<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Recommendation and Review: For Men Only by Shaunti and Jeff Feldhahn</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-for-men-only-by-shaunti-and-jeff-feldhahn/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-for-men-only-by-shaunti-and-jeff-feldhahn</link>
	<description>...dispatches from the post-evangelical wilderness</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 12:47:28 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: Matt Wedel</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-for-men-only-by-shaunti-and-jeff-feldhahn/comment-page-1#comment-97126</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Wedel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 21:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-for-men-only-by-shaunti-and-jeff-feldhahn#comment-97126</guid>
		<description>Thank you, thank you for bringing these books to my attention. I think if we had read them 16 years ago, most of our fights could have been avoided. We might have found other things to argue about, but at least would have been arguing with each other instead of past each other. After finishing both books we looked at each other and both said, &quot;Whoa. I had &lt;i&gt;no idea&lt;/i&gt;.&quot; 

The past week has been one of the best of our marriage.

For people who haven&#039;t read the books, I highly recommend them. But please approach them with an open and humble heart, and be ready to confront some things that you&#039;d rather not think about. And pray!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, thank you for bringing these books to my attention. I think if we had read them 16 years ago, most of our fights could have been avoided. We might have found other things to argue about, but at least would have been arguing with each other instead of past each other. After finishing both books we looked at each other and both said, &#8220;Whoa. I had <i>no idea</i>.&#8221; </p>
<p>The past week has been one of the best of our marriage.</p>
<p>For people who haven&#8217;t read the books, I highly recommend them. But please approach them with an open and humble heart, and be ready to confront some things that you&#8217;d rather not think about. And pray!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Michael Spencer</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-for-men-only-by-shaunti-and-jeff-feldhahn/comment-page-1#comment-92569</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 15:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-for-men-only-by-shaunti-and-jeff-feldhahn#comment-92569</guid>
		<description>As I said, my wife asked me to read both books several months ago. I didn&#039;t. I read the For Men Only book this week as an act of repentance, and it was very searching and helpful. It gave me much to pray about and revealed many sins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said, my wife asked me to read both books several months ago. I didn&#8217;t. I read the For Men Only book this week as an act of repentance, and it was very searching and helpful. It gave me much to pray about and revealed many sins.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Marcia</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-for-men-only-by-shaunti-and-jeff-feldhahn/comment-page-1#comment-92568</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 15:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-for-men-only-by-shaunti-and-jeff-feldhahn#comment-92568</guid>
		<description>I&#039;m probably coming across as more contentious than I mean to be.  If so, I apologize.

Everyone comes at things from a different perspective, and mine is definitely different than yours.

Personally, if a woman who has a husband who is even willing to read this book?  You&#039;re most likely a lot better off than you realize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m probably coming across as more contentious than I mean to be.  If so, I apologize.</p>
<p>Everyone comes at things from a different perspective, and mine is definitely different than yours.</p>
<p>Personally, if a woman who has a husband who is even willing to read this book?  You&#8217;re most likely a lot better off than you realize.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Michael Spencer</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-for-men-only-by-shaunti-and-jeff-feldhahn/comment-page-1#comment-92565</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 15:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-for-men-only-by-shaunti-and-jeff-feldhahn#comment-92565</guid>
		<description>I feel sorry for them too, but you are taking an extreme position. A caricature of legitimate problems that have nothing to do with &quot;screaming MY NEEDS.&quot;

You&#039;ve made an excellent point. Obviously this book isn&#039;t for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel sorry for them too, but you are taking an extreme position. A caricature of legitimate problems that have nothing to do with &#8220;screaming MY NEEDS.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve made an excellent point. Obviously this book isn&#8217;t for you.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Marcia</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-for-men-only-by-shaunti-and-jeff-feldhahn/comment-page-1#comment-92564</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 15:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-for-men-only-by-shaunti-and-jeff-feldhahn#comment-92564</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Stop thinking of yourselves. Get over it.â€

Lots of men and women take that approach with their spouses and their kids.

People like me get to work with the outcomes: Divorce, broken families, affairs, addictions.&lt;/i&gt;




Oh, come on.  You&#039;re saying that divorces and addictions are caused by expecting folks to realize their blessings and not expecting their spouse to meet every need possible?  

Like I said, too much time on someone&#039;s hands.

What about when Christ says to serve?  To sacrifice?  Speaking relationally, how about the least being first?

Screaming my needs, my needs does not seem to come into play there.

I guess where I am coming from is that I work with all women, and the things they say about their husbands are ridiculous.  The things they get angry and hurt about are trivial.  There are a lot of women who feel the need to be insulted about pretty much anything.

I feel sorry for these poor guys who are working hard to take care of their families and are made to be miserable over this stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Stop thinking of yourselves. Get over it.â€</p>
<p>Lots of men and women take that approach with their spouses and their kids.</p>
<p>People like me get to work with the outcomes: Divorce, broken families, affairs, addictions.</i></p>
<p>Oh, come on.  You&#8217;re saying that divorces and addictions are caused by expecting folks to realize their blessings and not expecting their spouse to meet every need possible?  </p>
<p>Like I said, too much time on someone&#8217;s hands.</p>
<p>What about when Christ says to serve?  To sacrifice?  Speaking relationally, how about the least being first?</p>
<p>Screaming my needs, my needs does not seem to come into play there.</p>
<p>I guess where I am coming from is that I work with all women, and the things they say about their husbands are ridiculous.  The things they get angry and hurt about are trivial.  There are a lot of women who feel the need to be insulted about pretty much anything.</p>
<p>I feel sorry for these poor guys who are working hard to take care of their families and are made to be miserable over this stuff.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Michael Spencer</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-for-men-only-by-shaunti-and-jeff-feldhahn/comment-page-1#comment-92561</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 15:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-for-men-only-by-shaunti-and-jeff-feldhahn#comment-92561</guid>
		<description>It would certainly be possible to say in all marriage or family problems, &quot;Listen you fat Americans. You&#039;re spoiled. Stop thinking of yourselves. Get over it.&quot;

Lots of men and women take that approach with their spouses and their kids.

