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	<title>Comments on: Review: Jesus and The Victory of God by N.T. Wright</title>
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		<title>By: Yqrqgtrn</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/review-jesus-and-the-victory-of-god-by-nt-wright/comment-page-1#comment-247343</link>
		<dc:creator>Yqrqgtrn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s so interesting:,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s so interesting:,</p>
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		<title>By: adipex</title>
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		<dc:creator>adipex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 23:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;adipex...&lt;/strong&gt;

adipex  cialis  ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>adipex&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>adipex  cialis  &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pastor Rod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pastor Rod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 23:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,

I ran across this post while doing research for my own blog. What I find interesting is that I had a similar experience while reading Wright. I thought I knew pretty much everything about the Gospels and the Good News. But Wright made me rethink everything. I kept saying to myself, &quot;Where&#039;s this guy been all my life?&quot;

Rod</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>I ran across this post while doing research for my own blog. What I find interesting is that I had a similar experience while reading Wright. I thought I knew pretty much everything about the Gospels and the Good News. But Wright made me rethink everything. I kept saying to myself, &#8220;Where&#8217;s this guy been all my life?&#8221;</p>
<p>Rod</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 03:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Resurrection of the Son of God, 443f.

Read it for yourself. If Wright ever contradicted this in earlier debate, he certainly makes it completely clear in his volume on the Resurrection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Resurrection of the Son of God, 443f.</p>
<p>Read it for yourself. If Wright ever contradicted this in earlier debate, he certainly makes it completely clear in his volume on the Resurrection.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 03:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, I am still waiting for a citation from Dr. Wright&#039;s writings. I gave you one, and you call it names.

I&#039;ll check my copy of the Wright-Borg book to see what is said there.

Second, if you want me to listen to James White, you don&#039;t know me very well. Not a person I will read or listen to for any reason.

&quot;Puritan&quot;....if you have shown up in these comment threads to make a contribution, that is fine. But if your purpose is to promote James White and other people of his persuasion and to ridicule the posts here, I&#039;m not going to put up with it forever. I&#039;ve had my fill of the Truly Reformed police. Post away, but I hope there is more to your contribution than what I&#039;ve seen so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, I am still waiting for a citation from Dr. Wright&#8217;s writings. I gave you one, and you call it names.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll check my copy of the Wright-Borg book to see what is said there.</p>
<p>Second, if you want me to listen to James White, you don&#8217;t know me very well. Not a person I will read or listen to for any reason.</p>
<p>&#8220;Puritan&#8221;&#8230;.if you have shown up in these comment threads to make a contribution, that is fine. But if your purpose is to promote James White and other people of his persuasion and to ridicule the posts here, I&#8217;m not going to put up with it forever. I&#8217;ve had my fill of the Truly Reformed police. Post away, but I hope there is more to your contribution than what I&#8217;ve seen so far.</p>
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		<title>By: puritan!</title>
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		<dc:creator>puritan!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 03:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Michael for agreeing with me. I too think that it is serious business.

First, I did not say that he wrote. (And of all the books he has written, the &quot;for everyman&quot; series isn&#039;t very good or deep. I guess he catches his heretical statements in time for the publisher. LOL)

I said his &quot;outlandish statements that ruin everything else he believes&quot; 

One more time while I am sitting down and being instructed. &quot;Statements, statements, not books.&quot;

Perhaps you should know that N.T. Wright rejects the historicity of the Lazarus story—he believes that Lazarus was only swooning.  Begin listening to this &lt;a href=&quot;http://aomin.org/dl25.ram&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Real Audio clip&lt;/a&gt; at 41:25.


Transcribed for those without Real Player:

&lt;i&gt;Here, we have the miracle of Lazarus’ resurrection turned into the “miracle” of Jesus knowing what many other Jews already knew—that people sometimes seemed to be dead when they weren’t.

WRIGHT:      I’m not a professor but thank for the um… um… no.  Oh, yes I will, briefly.

