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	<title>Comments on: Riffs: 04:02:09: The Episcopal Church Persecutes The Oppressed Muslim-Christian Minority</title>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 02:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve read the Gospels.
And I&#039;ve read Mohammad&#039;s particular spin on Jesus in the Koran.
What I fear is that attempting to resolve the two in a single unified theology might actually rupture the fabric of time and space,thereby causing the earth to be swallowed by a black hole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve read the Gospels.<br />
And I&#8217;ve read Mohammad&#8217;s particular spin on Jesus in the Koran.<br />
What I fear is that attempting to resolve the two in a single unified theology might actually rupture the fabric of time and space,thereby causing the earth to be swallowed by a black hole.</p>
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		<title>By: jared</title>
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		<dc:creator>jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 03:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am confused. Islam rejects the Trinity entirely and claims that Christians are polytheists. I wonder what Muslims think about this. Frankly I am surprised with the Episcopal church, considering their push for a &quot;one world religion.&quot; I am not sure how you defend the claim that the Muslim Allah is a member of the Holy Trinity of Christianity. Could you please explain yourself more?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am confused. Islam rejects the Trinity entirely and claims that Christians are polytheists. I wonder what Muslims think about this. Frankly I am surprised with the Episcopal church, considering their push for a &#8220;one world religion.&#8221; I am not sure how you defend the claim that the Muslim Allah is a member of the Holy Trinity of Christianity. Could you please explain yourself more?</p>
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		<title>By: JTB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JTB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 21:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW, first time I ever checked out this site and it makes my head spin. What some folks of faith have to say baffles me.  It would be great if those same folks really knew or understood the theology they claim to represent.  1 Jn 4:1-3 says &quot;Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God: because many false prophets have gone out into the world.  By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God.  And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.&quot;  I have a hard time understanding how we miss the big picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW, first time I ever checked out this site and it makes my head spin. What some folks of faith have to say baffles me.  It would be great if those same folks really knew or understood the theology they claim to represent.  <a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=1+Jn+4%3A1-3" class="bibleref" title="ESV 1Jn 4:1-3">1 Jn 4:1-3</a> says &#8220;Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God: because many false prophets have gone out into the world.  By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God.  And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.&#8221;  I have a hard time understanding how we miss the big picture.</p>
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		<title>By: lomagirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>lomagirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I should have read all Heather W.&#039;s posts before giving her a cheer. I like the first one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I should have read all Heather W.&#8217;s posts before giving her a cheer. I like the first one.</p>
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		<title>By: lomagirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>lomagirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get that the post is sarcastic. I agree that it&#039;s a little difficult to get up and say the Nicene creed and also believe the entire Koran. But, I&#039;m offended by many of these comments. Come on, you all. Not all muslims blow themselves up on buses. Can&#039;t we for once discuss religion without bringing in the fanatics? Enjoy the post, but don&#039;t bash another people of another faith.
Heather W.- you go girl!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get that the post is sarcastic. I agree that it&#8217;s a little difficult to get up and say the Nicene creed and also believe the entire Koran. But, I&#8217;m offended by many of these comments. Come on, you all. Not all muslims blow themselves up on buses. Can&#8217;t we for once discuss religion without bringing in the fanatics? Enjoy the post, but don&#8217;t bash another people of another faith.<br />
Heather W.- you go girl!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Pendell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Pendell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 23:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*BOING* 

Dog-gone it, Michael! You&#039;ve broke my sarcast-o-meter!  Now I&#039;ve gotta get another one from Radio Shack and they aren&#039;t cheap at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*BOING* </p>
<p>Dog-gone it, Michael! You&#8217;ve broke my sarcast-o-meter!  Now I&#8217;ve gotta get another one from Radio Shack and they aren&#8217;t cheap at all.</p>
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		<title>By: RosaRosa</title>
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		<dc:creator>RosaRosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 14:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The defrocked lady was either fooling herself or taught by someone who did not know Islam.  We all know that happens. Fortunately, her misinformation and/or misunderstanding of Islam only lead to her embracing two faiths and finally loosing her job, not killing anyone riding a bus.  A Muslim can not be an Episcopal priest. No offense to any particular faith, but it does not work that way if you are Muslim and apparently if you are an Episcopalian priest. The Episcopalian church was not wrong in defrocking her.  I saw that coming two years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The defrocked lady was either fooling herself or taught by someone who did not know Islam.  We all know that happens. Fortunately, her misinformation and/or misunderstanding of Islam only lead to her embracing two faiths and finally loosing her job, not killing anyone riding a bus.  A Muslim can not be an Episcopal priest. No offense to any particular faith, but it does not work that way if you are Muslim and apparently if you are an Episcopalian priest. The Episcopalian church was not wrong in defrocking her.  I saw that coming two years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 21:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh come on people....

