Comments on: Riffs: 08:12:08: Ray Ortlund on The Dark Knight http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/riffs-081208-ray-ourtland-on-the-dark-knight ...dispatches from the post-evangelical wilderness Sun, 12 Feb 2012 00:16:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: anonevang http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/riffs-081208-ray-ourtland-on-the-dark-knight/comment-page-1#comment-272376 anonevang Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:42:34 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/riffs-081208-ray-ourtland-on-the-dark-knight#comment-272376 I would like to take issue with this from Michael the Poet above: <i>"Paul had no entertainments or hobbies. He made tents, prayed, worshipped, evangelized, preached, taught, worked miracles, and mediated church infighting. He had no time for the theater, the concert hall, and the sports arena, except, perhaps, when he was being persecuted (Acts 19)."</i> No entertainments or hobbies? How do we know this? I don't know what Paul did to refresh himself, but I doubt that everything he did was "spiritual." He was a real man. The Christians I have met who believe no "worldly" form of entertainment is ever allowed, who never attend any concerts, cultural activities, or sporting events, tend to be very strange people who can't relate to anyone outside their narrow little world. I would like to take issue with this from Michael the Poet above: “Paul had no entertainments or hobbies. He made tents, prayed, worshipped, evangelized, preached, taught, worked miracles, and mediated church infighting. He had no time for the theater, the concert hall, and the sports arena, except, perhaps, when he was being persecuted (Acts 19).”

No entertainments or hobbies? How do we know this? I don’t know what Paul did to refresh himself, but I doubt that everything he did was “spiritual.” He was a real man.

The Christians I have met who believe no “worldly” form of entertainment is ever allowed, who never attend any concerts, cultural activities, or sporting events, tend to be very strange people who can’t relate to anyone outside their narrow little world.

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http://members.tripod.com/~AdamWest/b-lectur.htm

:)

]]> By: Jon S http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/riffs-081208-ray-ourtland-on-the-dark-knight/comment-page-1#comment-270465 Jon S Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:09:16 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/riffs-081208-ray-ourtland-on-the-dark-knight#comment-270465 hey lets admit it. IF Josh said there were lots of explosions that we have progressed a long ways from the boom sounds of the Batman in the 60's and 70's. Kaaapowie! Also, the original batman in the 60's/70's was very spiritual since it used the word Holy a lot. Read below. What could more pure than the original Batman in the 70's. Art at its best. Robin: "Boy! That was our closest call ever! I have to admit that I was pretty scared!" Batman: "I wasn't scared in the least." Robin: "Not at all?" Batman: "Haven't you noticed how we always escape the vicious ensnarements of our enemies?" Robin: "Yeah, because we're smarter than they are!" Batman: "I like to think it's because our hearts are pure." Robin: "Holy molars! Am I ever glad I take good care of my teeth!" Batman: "True. You owe your life to dental hygiene." hey lets admit it. IF Josh said there were lots of explosions that we have progressed a long ways from the boom sounds of the Batman in the 60′s and 70′s.

Kaaapowie!

Also, the original batman in the 60′s/70′s was very spiritual since it used the word Holy a lot. Read below. What could more pure than the original Batman in the 70′s. Art at its best.

Robin: “Boy! That was our closest call ever! I have to admit that I was pretty scared!”
Batman: “I wasn’t scared in the least.”
Robin: “Not at all?”
Batman: “Haven’t you noticed how we always escape the vicious ensnarements of our enemies?”
Robin: “Yeah, because we’re smarter than they are!”
Batman: “I like to think it’s because our hearts are pure.”

Robin: “Holy molars! Am I ever glad I take good care of my teeth!”
Batman: “True. You owe your life to dental hygiene.”

]]> By: Jon S http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/riffs-081208-ray-ourtland-on-the-dark-knight/comment-page-1#comment-270459 Jon S Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:58:16 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/riffs-081208-ray-ourtland-on-the-dark-knight#comment-270459 Havent been to the movie yet. Have to go just because of my early comic book years so I just hope I dont find the spiritually challenging thing in the Dark Knight that Ray did not :). Does comics count as an 'art' form. spadinofamily.wordpress.com Havent been to the movie yet. Have to go just because of my early comic book years so I just hope I dont find the spiritually challenging thing in the Dark Knight that Ray did not :) .