Um… I, I take it that what is being described in John chapter 11 is what we would today call a “near death experience,” something that looked like death, but then, after a couple of days—and, of course, many Jews knew that people did seem to be dead for a day or two, that’s why they had the rule of going back to the tomb.

BORG:            Did he not smell?

WRIGHT:       No, that’s the point.  That’s the point.

[Intervening commentary from White from 41:45-42:39]

WRIGHT :     Um, that is exactly the point.  When Jesus says, “Take away the stone,” he says, “I thank you, Father, that you have heard me,” the logic of the paragraph must be, “because there isn’t a smell.”  That—uh—I’m quite sure that that’s what’s going on there.

[Intervening commentary from White from 42:55-43:18]

WRIGHT:      But this, then, is a matter of, as in many cultures, near death experiences have been reported.  And then it’s a matter of the timing and the significance and so on.  The fact that it’s only in John and not in the synoptics is quite irrelevant; all sorts of things in modern as well as in ancient things happen, um, we find in one source and one source only.&quot;


Yes Michael, you are right. It is very serious.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Michael for agreeing with me. I too think that it is serious business.</p>
<p>First, I did not say that he wrote. (And of all the books he has written, the &#8220;for everyman&#8221; series isn&#8217;t very good or deep. I guess he catches his heretical statements in time for the publisher. LOL)</p>
<p>I said his &#8220;outlandish statements that ruin everything else he believes&#8221; </p>
<p>One more time while I am sitting down and being instructed. &#8220;Statements, statements, not books.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps you should know that N.T. Wright rejects the historicity of the Lazarus story—he believes that Lazarus was only swooning.  Begin listening to this <a href="http://aomin.org/dl25.ram" rel="nofollow">Real Audio clip</a> at 41:25.</p>
<p>Transcribed for those without Real Player:</p>
<p><i>Here, we have the miracle of Lazarus’ resurrection turned into the “miracle” of Jesus knowing what many other Jews already knew—that people sometimes seemed to be dead when they weren’t.</p>
<p>WRIGHT:      I’m not a professor but thank for the um… um… no.  Oh, yes I will, briefly.</p>
<p>Um… I, I take it that what is being described in John chapter 11 is what we would today call a “near death experience,” something that looked like death, but then, after a couple of days—and, of course, many Jews knew that people did seem to be dead for a day or two, that’s why they had the rule of going back to the tomb.</p>
<p>BORG:            Did he not smell?</p>
<p>WRIGHT:       No, that’s the point.  That’s the point.</p>
<p>[Intervening commentary from White from 41:45-42:39]</p>
<p>WRIGHT :     Um, that is exactly the point.  When Jesus says, “Take away the stone,” he says, “I thank you, Father, that you have heard me,” the logic of the paragraph must be, “because there isn’t a smell.”  That—uh—I’m quite sure that that’s what’s going on there.</p>
<p>[Intervening commentary from White from 42:55-43:18]</p>
<p>WRIGHT:      But this, then, is a matter of, as in many cultures, near death experiences have been reported.  And then it’s a matter of the timing and the significance and so on.  The fact that it’s only in John and not in the synoptics is quite irrelevant; all sorts of things in modern as well as in ancient things happen, um, we find in one source and one source only.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes Michael, you are right. It is very serious.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Michael Spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok &quot;Puritan.&quot; I am teaching the Gospel of John, and I happen to be using N.T. Wright&#039;s &quot;John for Everyone&quot; book. If you will sit right there, I&#039;ll be right back, and verify your claim.

*comments on hold*

Im back. You are either mistaken, and need to check your sources, or you are passing along gossip without regard for the reputation of N.T. Wright.

And I quote:

&quot;The present passage is one of the most dramatic moments in the whole story of Jesus. When Jesus raised Jairus daughter in Mark 5, he ordered almost everyone out of the room, and when it was over he told them not to tell anyone. Now he stands in front of a large crowd, puts his reputation on the line, and shouts to Lazurus to come out. (The tomb, like many of the time, was clearly a cave, with a large stone across its mouth.)

