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	<title>Comments on: Riffs 11:20:06: Why Bad (Christian) Movies Succeed (and better movies never will)</title>
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		<title>By: Chris Staron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Staron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 00:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s very easy to criticize Christian films -- much harder to make them. There is not a lot of money in them, regardless of what people say. $15 million for Facing the Giants is probably gross. I saw one report in the first week of the movie that said it cost $5 million to just advertise. The gross generally means the theaters get half -- already you&#039;re down to 7.5 million, minus advertising is 2.5 million. I will guarantee the distributors found a lot of ways to spread that around, considering the movie had a half dozen companies involved involved in distribution. I&#039;ll bet the folks who made the actual film saw very little of the money brought in.

For some other good options, support the little guys.  Movies like the upcoming Bringing up Bobby (www.bringingupbobby.com), Between the Walls (betweenthewallsthemovie.com), Mercy Streets, Standing Firm, and the list goes on. Help us filmmakers to spread the word and you will see the quality improve, guaranteed. If we all keep sitting on our hands, we&#039;ll never get anything worth watching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s very easy to criticize Christian films &#8212; much harder to make them. There is not a lot of money in them, regardless of what people say. $15 million for Facing the Giants is probably gross. I saw one report in the first week of the movie that said it cost $5 million to just advertise. The gross generally means the theaters get half &#8212; already you&#8217;re down to 7.5 million, minus advertising is 2.5 million. I will guarantee the distributors found a lot of ways to spread that around, considering the movie had a half dozen companies involved involved in distribution. I&#8217;ll bet the folks who made the actual film saw very little of the money brought in.</p>
<p>For some other good options, support the little guys.  Movies like the upcoming Bringing up Bobby (www.bringingupbobby.com), Between the Walls (betweenthewallsthemovie.com), Mercy Streets, Standing Firm, and the list goes on. Help us filmmakers to spread the word and you will see the quality improve, guaranteed. If we all keep sitting on our hands, we&#8217;ll never get anything worth watching.</p>
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		<title>By: RenaissanceChristian</title>
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		<dc:creator>RenaissanceChristian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I have seen Luther and Mercy Streets — both good films.

To End All Wars is a classic example of a relatively expensive production that didn&#039;t understand its market. Why all the swear words? Especially copious use of the F bomb. It&#039;s decisions like these that baffle me. It&#039;s not to say a Christian movie shouldn&#039;t have swear words — but in the context of a WWII movie it was totally unwarrented in my opinion. The bottom line, this movie isn&#039;t close to recouping on it&#039;s original investment and in the economy of this industry that really hurts.

I think the Evangelical mainstream will embrace certain types of raw portrayals of sin and violence. I mean it doesn&#039;t get more violent than The Passion of the Christ. However, when you&#039;re already dealing with a niche audience it is close to impossible to expect them to embrace movies with a lot of swearing and sex and have it be commercially viable. Hey, but violence is noooo problem.

I&#039;ve come to realize the best way to produce a truly honest portrayal of sin, doubt, faith, etc., is to target the mainstream. Crash is a great example of something both honest and yet inspiring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I have seen Luther and Mercy Streets — both good films.</p>
<p>To End All Wars is a classic example of a relatively expensive production that didn&#8217;t understand its market. Why all the swear words? Especially copious use of the F bomb. It&#8217;s decisions like these that baffle me. It&#8217;s not to say a Christian movie shouldn&#8217;t have swear words — but in the context of a WWII movie it was totally unwarrented in my opinion. The bottom line, this movie isn&#8217;t close to recouping on it&#8217;s original investment and in the economy of this industry that really hurts.</p>
<p>I think the Evangelical mainstream will embrace certain types of raw portrayals of sin and violence. I mean it doesn&#8217;t get more violent than The Passion of the Christ. However, when you&#8217;re already dealing with a niche audience it is close to impossible to expect them to embrace movies with a lot of swearing and sex and have it be commercially viable. Hey, but violence is noooo problem.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve come to realize the best way to produce a truly honest portrayal of sin, doubt, faith, etc., is to target the mainstream. Crash is a great example of something both honest and yet inspiring.</p>
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		<title>By: davidshq</title>
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		<dc:creator>davidshq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 05:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the post. This was great. I really enjoyed reading it. Have you seen Luther and Mercy Streets? I thought both of these were good movies as well. I was wondering if you would consider checking out my site Christian &amp; Family Films at http://www.dhq.nu/christianfilms/. I am attempting to build an extensive database, including &quot;My Favorites&quot; which will hopefully (eventually) include a large number of the best of the best.
Also, I think the reason To End All Wars and Woman, Thou Art Loosed failed to gain mainstream evangelical attention may have been in part for their content. To End All Wars and Woman, Thou Art Loosed both had raw portrayals of sin, violence, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the post. This was great. I really enjoyed reading it. Have you seen Luther and Mercy Streets? I thought both of these were good movies as well. I was wondering if you would consider checking out my site Christian &amp; Family Films at <a href="http://www.dhq.nu/christianfilms/" rel="nofollow">http://www.dhq.nu/christianfilms/</a>. I am attempting to build an extensive database, including &#8220;My Favorites&#8221; which will hopefully (eventually) include a large number of the best of the best.<br />
Also, I think the reason To End All Wars and Woman, Thou Art Loosed failed to gain mainstream evangelical attention may have been in part for their content. To End All Wars and Woman, Thou Art Loosed both had raw portrayals of sin, violence, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 01:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RenaissanceChristian:

