Comments on: Riffs: 01:10:09: “They Are Sinning Through Questioning” + The Pope Needs A Business Meeting

By: S. Dahl

S. Dahl — Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:56:18 +0000

Michael Krahn: “If memory of the period in question serves correctly, the context of that quote is that the guys in question disagreed with something, were given adequate time and occasion to air their grievances, but there was little support for their perspective.”

And we are to take your memory as more credible than Molly Worthen’s well-researched article in the NYT?

BTW: Your memory does not serve you correctly.

By: victorious

victorious — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 20:57:47 +0000

IMO,Driscoll pretty much rationalized away his treatment of fellow laborers, rebuffed rebukes and tried to justify his leadership reorg designed to gain power amongst and over men in setting aside the previous structure that was in place for a team to exercise God delegated authority to benefit the body.

Mark loves the limelight so God has met Mark in that venue via the NYT bringing up the issue that God still has with Mark.

By: Ky boy but not now

Ky boy but not now — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:24:16 +0000

Sorry about that. You want to pick the one about the “New Chandelier”.

By: Ky boy but not now

Ky boy but not now — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:21:11 +0000

For those who’ve never been to a true SBC business meeting here’s a link that will give you a taste of how some of the discussions can go.

http://www.rhapsody.com/playlistcentral/playlistdetail?playlistId=13868359
A minute and a half of Jerry Clower.

By: T. Salas

T. Salas — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:57:48 +0000

iMonk: “unfortunately, there is a familiar pattern.”

Indeed.
Apparently so: http://prayingheart.wordpress.com

By: dumb ox

dumb ox — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 00:15:47 +0000

It unfortunate, because there are a lot of folks out there confusing grace with entitlement. God doesn’t owe us a plugged nickel – not even the “elect”. I think both Calvin and Luther understood that. We can boldly approach the throne of Grace because of Christ, but boldness and arrogance are two completely different things. This is another way to fall into the faith-prosperity heresey without even trying. As the psalmist wrote, it is good to remember that we are dust.

By: Bob Hyatt

Bob Hyatt — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 05:48:45 +0000

Favorite Driscoll quote of the whole firing the two elders deal: “Shut up and do as you ‘re told.” (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM7dCj7QWKs)

Favorite line from the NY Times article: “Driscoll’s New Calvinism underscores a curious fact: the doctrine of total human depravity has always had a funny way of emboldening, rather than humbling, its adherents.”

Ouch on both counts.

By: Bill C.

Bill C. — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:40:42 +0000

Not that there’s probably any way to ever make it work, but it might be interesting if, at the outset, the leaders could say:

“If you are a “member” but you have not actually contributed anything financially since our last business meeting, you have no right to say anything about the way we spend our money now.”

It would be interesting to see how many faces turn red…

By: Bob Sacamento

Bob Sacamento — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:59:00 +0000

Obed,

After that was the budget portion of the meeting with the obligatory congregant-who-questions-every-cent in attendance. She might not have been to services in six months but there was no way she’d miss that meeting!

Oh my gosh, I could tell you some stories ….

By: kcillini77

kcillini77 — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:37:10 +0000

Chad Winters: No, no t-shirts this week. That series is probably a couple weeks away