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	<title>Comments on: Review: Thank God For Evolution! by Michael Dowd</title>
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		<title>By: Mohammad</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/review-thank-god-for-evolution-by-michael-dowd/comment-page-1#comment-173517</link>
		<dc:creator>Mohammad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 19:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please follow this link:
http://evolutioncreationinrevelation.blogspot.com/

The message in the link discusses the conflict between believing in mankind creation and evolution.
The message is for the believers and the nonbelievers; saying that the conflict between the creation of Adam and the evolution of mankind on earth is not necessary.
Through looking at those verses in Heaven&#039;s revelation which sheds light on the story of the creation of Adam, it is shown that these verses do not close the door in face of believing in evolution. On the contrary, those verses if being looked at from certain perspective, reveals that creation of humans was a process that had a beginning and that beginning was on earth and it went-on through stages.
In Chapter 32 in Quran, Verses 7-9 glorify the Lord “Who perfected everything He created, and Who ‘started’ mankind creation from ‘mud’ – then He made his breading comes from a bread from despised water (a word that describes semen)(probably referring to mammals) – then He shaped him and breathed into him of His Spirit, and appointed for you hearing and sight and hearts. Small thanks give ye!”
The words in these verses tell that creation had a start and that start was from mud (the origin of primitive life forms), then after some time, not instantly, there appeared a bread that reproduces by semen which could be mammals, then after some time, not instantly, the creation was fashioned and the Lord breathed into the new creature from His Spirit and gave him those distinct faculties. It is the blow of the spirit from the Lord that made Adam and his descendants different from all other creatures, and made all angles prostrate to Adam obeying the word of God. The verse uses him and his for reference to the creature from the beginning until the moment of blowing the spirit, then the verse switches to using you (Adam descendants).
In another point in the story, in Chapter 2, Verse 30, the Lord said unto the angels ‘I am about to place a viceroy in the earth’, the angels wondered ‘will you make therein one who do harm and shed blood while we praise you and glorify you!’ , and the answer came ‘Surely I know that which you know not’. The point here is that the angels spoke out their concern that this viceroy will do harm and shed blood in the earth, while according to clear verses in Quran: nobody, including angels, knows what is in the future. It is then understood that the angles predicted the behavior of the viceroy from the wrong doings they are seeing from his ancestors in earth.

However, this message is a view of its writer who admits that it could be partially or totally incorrect. The purpose of posting this message to the public is to expose the writer’s view to discussion in order to endorse, refine, or refute it.
The message is written in Arabic, addressing Arab audience who can understand clearly the meaning of the words in the Quran. In Arabic the message presents many other verses from Quran talking about creation while astonishingly leaves the door open for evolution.   Translation to other languages is appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please follow this link:<br />
<a href="http://evolutioncreationinrevelation.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://evolutioncreationinrevelation.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>The message in the link discusses the conflict between believing in mankind creation and evolution.<br />
The message is for the believers and the nonbelievers; saying that the conflict between the creation of Adam and the evolution of mankind on earth is not necessary.<br />
Through looking at those verses in Heaven&#8217;s revelation which sheds light on the story of the creation of Adam, it is shown that these verses do not close the door in face of believing in evolution. On the contrary, those verses if being looked at from certain perspective, reveals that creation of humans was a process that had a beginning and that beginning was on earth and it went-on through stages.<br />
In Chapter 32 in Quran, Verses 7-9 glorify the Lord “Who perfected everything He created, and Who ‘started’ mankind creation from ‘mud’ – then He made his breading comes from a bread from despised water (a word that describes semen)(probably referring to mammals) – then He shaped him and breathed into him of His Spirit, and appointed for you hearing and sight and hearts. Small thanks give ye!”<br />
The words in these verses tell that creation had a start and that start was from mud (the origin of primitive life forms), then after some time, not instantly, there appeared a bread that reproduces by semen which could be mammals, then after some time, not instantly, the creation was fashioned and the Lord breathed into the new creature from His Spirit and gave him those distinct faculties. It is the blow of the spirit from the Lord that made Adam and his descendants different from all other creatures, and made all angles prostrate to Adam obeying the word of God. The verse uses him and his for reference to the creature from the beginning until the moment of blowing the spirit, then the verse switches to using you (Adam descendants).<br />
In another point in the story, in Chapter 2, Verse 30, the Lord said unto the angels ‘I am about to place a viceroy in the earth’, the angels wondered ‘will you make therein one who do harm and shed blood while we praise you and glorify you!’ , and the answer came ‘Surely I know that which you know not’. The point here is that the angels spoke out their concern that this viceroy will do harm and shed blood in the earth, while according to clear verses in Quran: nobody, including angels, knows what is in the future. It is then understood that the angles predicted the behavior of the viceroy from the wrong doings they are seeing from his ancestors in earth.</p>
<p>However, this message is a view of its writer who admits that it could be partially or totally incorrect. The purpose of posting this message to the public is to expose the writer’s view to discussion in order to endorse, refine, or refute it.<br />
The message is written in Arabic, addressing Arab audience who can understand clearly the meaning of the words in the Quran. In Arabic the message presents many other verses from Quran talking about creation while astonishingly leaves the door open for evolution.   Translation to other languages is appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Edwards</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/review-thank-god-for-evolution-by-michael-dowd/comment-page-1#comment-173289</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 03:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Dowd,

I&#039;m not American (I&#039;m Australian) but I&#039;ve been following the upcoming U.S. federal election coverage (I take an interest in who will head the most powerful country in the world) and it concerns me that two Republican candidates, Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee, that are seen as serious contenders are Creationists.

