformed celebrate their heroes in a way that’s unlike any other group in Christianity except…..I won’t say it. It’s too crazy.”

Just for fun, I’ll take a stab at it: Catholic saints.

During my short-lived tenure on a Reformed discussion forum, it was amazing to me how much more the Five Points and long-handed quotes from John Calvin and the Westminster Confession were used to argue against others more than scripture. Of course, the arguments that did involve citing scripture quickly degenerated into “my verse is more right than your verse,” but that’s another topic I think.

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