People like me get to work with the outcomes: Divorce, broken families, affairs, addictions.

I&#039;m not validating selfishness. I&#039;m validating what God made us to be: relational creatures. Love. Respect. Listening. Value. These are parts of the imago dei. They aren&#039;t to become so important that other things don&#039;t matter, but I can tell you without a doubt that if I feel my wife doesn&#039;t respect me, it&#039;s a problem. A real problem and a problem that stops me in much that I am called to do.

Love one another as I have loved you, Jesus said. Love your wife as I have loved you. These are relational and they are descriptive of what it means to be human, where feeling unloved is hell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would certainly be possible to say in all marriage or family problems, &#8220;Listen you fat Americans. You&#8217;re spoiled. Stop thinking of yourselves. Get over it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Lots of men and women take that approach with their spouses and their kids.</p>
<p>People like me get to work with the outcomes: Divorce, broken families, affairs, addictions.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not validating selfishness. I&#8217;m validating what God made us to be: relational creatures. Love. Respect. Listening. Value. These are parts of the imago dei. They aren&#8217;t to become so important that other things don&#8217;t matter, but I can tell you without a doubt that if I feel my wife doesn&#8217;t respect me, it&#8217;s a problem. A real problem and a problem that stops me in much that I am called to do.</p>
<p>Love one another as I have loved you, Jesus said. Love your wife as I have loved you. These are relational and they are descriptive of what it means to be human, where feeling unloved is hell.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Marcia</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-for-men-only-by-shaunti-and-jeff-feldhahn/comment-page-1#comment-92557</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 15:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-for-men-only-by-shaunti-and-jeff-feldhahn#comment-92557</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;But the divorce rate in the church is largely a matter of marriages that canâ€™t cope or repair themselves&lt;/i&gt;

Okay, but how much of that not being able to cope comes from unrealistic expectations?

The fact that our basic needs &lt;i&gt; are&lt;/i&gt; met, and we don&#039;t have to worry about, you know, survival, gives us too much time on our hands to drum up insignificant &quot;he doesn&#039;t validate me&quot; problems.

I am, again, not addressing the book but the comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But the divorce rate in the church is largely a matter of marriages that canâ€™t cope or repair themselves</i></p>
<p>Okay, but how much of that not being able to cope comes from unrealistic expectations?</p>
<p>The fact that our basic needs <i> are</i> met, and we don&#8217;t have to worry about, you know, survival, gives us too much time on our hands to drum up insignificant &#8220;he doesn&#8217;t validate me&#8221; problems.</p>
<p>I am, again, not addressing the book but the comments.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Michael Spencer</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-for-men-only-by-shaunti-and-jeff-feldhahn/comment-page-1#comment-92555</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 14:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-for-men-only-by-shaunti-and-jeff-feldhahn#comment-92555</guid>
		<description>I think the work of preserving marriages is a noble work. I also think it&#039;s important we learn how to see our own sins (selfishness) in the light of the call to love others in community. The Feldhahns, without partaking of the self-help culture- do good research and observations (much like Proverb&#039;s call to pay attention) and then suggest how the genders can listen, love, respect and encourage each other.

If our approach is going to be, &quot;Women in the Sudan manage to survive without much respect because they are fighting for life,&quot; we&#039;ve really just articulated Maslow&#039;s Hierarchy of Needs, i.e. a person who needs bread isn&#039;t worried about does my husband listen. That&#039;s a good point. But the divorce rate in the church is largely a matter of marriages that can&#039;t cope or repair themselves, not a matter of adultery, etc.

I appreciate your point that Americans are a bit self-consumed, but ask any missionary agency why missionary families must come home, and marriage trouble will be high on the list. 

The issues in this book are simply human ones, and are worth our consideration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the work of preserving marriages is a noble work. I also think it&#8217;s important we learn how to see our own sins (selfishness) in the light of the call to love others in community. The Feldhahns, without partaking of the self-help culture- do good research and observations (much like Proverb&#8217;s call to pay attention) and then suggest how the genders can listen, love, respect and encourage each other.</p>
<p>If our approach is going to be, &#8220;Women in the Sudan manage to survive without much respect because they are fighting for life,&#8221; we&#8217;ve really just articulated Maslow&#8217;s Hierarchy of Needs, i.e. a person who needs bread isn&#8217;t worried about does my husband listen. That&#8217;s a good point. But the divorce rate in the church is largely a matter of marriages that can&#8217;t cope or repair themselves, not a matter of adultery, etc.</p>
<p>I appreciate your point that Americans are a bit self-consumed, but ask any missionary agency why missionary families must come home, and marriage trouble will be high on the list. </p>
<p>The issues in this book are simply human ones, and are worth our consideration.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Marcia</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-for-men-only-by-shaunti-and-jeff-feldhahn/comment-page-1#comment-92553</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 14:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-for-men-only-by-shaunti-and-jeff-feldhahn#comment-92553</guid>
		<description>I&#039;ll take your word for it.  Like I said, I was just basing my comments on what I read on Amazon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take your word for it.  Like I said, I was just basing my comments on what I read on Amazon.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Michael Spencer</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-for-men-only-by-shaunti-and-jeff-feldhahn/comment-page-1#comment-92551</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 14:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-for-men-only-by-shaunti-and-jeff-feldhahn#comment-92551</guid>
		<description>You haven&#039;t read the book. It&#039;s not whining, I assure you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You haven&#8217;t read the book. It&#8217;s not whining, I assure you.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