Thanks for your interaction. Your points are excellent.

I also assume that criticism of the film by Christians is acceptable? When a film makes it into the major market it represents all of us who are evangelicals, and not all evangelicals are on the same page in terms of art, esp film.

I applaud the church&#039;s verve and vision. The theology of the film represents a branch of evangelicalism I know well, and that I respect. But respect doesn&#039;t mean agreement.

Again, thanks for your comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RenaissanceChristian:</p>
<p>Thanks for your interaction. Your points are excellent.</p>
<p>I also assume that criticism of the film by Christians is acceptable? When a film makes it into the major market it represents all of us who are evangelicals, and not all evangelicals are on the same page in terms of art, esp film.</p>
<p>I applaud the church&#8217;s verve and vision. The theology of the film represents a branch of evangelicalism I know well, and that I respect. But respect doesn&#8217;t mean agreement.</p>
<p>Again, thanks for your comments.</p>
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		<title>By: RenaissanceChristian</title>
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		<dc:creator>RenaissanceChristian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 01:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, I found myself both cheering and decrying your commentary on Facing the Giants. As someone involved on the distribution side of this film, I’d like to set the record straight on a few of your assumptions.

First and foremost, the goal of Giants was not to share the Gospel to unbelievers. That may strike you as strange, given its overt message. According to writer/director/actor Alex Kendrick and his brother Stephen their goal is to inspire believers to live up to their full potential as Christians, if unbelievers should happen to get saved that’s a wonderful bonus.

That is what separates Giants from almost any other Christian movie that has been produced to date. For example, your classic Billy Graham movie tries to pass itself off as a generic story and then somewhere toward the end of the movie you’re presented the plan of salvation with no less than Billy or Franklin Graham delivering the 4 steps (talk about a bait and switch).

Barbary Nicolosi really missed the whole plot point of why the coach was driven to reading the Bible and went to his knees during his moment of crisis. The coach’s world was coming apart and the only solace he could find was in the Word of God and that his fate was in the Hands of a loving God. As a Christian, sometimes that’s the only refuge we have when our world is crumbling all around us. That’s why this movie resonates with so many Evangelical Christians — we’ve been there.

Then there are all those almost embarrassingly obvious Evangelical scenes in the movie.
-	The old man that prays for the kids in the school.
-	The revival that breaks out.
-	The coach’s inspiring speech to the players with overt references to scriptures and Jesus Christ.

Who would dare be so blatant, so early in the story? Well as it turns out, someone who produced a film that reflected his own very personal faith in God. Now that’s what I call honest. A story that encourages believers to trust God no matter how bad things look.

Now as to the criticism that everything works out in the end, that’s probably not the way I would have produced it either. But, you could say that about almost any popular sports movie that Hollywood has produced.

The reality is almost everyone likes stories with happy endings. Is that so bad? Don’t we get a belly full of tragedy, misfortune and injustice by just living in this sin-drenched world? Isn’t that why our hearts soar when the good guy wins in the end?

I wonder how many would take issue with God’s plan for the resurrection of His Son. I mean, shouldn’t God have ended the story with His sacrificial death on the cross. Wouldn’t have that been what we would call “honest?” But, the reality is, without the resurrection, our faith is in vain. So maybe that’s why we like happy endings. It calls to that part of us yearning for justice and hope in this bleak world.

