Comments on: Recommendation and Review: Pierced For Our Transgressions by Steve Jeffery, Michael Ovey and Andrew Sach http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-pierced-for-our-transgressions-by-steve-jeffery-michael-ovey-and-andrew-sach ...dispatches from the post-evangelical wilderness Sat, 21 Nov 2009 10:19:56 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Brendt http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-pierced-for-our-transgressions-by-steve-jeffery-michael-ovey-and-andrew-sach/comment-page-1#comment-173840 Brendt Tue, 25 Dec 2007 11:20:19 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-pierced-for-our-transgressions-by-steve-jeffery-michael-ovey-and-andrew-sach#comment-173840 Jon: <i>...but in an irenic manner.</i> No fair. On this blog, only Michael is allowed to send me to the dictionary. ;-) Merry Christmas, everyone! Jon: …but in an irenic manner.

No fair. On this blog, only Michael is allowed to send me to the dictionary. ;-)

Merry Christmas, everyone!

]]> By: mshedden http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-pierced-for-our-transgressions-by-steve-jeffery-michael-ovey-and-andrew-sach/comment-page-1#comment-172583 mshedden Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:02:28 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-pierced-for-our-transgressions-by-steve-jeffery-michael-ovey-and-andrew-sach#comment-172583 Hey iMonk, Needless to say I disagree with the overall thought of the book, I flipped through it at my school library and found it interesting. What I found more helpful was a book that just came into our school titled Stricken by God? Nonviolent Identification and the Victory of Christ. It has essays from Volf, Allison, Wright, Borg, Weaver, Rohr, Rowan Williams, Ekblad, and many more, with endorsements from McLaren, Heim, Hauerwas, and Boyd. I would be really interested to hear your thoughts on a book that isn't focusing on refuting our traditional understandings of atonement, but that shows some strong viable alternatives (and this essays don't hide from the counter argument). Have merry Christmas. Hey iMonk,
Needless to say I disagree with the overall thought of the book, I flipped through it at my school library and found it interesting. What I found more helpful was a book that just came into our school titled Stricken by God? Nonviolent Identification and the Victory of Christ. It has essays from Volf, Allison, Wright, Borg, Weaver, Rohr, Rowan Williams, Ekblad, and many more, with endorsements from McLaren, Heim, Hauerwas, and Boyd. I would be really interested to hear your thoughts on a book that isn’t focusing on refuting our traditional understandings of atonement, but that shows some strong viable alternatives (and this essays don’t hide from the counter argument).
Have merry Christmas.

]]> By: Jon Bartlett http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-pierced-for-our-transgressions-by-steve-jeffery-michael-ovey-and-andrew-sach/comment-page-1#comment-172575 Jon Bartlett Sat, 22 Dec 2007 19:18:56 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-pierced-for-our-transgressions-by-steve-jeffery-michael-ovey-and-andrew-sach#comment-172575 Michael, I'd far rather give someone John Stott's 'The Cross of Christ' or Scott McKight's 'A Community Called Atonement', that both support PSA but in an irenic manner. They also APPLY atonement into the life of the church much better, rather than present it as an abstract belief. Every blessing this Christmas Jon Michael,

I’d far rather give someone John Stott’s ‘The Cross of Christ’ or Scott McKight’s ‘A Community Called Atonement’, that both support PSA but in an irenic manner. They also APPLY atonement into the life of the church much better, rather than present it as an abstract belief.

Every blessing this Christmas

Jon

]]> By: Jeff Barrett http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-pierced-for-our-transgressions-by-steve-jeffery-michael-ovey-and-andrew-sach/comment-page-1#comment-172310 Jeff Barrett Sat, 22 Dec 2007 03:13:40 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-pierced-for-our-transgressions-by-steve-jeffery-michael-ovey-and-andrew-sach#comment-172310 Groovy. I am a Calvinist myself, so I am especially hoping someone got me this book off my Amazon wish list. Thanks for posting the review! Groovy. I am a Calvinist myself, so I am especially hoping someone got me this book off my Amazon wish list. Thanks for posting the review!

]]> By: Michael Spencer http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-pierced-for-our-transgressions-by-steve-jeffery-michael-ovey-and-andrew-sach/comment-page-1#comment-172309 Michael Spencer Sat, 22 Dec 2007 03:02:49 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-pierced-for-our-transgressions-by-steve-jeffery-michael-ovey-and-andrew-sach#comment-172309 I am not a Calvinist and I don't accept limited atonement. (If someone wants to debate limited atonement, I'm not your guy.) So I don't accept their premise that a Calvinistic understanding of limited atonement is the heart of the gospel. But I do accept their definition of penal substitutionary atonement as a valid and Biblical description of one aspect of the person and work of Jesus. I would not see that message as dominant and controlling of the entirety of the Gospel as they do. I would agree with Lewis that specific and detailed theories of the atonement are not the ground of creedal agreement. Confessional, yes. Creedal, no. I am not a Calvinist and I don’t accept limited atonement. (If someone wants to debate limited atonement, I’m not your guy.) So I don’t accept their premise that a Calvinistic understanding of limited atonement is the heart of the gospel.

But I do accept their definition of penal substitutionary atonement as a valid and Biblical description of one aspect of the person and work of Jesus.

I would not see that message as dominant and controlling of the entirety of the Gospel as they do.

I would agree with Lewis that specific and detailed theories of the atonement are not the ground of creedal agreement. Confessional, yes. Creedal, no.

]]> By: Jeff Barrett http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-pierced-for-our-transgressions-by-steve-jeffery-michael-ovey-and-andrew-sach/comment-page-1#comment-172307 Jeff Barrett Sat, 22 Dec 2007 02:55:38 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-pierced-for-our-transgressions-by-steve-jeffery-michael-ovey-and-andrew-sach#comment-172307 Would you say you agreed or disagreed with the thesis of the book? Would you say you agreed or disagreed with the thesis of the book?

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