I think it is an issue if someone in an important political position is a Creationist thus both ignorant and anxious about scientific facts and knowledge such as Evolution. Evolution is a central tenet to many fields within science and to deny it, and perhaps even thrust Creationism (I.D.) upon public schools, is a severely regressive position that will hold America back from scientific and social progress while other developed countries in Europe, Britain, Japan and Australia continue to progress unhindered.

Many religious people seem not to understand that a &#039;scientific theory&#039; is built upon a series of facts and that natural selection is indeed the theory science has proponded over the last 150 years while Evolution itself is indeed a fact.

Perhaps it would be a good idea if you could send a copy of your book to Huckabee and Romney!

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Dowd,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not American (I&#8217;m Australian) but I&#8217;ve been following the upcoming U.S. federal election coverage (I take an interest in who will head the most powerful country in the world) and it concerns me that two Republican candidates, Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee, that are seen as serious contenders are Creationists.</p>
<p>I think it is an issue if someone in an important political position is a Creationist thus both ignorant and anxious about scientific facts and knowledge such as Evolution. Evolution is a central tenet to many fields within science and to deny it, and perhaps even thrust Creationism (I.D.) upon public schools, is a severely regressive position that will hold America back from scientific and social progress while other developed countries in Europe, Britain, Japan and Australia continue to progress unhindered.</p>
<p>Many religious people seem not to understand that a &#8217;scientific theory&#8217; is built upon a series of facts and that natural selection is indeed the theory science has proponded over the last 150 years while Evolution itself is indeed a fact.</p>
<p>Perhaps it would be a good idea if you could send a copy of your book to Huckabee and Romney!</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Dowd</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/review-thank-god-for-evolution-by-michael-dowd/comment-page-1#comment-172586</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Dowd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blake,

Possibly.  I&#039;m not sure.  It&#039;s been a couple of decades since I&#039;ve read Bultmann.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blake,</p>
<p>Possibly.  I&#8217;m not sure.  It&#8217;s been a couple of decades since I&#8217;ve read Bultmann.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake Reas</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/review-thank-god-for-evolution-by-michael-dowd/comment-page-1#comment-172525</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake Reas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Dowd,

Are your views not close to what Bultmann did with his demythologizing of the New Testament? I found your comments interesting.

I am not saying that there is a one to one correspondance, since Bultmann sought to reinterpret the bible in terms of existential categories.

Blake</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Dowd,</p>
<p>Are your views not close to what Bultmann did with his demythologizing of the New Testament? I found your comments interesting.</p>
<p>I am not saying that there is a one to one correspondance, since Bultmann sought to reinterpret the bible in terms of existential categories.</p>
<p>Blake</p>
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		<title>By: rasselas</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/review-thank-god-for-evolution-by-michael-dowd/comment-page-1#comment-172208</link>
		<dc:creator>rasselas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 00:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel, Thanks again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel, Thanks again!</p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/review-thank-god-for-evolution-by-michael-dowd/comment-page-1#comment-172175</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can only say, read all of John Polkinghorne&#039;s books and especially Kenneth Miller&#039;s &quot;Finding Darwins God&quot;. 

Perfect for those looking to transcend the pseudo-science of Intelligent Design and Creationism.

And then read Alister McGrath&#039;s &quot;Dawkins God&quot; to get behind the pseudo-science of Dawkins and others of his ilk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can only say, read all of John Polkinghorne&#8217;s books and especially Kenneth Miller&#8217;s &#8220;Finding Darwins God&#8221;. </p>
<p>Perfect for those looking to transcend the pseudo-science of Intelligent Design and Creationism.</p>
<p>And then read Alister McGrath&#8217;s &#8220;Dawkins God&#8221; to get behind the pseudo-science of Dawkins and others of his ilk.</p>
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		<title>By: joel hunter</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/review-thank-god-for-evolution-by-michael-dowd/comment-page-1#comment-172088</link>
		<dc:creator>joel hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rasselas, to get a sense for the overall contours of his thought as well as an introduction to the main theses of almost all of his work, I&#039;d recommend first &lt;i&gt;Saving the Appearances: A Study in Idolatry&lt;/i&gt; (50s) and then &lt;i&gt;Poetic Diction: A Study in Meaning&lt;/i&gt; (20s).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rasselas, to get a sense for the overall contours of his thought as well as an introduction to the main theses of almost all of his work, I&#8217;d recommend first <i>Saving the Appearances: A Study in Idolatry</i> (50s) and then <i>Poetic Diction: A Study in Meaning</i> (20s).</p>
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		<title>By: rasselas</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/review-thank-god-for-evolution-by-michael-dowd/comment-page-1#comment-172047</link>
		<dc:creator>rasselas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is off-topic, sorry (enjoying the thread)
I&#039;ve read Lewis, Tolkien, Sayers and Williams but not Barfield.
I was intrigued by Joel Hunter&#039;s posts

Joel where should one begin reading Barfield?  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is off-topic, sorry (enjoying the thread)<br />
I&#8217;ve read Lewis, Tolkien, Sayers and Williams but not Barfield.<br />
I was intrigued by Joel Hunter&#8217;s posts</p>
<p>Joel where should one begin reading Barfield?  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Dowd</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/review-thank-god-for-evolution-by-michael-dowd/comment-page-1#comment-172030</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Dowd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Michael.  Yes, I will definitely look you up when I&#039;m in your neck of the woods.  May not be until 2009, however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Michael.  Yes, I will definitely look you up when I&#8217;m in your neck of the woods.  May not be until 2009, however.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 00:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wordpress really does the formatting. It looks fine. Next time just remove all html tags except italics, etc.</description>
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