Does comics count as an ‘art’ form.

spadinofamily.wordpress.com

]]> By: Bill Coleman http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/riffs-081208-ray-ourtland-on-the-dark-knight/comment-page-1#comment-270214 Bill Coleman Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:46:05 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/riffs-081208-ray-ourtland-on-the-dark-knight#comment-270214 I agree there is probably a little too much emphasis at the moment on the relationship between Hollywood and spirituality. The main reason I stopped visiting the Hollywood Jesus website was because I felt they were trying too hard to see a gospel/redemptive theme in every movie that came along. Having said that, I think Ortlund is hyper-spiritualizing his dislike for the movie. If he didn't enjoy it, he has every right not to, but it shouldn't be a big issue between believers. I agree there is probably a little too much emphasis at the moment on the relationship between Hollywood and spirituality. The main reason I stopped visiting the Hollywood Jesus website was because I felt they were trying too hard to see a gospel/redemptive theme in every movie that came along.

Having said that, I think Ortlund is hyper-spiritualizing his dislike for the movie. If he didn’t enjoy it, he has every right not to, but it shouldn’t be a big issue between believers.

]]> By: Christopher Lake http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/riffs-081208-ray-ourtland-on-the-dark-knight/comment-page-1#comment-270186 Christopher Lake Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:27:40 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/riffs-081208-ray-ourtland-on-the-dark-knight#comment-270186 Ripplegirl, respectfully, I have another view. for the most part, I don't go to see movies for "vegetative entertainment." I go to be moved, challenged to think, grow, etc. There are many films that deal seriously with serious issues-- even issues of eternity. However, they are not usually found at the big blockbuster cineplexes. "The Seventh Seal" is a great example. Life, death, love, meaning, and God-- all in one movie! However, it's an older film (from the 50s), and it has subtitles, so most people in general are not interested, let alone Christians. Very sad... and the fact is, there are still films like TSS being made today, but most people don't care enough to look for them and pay to see them. Ripplegirl, respectfully, I have another view. for the most part, I don’t go to see movies for “vegetative entertainment.” I go to be moved, challenged to think, grow, etc. There are many films that deal seriously with serious issues– even issues of eternity. However, they are not usually found at the big blockbuster cineplexes.

“The Seventh Seal” is a great example. Life, death, love, meaning, and God– all in one movie! However, it’s an older film (from the 50s), and it has subtitles, so most people in general are not interested, let alone Christians. Very sad… and the fact is, there are still films like TSS being made today, but most people don’t care enough to look for them and pay to see them.

]]> By: j. Michael Jones http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/riffs-081208-ray-ourtland-on-the-dark-knight/comment-page-1#comment-270174 j. Michael Jones Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:26:58 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/riffs-081208-ray-ourtland-on-the-dark-knight#comment-270174 Art, in all of its forms, is from people. People are from God. Therefore all art is worth discussing and even art from non-Christians can give us insight into the human condition. I thought that the Dark Knight was artistically wonderful and can raise many questions worth discussing. I really enjoy the ministry of Denis and Marge Haack, who have given their life's ministry in reviewing art forms from a Christian and often provocative view point (http://www.ransomfellowship.org/about.asp) Art, in all of its forms, is from people. People are from God. Therefore all art is worth discussing and even art from non-Christians can give us insight into the human condition. I thought that the Dark Knight was artistically wonderful and can raise many questions worth discussing.

I really enjoy the ministry of Denis and Marge Haack, who have given their life’s ministry in reviewing art forms from a Christian and often provocative view point (http://www.ransomfellowship.org/about.asp)

]]> By: Sam Urfer http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/riffs-081208-ray-ourtland-on-the-dark-knight/comment-page-1#comment-270170 Sam Urfer Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:22:59 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/riffs-081208-ray-ourtland-on-the-dark-knight#comment-270170 I concur with Josh. I concur with Josh.

]]> By: Ron http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/riffs-081208-ray-ourtland-on-the-dark-knight/comment-page-1#comment-270169 Ron Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:22:20 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/riffs-081208-ray-ourtland-on-the-dark-knight#comment-270169 <i>I don’t, by the way, think we need “reasons” or justifications for watching and enjoying movies in the first place.</i> Really? I think we should always have a good reason for anything we do. Sleeping, eating, etc. My experience is more often than not people have little or no reason to watch movies, other than they can't think or get themselves to do something better. I'm sorry you might have had a bad fundamentalist experience, but that doesn't change the argument. I don’t, by the way, think we need “reasons” or justifications for watching and enjoying movies in the first place.

Really? I think we should always have a good reason for anything we do. Sleeping, eating, etc. My experience is more often than not people have little or no reason to watch movies, other than they can’t think or get themselves to do something better.

I’m sorry you might have had a bad fundamentalist experience, but that doesn’t change the argument.

]]> By: iMonk http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/riffs-081208-ray-ourtland-on-the-dark-knight/comment-page-1#comment-270160 iMonk Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:56:18 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/riffs-081208-ray-ourtland-on-the-dark-knight#comment-270160 Josh has just written about the finest review I've read. And makes my point. Good Lutheran. Josh has just written about the finest review I’ve read.

And makes my point. Good Lutheran.

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