This is so typical for what the rest of us &quot;eastern coptic orthodox catholic evangelical buddhist hindus&quot; run into.... but confucius had warned us of the intolerance we would face 8-)

Let&#039;s all gather around a campfire and sing kumbaja

But all kidding and sarcasm aside. All these practices above (and yes I&#039;ve dabbled in some of them in a little &quot;lost&quot; period in my life), have some good things in them. Certainly meditation practices, prayer, fasting, respect for others, for the environment, etc are all good things that usually we as evangelicals can use a little more of. I am still awed each time in an Eastern Orthodox service. Talk about thinking about the &quot;mystery of God&quot;. Nothing better ;-)

But frankly, combining the different faiths and accept both as truth is a bit far-fetched. Almost sound like a form of Pascal&#039;s wager on all fronts. Personally, I think Islam and Christianity are too diametrically opposed to be able to be reconciled. One can still appreciate their honesty in worship, their perseverance during Ramaddan, etc.. doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s the truth or aligns with Christianity.

Not judging this person, but I think the TEC did the right thing.

In Him
Mick

PS: If the fact that this trappist Monk can brew better beer thanks to his Zen skills... I&#039;m all for it ;-) Yes.. I&#039;m from Belgium.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh come on people&#8230;.</p>
<p>This is so typical for what the rest of us &#8220;eastern coptic orthodox catholic evangelical buddhist hindus&#8221; run into&#8230;. but confucius had warned us of the intolerance we would face <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s all gather around a campfire and sing kumbaja</p>
<p>But all kidding and sarcasm aside. All these practices above (and yes I&#8217;ve dabbled in some of them in a little &#8220;lost&#8221; period in my life), have some good things in them. Certainly meditation practices, prayer, fasting, respect for others, for the environment, etc are all good things that usually we as evangelicals can use a little more of. I am still awed each time in an Eastern Orthodox service. Talk about thinking about the &#8220;mystery of God&#8221;. Nothing better <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But frankly, combining the different faiths and accept both as truth is a bit far-fetched. Almost sound like a form of Pascal&#8217;s wager on all fronts. Personally, I think Islam and Christianity are too diametrically opposed to be able to be reconciled. One can still appreciate their honesty in worship, their perseverance during Ramaddan, etc.. doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s the truth or aligns with Christianity.</p>
<p>Not judging this person, but I think the TEC did the right thing.</p>
<p>In Him<br />
Mick</p>
<p>PS: If the fact that this trappist Monk can brew better beer thanks to his Zen skills&#8230; I&#8217;m all for it <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Yes.. I&#8217;m from Belgium.</p>
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		<title>By: Headless Unicorn Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Headless Unicorn Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 17:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;One thing I NEVER thought I’d see referenced on this website was furry fandom, let alone furry fandom IN SCHISM - way to make the character of inter-necine religious disputes totally meta-awkward by pointing out their creepy similitude with bizarre internet subcultures, Headless. Half my brain just jiggled and separated from itself.&lt;/i&gt; -- Pat Lynch

I try to make everybody&#039;s day a bit more surreal.

And as someone who&#039;s been involved in Furry Fandom before it even heard of the Internet, I can attest that there were furries and proto-furries who made their fandom into their Religion.  Their One True Way Fundamentalist Religion.  These True Believer types are the origin of most of the &quot;News of the Weird&quot; stories you hear about &quot;FURRREEEEEE&quot;s.

Because when you let anything take over your life with all the unsmiling seriousness of a fundamentalist religion, you have Left Behind any chance of a reality check and there is no way to keep from drifting off on a tangent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>One thing I NEVER thought I’d see referenced on this website was furry fandom, let alone furry fandom IN SCHISM &#8211; way to make the character of inter-necine religious disputes totally meta-awkward by pointing out their creepy similitude with bizarre internet subcultures, Headless. Half my brain just jiggled and separated from itself.</i> &#8212; Pat Lynch</p>
<p>I try to make everybody&#8217;s day a bit more surreal.</p>
<p>And as someone who&#8217;s been involved in Furry Fandom before it even heard of the Internet, I can attest that there were furries and proto-furries who made their fandom into their Religion.  Their One True Way Fundamentalist Religion.  These True Believer types are the origin of most of the &#8220;News of the Weird&#8221; stories you hear about &#8220;FURRREEEEEE&#8221;s.</p>
<p>Because when you let anything take over your life with all the unsmiling seriousness of a fundamentalist religion, you have Left Behind any chance of a reality check and there is no way to keep from drifting off on a tangent.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 22:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are very gravely mistaken to think that Muhammad is the same, or similar to Jesus.