And the dead man comes out- a heart-stopping moment of shuddering horror and overwhelming joy, mixed together like dark mud and liquid gold. All this is hugely important. If we don&#039;t feel its power, and find ourselves driven to awe and thanks and hope, then either we haven&#039;t learned to read ro we have hearts of stone.

N.T. Wright, John for Everyone, Vol II, pgs 13-14.

So....do you have quotes for your accusations and claims? We need to see them, because your claims are serious and I have never heard them before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok &#8220;Puritan.&#8221; I am teaching the Gospel of John, and I happen to be using N.T. Wright&#8217;s &#8220;John for Everyone&#8221; book. If you will sit right there, I&#8217;ll be right back, and verify your claim.</p>
<p>*comments on hold*</p>
<p>Im back. You are either mistaken, and need to check your sources, or you are passing along gossip without regard for the reputation of N.T. Wright.</p>
<p>And I quote:</p>
<p>&#8220;The present passage is one of the most dramatic moments in the whole story of Jesus. When Jesus raised Jairus daughter in <a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=Mark+5" class="bibleref" title="ESV Mark 5">Mark 5</a>, he ordered almost everyone out of the room, and when it was over he told them not to tell anyone. Now he stands in front of a large crowd, puts his reputation on the line, and shouts to Lazurus to come out. (The tomb, like many of the time, was clearly a cave, with a large stone across its mouth.)</p>
<p>And the dead man comes out- a heart-stopping moment of shuddering horror and overwhelming joy, mixed together like dark mud and liquid gold. All this is hugely important. If we don&#8217;t feel its power, and find ourselves driven to awe and thanks and hope, then either we haven&#8217;t learned to read ro we have hearts of stone.</p>
<p>N.T. Wright, John for Everyone, Vol II, pgs 13-14.</p>
<p>So&#8230;.do you have quotes for your accusations and claims? We need to see them, because your claims are serious and I have never heard them before.</p>
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		<title>By: puritan!</title>
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		<dc:creator>puritan!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your review was good for this particular book, but what I found troubling with NT Wright, is his outlandish statements that ruin everything else he believes. How can you trust a man who claims that Lazarus never died and that his body did not stink like the Gospel of John said. Also his ideas that praying for the dead may not be biblical but that he sees nothing wrong with it! 

For these and other reasons, I can never recommend him. I can find other sources that are just as good without being mislead with other beliefs, that sometimes borders on the insane or just plain dumb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your review was good for this particular book, but what I found troubling with NT Wright, is his outlandish statements that ruin everything else he believes. How can you trust a man who claims that Lazarus never died and that his body did not stink like the Gospel of John said. Also his ideas that praying for the dead may not be biblical but that he sees nothing wrong with it! </p>
<p>For these and other reasons, I can never recommend him. I can find other sources that are just as good without being mislead with other beliefs, that sometimes borders on the insane or just plain dumb.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2006 20:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice review.  I just started JVOG.  For any wanting a more condensed version check out &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0830822003/sr=1-1/qid=1139431510/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-8758342-7234267?%5Fencoding=UTF8&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Challenge Of Jesus&lt;/a&gt; also by Wright.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice review.  I just started JVOG.  For any wanting a more condensed version check out <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0830822003/sr=1-1/qid=1139431510/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-8758342-7234267?%5Fencoding=UTF8" rel="nofollow">The Challenge Of Jesus</a> also by Wright.</p>
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		<title>By: Realist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Realist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, the reference for the historical ratings of parts of the NT is http://www.faithfutures.org/JDB/intro.html .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, the reference for the historical ratings of parts of the NT is <a href="http://www.faithfutures.org/JDB/intro.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.faithfutures.org/JDB/intro.html</a> .</p>
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