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	<title>Comments on: Riffs: 07:28:07: Brant Hansen and Celebrity Sinners</title>
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		<title>By: Whipsnard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whipsnard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 16:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stepped into this mess by chasing Kamp Krusty through RevJeff.  Shaungroves is so right about the Christian media market today.  It&#039;s all about the dollar.  &quot;Who&#039;se name can we use today?  Who is hot right now?!?&quot;  We all want our cake, don&#039;t we?  When the final horn sounds, we will be looking around saying, &quot;Really...him?!?!?&quot;  Can&#039;t remember the last time I heard a Margaret or Michael tune... oh yea, off my WD Notebook.  P.S. Bookmarked your site for the future too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stepped into this mess by chasing Kamp Krusty through RevJeff.  Shaungroves is so right about the Christian media market today.  It&#8217;s all about the dollar.  &#8220;Who&#8217;se name can we use today?  Who is hot right now?!?&#8221;  We all want our cake, don&#8217;t we?  When the final horn sounds, we will be looking around saying, &#8220;Really&#8230;him?!?!?&#8221;  Can&#8217;t remember the last time I heard a Margaret or Michael tune&#8230; oh yea, off my WD Notebook.  P.S. Bookmarked your site for the future too.</p>
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		<title>By: BrianW</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrianW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 01:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the risk of offending fanboys throughout your readership, do the ten or so feeds I received today that link to Piper&#039;s post on the bridge collapse count here? Well, except &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kinnon.tv/2007/08/why-i-will-neve.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kinnon&#039;s&lt;/a&gt;, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the risk of offending fanboys throughout your readership, do the ten or so feeds I received today that link to Piper&#8217;s post on the bridge collapse count here? Well, except <a href="http://www.kinnon.tv/2007/08/why-i-will-neve.html" rel="nofollow">Kinnon&#8217;s</a>, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 20:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,
Thanks for turning me on to Brant&#039;s blog! I clicked through to get the back story on Smalley and found myself reading old posts. I nearly pissed myself a couple of times &amp; co-workers are looking at me funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,<br />
Thanks for turning me on to Brant&#8217;s blog! I clicked through to get the back story on Smalley and found myself reading old posts. I nearly pissed myself a couple of times &amp; co-workers are looking at me funny.</p>
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		<title>By: Black Angus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Black Angus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was in a lecture by a well-known reformed Old Testament scholar.  After making sure the taping was off, he told us what happened after he wrote his first commentary.  He was approached by a publisher asking him if he would like to write another book, on another topic.  He replied that he had no expertise in that area and couldn&#039;t write it.  &#039;No problem&#039; the publisher said: &#039;we&#039;ll get a ghost writer to put it together and we&#039;ll publish it under your name.&#039;  When the scholar expressed his shock, the publisher said it happens all the time with the big names.  Sadly that made me cynical of all our current &#039;celebrities&#039;, good and bad.  But it made me realise I have to buy a book for its content, not for the name on the front.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was in a lecture by a well-known reformed Old Testament scholar.  After making sure the taping was off, he told us what happened after he wrote his first commentary.  He was approached by a publisher asking him if he would like to write another book, on another topic.  He replied that he had no expertise in that area and couldn&#8217;t write it.  &#8216;No problem&#8217; the publisher said: &#8216;we&#8217;ll get a ghost writer to put it together and we&#8217;ll publish it under your name.&#8217;  When the scholar expressed his shock, the publisher said it happens all the time with the big names.  Sadly that made me cynical of all our current &#8216;celebrities&#8217;, good and bad.  But it made me realise I have to buy a book for its content, not for the name on the front.</p>
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		<title>By: Bene D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bene D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 06:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t think I was asking an impossible question.

Thanks Brant, appreciate you responding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t think I was asking an impossible question.</p>
<p>Thanks Brant, appreciate you responding.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Shaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I&#039;ve never heard of some of the people you&#039;ve mentioned should I feel proud or uninformed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I&#8217;ve never heard of some of the people you&#8217;ve mentioned should I feel proud or uninformed?</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Bashor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawn Bashor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose if I knew who James White was I may get more of the gist of what you said about him picking you apart.

I can say though I do enjoy what I have read on your blog and the number of people who read/visit your blog is impressive that is for sure. 

So tell me how it feels to be a blogger superstar. This is being a celebrity in it&#039;s own right and even more so you are a celebrity to the celebrities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose if I knew who James White was I may get more of the gist of what you said about him picking you apart.</p>
<p>I can say though I do enjoy what I have read on your blog and the number of people who read/visit your blog is impressive that is for sure. </p>
<p>So tell me how it feels to be a blogger superstar. This is being a celebrity in it&#8217;s own right and even more so you are a celebrity to the celebrities.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are BHT shirts, but they are sold at cost.

The first time I knew anyone was reading me was when James White spent three longs posts taking me apart as a human being.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are BHT shirts, but they are sold at cost.</p>
<p>The first time I knew anyone was reading me was when James White spent three longs posts taking me apart as a human being.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So are you saying you don&#039;t have any iMonk t-shirts for sale???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So are you saying you don&#8217;t have any iMonk t-shirts for sale???</p>
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		<title>By: shaungroves</title>
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		<dc:creator>shaungroves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I am assuming that it’s the PUBLISHERS who tell CCM stars to write a “book.”&lt;/i&gt;

You assume correctly...sort of.