The entire religion of Islam is a message of ungrace, Allah punishing people for their sins and rewarding them for good works. Where is the grace? Is this not completely contrary to the fundamentals of the Christian religion; that all our righteousness are as dirty as rags and we need further payment for our sins?

All of Christianity rests on the fact that God is willing to give us grace, which is what we do not deserve. Christ came to serve and so that we could know the Father through him.

Christ said &quot;I am THE way THE truth and THE light, NO ONE comes to the father, EXCEPT through me.&quot;
There is no room for anyone else ... the idea that Muhammad was, in any way shape or form, compatible with Christ is ludicrous.

I encourage you (the author) to watch this video: http://www.break.com/usercontent/2008/4/Fitna-New-English-Version-485249.html

The video reveals some of the true natures of Islam, which I believe--in my opinion--to be in fact formulated by the enemy of God.

--And by the way, the maker of that video was given a death warrant by the fundamental Islamic community by the way, and it appears in-print of Islamic governed newspapers--

Essentially what Islam is, is a religion of intolerance and salvation by works. True, many believers in Islam are backslidden and prescribe to a liberal, harmless interpretation of the Qur&#039;an. But the true idea of Islam is to conquer and convert the known world. If you read the Qur&#039;an, which I encourage you to do, you will see this. Convert or die; as simple as that. The fundamentalists wield the correct interpretation of the book and Muhammad&#039;s teachings, and make up a large portion (something like 10% of a BILLION people) of the Islamic community. These are the sort of people issuing &#039;jihads&#039;, and not against governments, nations, or powers but against ALL &#039;non-believers&#039;.

From the perspective of a Christian worldview, its teachers have all the elements of false prophets, which were warned against in the coming age. One of the characteristics, the Bible teaches, of a false prophet is sexual immorality. Muhammad was a libidinous, lascivious man. He was a violent man and a pedophile who had sex and force-married his 9 year old child-relative. According to Islam, the legal age of marriage is 9 years old, just because Muhammad said that &#039;God told him that&#039;.

Allah is not God and Muhammad is not his prophet.

I challenge anyone who disagrees with that.

Learn the truth, which will set you free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are very gravely mistaken to think that Muhammad is the same, or similar to Jesus.</p>
<p>The entire religion of Islam is a message of ungrace, Allah punishing people for their sins and rewarding them for good works. Where is the grace? Is this not completely contrary to the fundamentals of the Christian religion; that all our righteousness are as dirty as rags and we need further payment for our sins?</p>
<p>All of Christianity rests on the fact that God is willing to give us grace, which is what we do not deserve. Christ came to serve and so that we could know the Father through him.</p>
<p>Christ said &#8220;I am THE way THE truth and THE light, NO ONE comes to the father, EXCEPT through me.&#8221;<br />
There is no room for anyone else &#8230; the idea that Muhammad was, in any way shape or form, compatible with Christ is ludicrous.</p>
<p>I encourage you (the author) to watch this video: <a href="http://www.break.com/usercontent/2008/4/Fitna-New-English-Version-485249.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.break.com/usercontent/2008/4/Fitna-New-English-Version-485249.html</a></p>
<p>The video reveals some of the true natures of Islam, which I believe&#8211;in my opinion&#8211;to be in fact formulated by the enemy of God.</p>
<p>&#8211;And by the way, the maker of that video was given a death warrant by the fundamental Islamic community by the way, and it appears in-print of Islamic governed newspapers&#8211;</p>
<p>Essentially what Islam is, is a religion of intolerance and salvation by works. True, many believers in Islam are backslidden and prescribe to a liberal, harmless interpretation of the Qur&#8217;an. But the true idea of Islam is to conquer and convert the known world. If you read the Qur&#8217;an, which I encourage you to do, you will see this. Convert or die; as simple as that. The fundamentalists wield the correct interpretation of the book and Muhammad&#8217;s teachings, and make up a large portion (something like 10% of a BILLION people) of the Islamic community. These are the sort of people issuing &#8216;jihads&#8217;, and not against governments, nations, or powers but against ALL &#8216;non-believers&#8217;.</p>
<p>From the perspective of a Christian worldview, its teachers have all the elements of false prophets, which were warned against in the coming age. One of the characteristics, the Bible teaches, of a false prophet is sexual immorality. Muhammad was a libidinous, lascivious man. He was a violent man and a pedophile who had sex and force-married his 9 year old child-relative. According to Islam, the legal age of marriage is 9 years old, just because Muhammad said that &#8216;God told him that&#8217;.</p>
<p>Allah is not God and Muhammad is not his prophet.</p>
<p>I challenge anyone who disagrees with that.</p>
<p>Learn the truth, which will set you free.</p>
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