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	<title>Comments on: Riffs: 2:10:07:  Truthiness Friday With Ascol and Baker</title>
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		<title>By: danedelen</title>
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		<dc:creator>danedelen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 20:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,

How about Open Mic Sunday? Each SBC church turns the Sunday over to the congregation and let&#039;s them speak about what they see the issues to be. Then the whole church (and ultimately, the whole denomination) brainstorms the problems and comes up with solutions.

Or on a more organic level, the SBC churches could decide to start getting out in their neighborhoods and serving people. My previous church did that and grew by leaps and bounds. Had everyone in the city talking.

Just a couple suggestions I think would bring greater change than another conference. Gotta take the issue back to the people and get it out of the hands of all these bureaucrats pontificating at the leadership level of the SBC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>How about Open Mic Sunday? Each SBC church turns the Sunday over to the congregation and let&#8217;s them speak about what they see the issues to be. Then the whole church (and ultimately, the whole denomination) brainstorms the problems and comes up with solutions.</p>
<p>Or on a more organic level, the SBC churches could decide to start getting out in their neighborhoods and serving people. My previous church did that and grew by leaps and bounds. Had everyone in the city talking.</p>
<p>Just a couple suggestions I think would bring greater change than another conference. Gotta take the issue back to the people and get it out of the hands of all these bureaucrats pontificating at the leadership level of the SBC.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 17:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point on the redundancy factor at these conferences.

I&#039;d just like to see the SBC do something that wasn&#039;t drowning in pragmatism and devoid of a sense of God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point on the redundancy factor at these conferences.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d just like to see the SBC do something that wasn&#8217;t drowning in pragmatism and devoid of a sense of God.</p>
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		<title>By: danedelen</title>
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		<dc:creator>danedelen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 17:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,

If anything, a theology conference is the LEAST likely conference to draw in those who are looking elsewhere. At issue is the drift away from denominations by the sub-45-year-olds, correct? A theology conference is the most talkative and least practical event (from the perspective of those thinking about bailing out of a denomination) you could hold.

Look at who attends theology conferences today: theology gearheads. Not that there&#039;s anything wrong with being a theology gearhead, but you can count the number of folks who get warm and fuzzy debating theology on one hand in your typical 1,000 member church. 

Challies just posted a big schedule of conferences. I would suspect that if you boiled those conferences down, they&#039;re attracting a lot of the same people to each event, much like large regional Star Trek conventions draw in a lot of the same out-of-towners. When you start seeing the same panel members from one theology conference to another, you&#039;ve got to believe a lot of the people in the audience are the same, too.

That&#039;s not going to keep Joe Christian in the pews, though. You might retain your five gearheads, but you lose everyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>If anything, a theology conference is the LEAST likely conference to draw in those who are looking elsewhere. At issue is the drift away from denominations by the sub-45-year-olds, correct? A theology conference is the most talkative and least practical event (from the perspective of those thinking about bailing out of a denomination) you could hold.</p>
<p>Look at who attends theology conferences today: theology gearheads. Not that there&#8217;s anything wrong with being a theology gearhead, but you can count the number of folks who get warm and fuzzy debating theology on one hand in your typical 1,000 member church. </p>
<p>Challies just posted a big schedule of conferences. I would suspect that if you boiled those conferences down, they&#8217;re attracting a lot of the same people to each event, much like large regional Star Trek conventions draw in a lot of the same out-of-towners. When you start seeing the same panel members from one theology conference to another, you&#8217;ve got to believe a lot of the people in the audience are the same, too.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not going to keep Joe Christian in the pews, though. You might retain your five gearheads, but you lose everyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 04:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Valid point, Dan. Those of us who have grown up SBC, however, know that I am referring to the fact that we do have lots of conferences....and they are all on 1) evangelism, 2) church growth or 3) Denominational programs. The idea of the SBC having a conference on something other than pragmatic progamatic concerns is almost unthinkable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Valid point, Dan. Those of us who have grown up SBC, however, know that I am referring to the fact that we do have lots of conferences&#8230;.and they are all on 1) evangelism, 2) church growth or 3) Denominational programs. The idea of the SBC having a conference on something other than pragmatic progamatic concerns is almost unthinkable.</p>
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		<title>By: danedelen</title>
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		<dc:creator>danedelen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 03:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Has the SBC EVER put on a theology conference like Founders, Desiring God, T4G or Ligonier? Hellooooooo? Hello? Is the elevator running in that building?&quot;

Michael,

I&#039;m not convinced that the whole conference mentality makes one iota of difference, either. It&#039;s a modified version of a crusade, except for the already saved--a pep rally perhaps. We&#039;ve been in a conference mode for decades and still no fruit to be seen. Lotsa talk and few results. I&#039;ve been observing, too.

The only thing that&#039;s going to boost these denominations is to get serious about walking their talk. This generation laughs at all the wind church leaders blow. They only want to see realities. Stop talking, start doing. Real community. Real counterculture. Don&#039;t tell me Jesus loves me, show me! Anything else is smoke to them.

But when they see the walk matching the talk, they&#039;ll be there. The first denomination to get wise to this will grab the brass ring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Has the SBC EVER put on a theology conference like Founders, Desiring God, T4G or Ligonier? Hellooooooo? Hello? Is the elevator running in that building?&#8221;</p>
<p>Michael,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not convinced that the whole conference mentality makes one iota of difference, either. It&#8217;s a modified version of a crusade, except for the already saved&#8211;a pep rally perhaps. We&#8217;ve been in a conference mode for decades and still no fruit to be seen. Lotsa talk and few results. I&#8217;ve been observing, too.</p>
<p>The only thing that&#8217;s going to boost these denominations is to get serious about walking their talk. This generation laughs at all the wind church leaders blow. They only want to see realities. Stop talking, start doing. Real community. Real counterculture. Don&#8217;t tell me Jesus loves me, show me! Anything else is smoke to them.</p>
<p>But when they see the walk matching the talk, they&#8217;ll be there. The first denomination to get wise to this will grab the brass ring.</p>
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