So, Alex produced the kind of movie he wanted to see. He didn’t care if it would cross over, or had too happy an ending. This was his film and as it turns out, there are a whole lot of people who loved what he was able to do for a little over $100,000.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, I found myself both cheering and decrying your commentary on Facing the Giants. As someone involved on the distribution side of this film, I’d like to set the record straight on a few of your assumptions.</p>
<p>First and foremost, the goal of Giants was not to share the Gospel to unbelievers. That may strike you as strange, given its overt message. According to writer/director/actor Alex Kendrick and his brother Stephen their goal is to inspire believers to live up to their full potential as Christians, if unbelievers should happen to get saved that’s a wonderful bonus.</p>
<p>That is what separates Giants from almost any other Christian movie that has been produced to date. For example, your classic Billy Graham movie tries to pass itself off as a generic story and then somewhere toward the end of the movie you’re presented the plan of salvation with no less than Billy or Franklin Graham delivering the 4 steps (talk about a bait and switch).</p>
<p>Barbary Nicolosi really missed the whole plot point of why the coach was driven to reading the Bible and went to his knees during his moment of crisis. The coach’s world was coming apart and the only solace he could find was in the Word of God and that his fate was in the Hands of a loving God. As a Christian, sometimes that’s the only refuge we have when our world is crumbling all around us. That’s why this movie resonates with so many Evangelical Christians — we’ve been there.</p>
<p>Then there are all those almost embarrassingly obvious Evangelical scenes in the movie.<br />
-	The old man that prays for the kids in the school.<br />
-	The revival that breaks out.<br />
-	The coach’s inspiring speech to the players with overt references to scriptures and Jesus Christ.</p>
<p>Who would dare be so blatant, so early in the story? Well as it turns out, someone who produced a film that reflected his own very personal faith in God. Now that’s what I call honest. A story that encourages believers to trust God no matter how bad things look.</p>
<p>Now as to the criticism that everything works out in the end, that’s probably not the way I would have produced it either. But, you could say that about almost any popular sports movie that Hollywood has produced.</p>
<p>The reality is almost everyone likes stories with happy endings. Is that so bad? Don’t we get a belly full of tragedy, misfortune and injustice by just living in this sin-drenched world? Isn’t that why our hearts soar when the good guy wins in the end?</p>
<p>I wonder how many would take issue with God’s plan for the resurrection of His Son. I mean, shouldn’t God have ended the story with His sacrificial death on the cross. Wouldn’t have that been what we would call “honest?” But, the reality is, without the resurrection, our faith is in vain. So maybe that’s why we like happy endings. It calls to that part of us yearning for justice and hope in this bleak world.</p>
<p>So, Alex produced the kind of movie he wanted to see. He didn’t care if it would cross over, or had too happy an ending. This was his film and as it turns out, there are a whole lot of people who loved what he was able to do for a little over $100,000.</p>
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		<title>By: bob3</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2006 21:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have longed moaned over Hollywood&#039;s horror and negativity. And now all of you are still bellyaching because it wasn&#039;t negative enough. I&#039;m going to watch this film just to irk all of you who have commented here. 

While we&#039;re at it ,let&#039;s bash reruns of the Waltons and Little House On The Prairie for its sickening positivity.