I&#039;m a &quot;CCM star&quot; I suppose.  Not my motivation, but it&#039;s happened.  If it helps you like me any more, I&#039;m not a very shiny star and I&#039;m fading out quickly.

BUT, when I was shinier and and rising publishers met with me to get me to write a book - any book - about anything.  They didn&#039;t care.  They ran the numbers and realized that if a tenth of my music audience bought my book they&#039;d sell more than their average release does.  Pure math.  

Most of them wanted to put me with a ghost writer.  &quot;Just tell them what you want to say and they&#039;ll write it out for you.&quot;  This was proposed without reading my writing samples or getting to know me.  It was assumed I couldn&#039;t write.

But I can, well enough to  sign a book deal recently, not on the basis of my musical sales (I don&#039;t sell jack anymore) but on the strength of the ideas.  It&#039;s a book that paints a broader portrait of salvation than the one I grew up with in evangelical America - what we&#039;re saved FOR, not just what we&#039;re saved FROM.

So, yes, you&#039;re right.  Managers, labels, and artists want exposure and so often, but not always, &quot;write&quot; books to throw gas on the fire of their musical careers.  And, yes, publishers provide that gas by asking singers to &quot;write&quot; books about anything.  And yes, &quot;fans&quot; buy these books just because of the name on the cover.

BUT, guys like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/002-0215002-5808066?initialSearch=1&amp;url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&amp;field-keywords=michael+card&amp;Go.x=10&amp;Go.y=13&amp;Go=Go&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Michael Card&lt;/a&gt; and ladies like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b/002-0215002-5808066?initialSearch=1&amp;url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&amp;field-keywords=margaret+becker&amp;Go.x=0&amp;Go.y=0&amp;Go=Go&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Margaret Becker&lt;/a&gt; are singers who have stories and ideas to share too large for two verses and a chorus.  These people don&#039;t look at books as gasoline but as one more way to communicate with the church.  And they use celebrity if it happens but their motives are not to become celebrities.  I suppose this because they continue to do what they do even when their celebrity wanes.

Would you blog if twelve people read, Michael?  I suspect you would.  You&#039;re a communicator.  But because you communicate so well you&#039;re marketable, you draw a crowd - dare I say you&#039;re a celebrity?  I&#039;m glad you clarified that your post is about motivation and that celebrity is not inherently evil - though dangerous.  I agree wholeheartedly.  Thanks for articulating what I think better than I can.  I suppose that&#039;s something you and celebrity authors/singers/preachers have in common huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I am assuming that it’s the PUBLISHERS who tell CCM stars to write a “book.”</i></p>
<p>You assume correctly&#8230;sort of.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a &#8220;CCM star&#8221; I suppose.  Not my motivation, but it&#8217;s happened.  If it helps you like me any more, I&#8217;m not a very shiny star and I&#8217;m fading out quickly.</p>
<p>BUT, when I was shinier and and rising publishers met with me to get me to write a book &#8211; any book &#8211; about anything.  They didn&#8217;t care.  They ran the numbers and realized that if a tenth of my music audience bought my book they&#8217;d sell more than their average release does.  Pure math.  </p>
<p>Most of them wanted to put me with a ghost writer.  &#8220;Just tell them what you want to say and they&#8217;ll write it out for you.&#8221;  This was proposed without reading my writing samples or getting to know me.  It was assumed I couldn&#8217;t write.</p>
<p>But I can, well enough to  sign a book deal recently, not on the basis of my musical sales (I don&#8217;t sell jack anymore) but on the strength of the ideas.  It&#8217;s a book that paints a broader portrait of salvation than the one I grew up with in evangelical America &#8211; what we&#8217;re saved FOR, not just what we&#8217;re saved FROM.</p>
<p>So, yes, you&#8217;re right.  Managers, labels, and artists want exposure and so often, but not always, &#8220;write&#8221; books to throw gas on the fire of their musical careers.  And, yes, publishers provide that gas by asking singers to &#8220;write&#8221; books about anything.  And yes, &#8220;fans&#8221; buy these books just because of the name on the cover.</p>
<p>BUT, guys like <a href="http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/002-0215002-5808066?initialSearch=1&amp;url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&amp;field-keywords=michael+card&amp;Go.x=10&amp;Go.y=13&amp;Go=Go" rel="nofollow">Michael Card</a> and ladies like <a href="http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b/002-0215002-5808066?initialSearch=1&amp;url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&amp;field-keywords=margaret+becker&amp;Go.x=0&amp;Go.y=0&amp;Go=Go" rel="nofollow">Margaret Becker</a> are singers who have stories and ideas to share too large for two verses and a chorus.  These people don&#8217;t look at books as gasoline but as one more way to communicate with the church.  And they use celebrity if it happens but their motives are not to become celebrities.  I suppose this because they continue to do what they do even when their celebrity wanes.</p>
<p>Would you blog if twelve people read, Michael?  I suspect you would.  You&#8217;re a communicator.  But because you communicate so well you&#8217;re marketable, you draw a crowd &#8211; dare I say you&#8217;re a celebrity?  I&#8217;m glad you clarified that your post is about motivation and that celebrity is not inherently evil &#8211; though dangerous.  I agree wholeheartedly.  Thanks for articulating what I think better than I can.  I suppose that&#8217;s something you and celebrity authors/singers/preachers have in common huh?</p>
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