Cynicism is a revolt against all things that are beautiful. Sadly for you some things that are beautiful are also boring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have longed moaned over Hollywood&#8217;s horror and negativity. And now all of you are still bellyaching because it wasn&#8217;t negative enough. I&#8217;m going to watch this film just to irk all of you who have commented here. </p>
<p>While we&#8217;re at it ,let&#8217;s bash reruns of the Waltons and Little House On The Prairie for its sickening positivity.</p>
<p>Cynicism is a revolt against all things that are beautiful. Sadly for you some things that are beautiful are also boring.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Costello</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Costello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2006 05:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did not see Facing the Giants, but I intend to when it comes out on DVD. A youth leader in our church did see it and thought it was great. I did see One night with the King and really enjoyed it. The only thing I didn&#039;t like was they took a little liberty with the Biblical text. Overall though, I guess it didn&#039;t match Hellywood&#039;s (Opps! Sorry. Stupid keyboard), Hollywood&#039;s standards, there was no sex, no profanity and no blood and guts. Just an intellectually shallow, corny, clean movie about an event in Scripture. I recommended it to many of my friends and wasn&#039;t embarassed a bit.
Don Costello</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did not see Facing the Giants, but I intend to when it comes out on DVD. A youth leader in our church did see it and thought it was great. I did see One night with the King and really enjoyed it. The only thing I didn&#8217;t like was they took a little liberty with the Biblical text. Overall though, I guess it didn&#8217;t match Hellywood&#8217;s (Opps! Sorry. Stupid keyboard), Hollywood&#8217;s standards, there was no sex, no profanity and no blood and guts. Just an intellectually shallow, corny, clean movie about an event in Scripture. I recommended it to many of my friends and wasn&#8217;t embarassed a bit.<br />
Don Costello</p>
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		<title>By: irenicum</title>
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		<dc:creator>irenicum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 04:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My two favorite &#039;Christian&#039; films are &quot;The Missionary&quot; and &quot;The Apostle&quot;. Two painfully honest, yet incredibly powerful films. To be honest, most of the films I watch that help reinforce my faith (not intentionally, but as a byproduct) have been dark dramas about the brokeness of the human condition. Happy, clappy, crappy evangelical entertainment can&#039;t hope to compare itself to that. It&#039;s too &#039;dangerous&#039;. I thank God that the writers of Scripture were also too dangerous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My two favorite &#8216;Christian&#8217; films are &#8220;The Missionary&#8221; and &#8220;The Apostle&#8221;. Two painfully honest, yet incredibly powerful films. To be honest, most of the films I watch that help reinforce my faith (not intentionally, but as a byproduct) have been dark dramas about the brokeness of the human condition. Happy, clappy, crappy evangelical entertainment can&#8217;t hope to compare itself to that. It&#8217;s too &#8216;dangerous&#8217;. I thank God that the writers of Scripture were also too dangerous.</p>
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		<title>By: pearlbirth</title>
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		<dc:creator>pearlbirth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 16:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A decent study of Bonhoeffer was done in &quot;Bonhoeffer: Agent of Grace&quot; (2000)
Good art will always influence people much more than movies that are essentially tools to &quot;sell&quot; the gospel. I wish there were more movies like &quot;End of the Spear.&quot; The schlocky movies will only reinforce nonchristian&#039;s stereotypes that we are simplistic, uncultured sheep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A decent study of Bonhoeffer was done in &#8220;Bonhoeffer: Agent of Grace&#8221; (2000)<br />
Good art will always influence people much more than movies that are essentially tools to &#8220;sell&#8221; the gospel. I wish there were more movies like &#8220;End of the Spear.&#8221; The schlocky movies will only reinforce nonchristian&#8217;s stereotypes that we are simplistic, uncultured sheep.</p>
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		<title>By: Debra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 15:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even though LOTR and Facing the Giants both end with the triumph of Good, there are major differences in their approach to the story of Life.  Tolkein stated that he did not write the story as allegory--he simply portrays good vs. evil and the tremendous sacrifice required to overcome evil, in the context of a very well told story. He is even realistic in his not-so-fairy tale ending for Frodo. Frodo does not end up with health and happiness, at least not on this side of the Western Sea.  

For those who have eyes to see, the LOTR story, conveys great truths without hitting the reader over the head with heavy handed attempts to &#039;sell&#039; an idea or push an agenda. Even though LOTR was by no means Christian allegory, I get much more of a feel of the Reality of the Christian walk from it than I do from most Christian films.  Along Frodo&#039;s journey there are temptations, glimpses of beauty, horrible struggles, restful havens, victories, defeats, injuries that will not be healed in this life, sacrifice, the comfort of friends, and the need for the hand of Providence to achieve the final destruction of the ring.  

Feel good, happy ending movies where coming to Christ leads to earthly, as well as spiritual, triumph are nice fairy tale entertainment.  I love &#039;It&#039;s a Wonderful Life!&#039; and other movies that reassure that Good does ultimately win.  But none of these should be taken as a real life depiction of our walk here on earth.  The real &#039;happy endings&#039; do not come this side of the Western Sea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even though LOTR and Facing the Giants both end with the triumph of Good, there are major differences in their approach to the story of Life.  Tolkein stated that he did not write the story as allegory&#8211;he simply portrays good vs. evil and the tremendous sacrifice required to overcome evil, in the context of a very well told story. He is even realistic in his not-so-fairy tale ending for Frodo. Frodo does not end up with health and happiness, at least not on this side of the Western Sea.  </p>
<p>For those who have eyes to see, the LOTR story, conveys great truths without hitting the reader over the head with heavy handed attempts to &#8217;sell&#8217; an idea or push an agenda. Even though LOTR was by no means Christian allegory, I get much more of a feel of the Reality of the Christian walk from it than I do from most Christian films.  Along Frodo&#8217;s journey there are temptations, glimpses of beauty, horrible struggles, restful havens, victories, defeats, injuries that will not be healed in this life, sacrifice, the comfort of friends, and the need for the hand of Providence to achieve the final destruction of the ring.  </p>
<p>Feel good, happy ending movies where coming to Christ leads to earthly, as well as spiritual, triumph are nice fairy tale entertainment.  I love &#8216;It&#8217;s a Wonderful Life!&#8217; and other movies that reassure that Good does ultimately win.  But none of these should be taken as a real life depiction of our walk here on earth.  The real &#8216;happy endings&#8217; do not come this side of the Western Sea.</p>
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