Comments on: Recommendation and Review: Evangelicals and Tradition by D.H. Williams http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-evangelicals-and-tradition-by-dh-williams ...dispatches from the post-evangelical wilderness Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:47:17 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Nicolas http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-evangelicals-and-tradition-by-dh-williams/comment-page-1#comment-117150 Nicolas Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:46:42 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-evangelicals-and-tradition-by-dh-williams#comment-117150 I just got my copy from amazon. Your review had me very interested I just got my copy from amazon. Your review had me very interested

]]> By: C.N.I. http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-evangelicals-and-tradition-by-dh-williams/comment-page-1#comment-110285 C.N.I. Fri, 29 Jun 2007 22:14:05 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-evangelicals-and-tradition-by-dh-williams#comment-110285 To stand in church singing "Gladsome Light" (Phos hilaron) at Vespers or "O Only Begotten Son" (Monogenes hyos )at Liturgy, "Nunc dimittis", "Magnificat' or "The Great Doxology" in a church where this has been done unceasingly for centuries, that is indeed TRADITION. Not something "recovered" by scholars, but the incessant prayer of a people mostly unaware that they, in fact, carry on the unbroken tradition of the early church. To stand in church singing “Gladsome Light” (Phos hilaron) at Vespers or “O Only Begotten Son” (Monogenes hyos )at Liturgy, “Nunc dimittis”, “Magnificat’ or “The Great Doxology” in a church where this has been done unceasingly for centuries, that is indeed TRADITION. Not something “recovered” by scholars, but the incessant prayer of a people mostly unaware that they, in fact, carry on the unbroken tradition of the early church.

]]> By: Clay http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-evangelicals-and-tradition-by-dh-williams/comment-page-1#comment-109375 Clay Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:40:18 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-evangelicals-and-tradition-by-dh-williams#comment-109375 Your blog has given voice to my own slow-moving search through the modern evangelical landscape for what my spirit longs for as authentic church. I will get a copy of Williams book as I continue that journey. I don't know that I'm entirely comfortable yet with calling myself "post evangelical," but I do resonate with most of your convictions about the recovery of tradition in the evangelical church. My own are mostly being formed at this point by personal experience and biblical reflection, not by "post evangelical" thinkers and authors. I just don't know who they are, how to speak their language, or which of their books are the best. So, could I humbly ask you to share your "must-read list for evangelicals" for those of us who have an intuitive sense of what our spirit longs for, but need to have it confirmed and sharpened by more disciplined thinkers. A short-list would be fine. Thanks. Your blog has given voice to my own slow-moving search through the modern evangelical landscape for what my spirit longs for as authentic church. I will get a copy of Williams book as I continue that journey.

I don’t know that I’m entirely comfortable yet with calling myself “post evangelical,” but I do resonate with most of your convictions about the recovery of tradition in the evangelical church. My own are mostly being formed at this point by personal experience and biblical reflection, not by “post evangelical” thinkers and authors. I just don’t know who they are, how to speak their language, or which of their books are the best.

So, could I humbly ask you to share your “must-read list for evangelicals” for those of us who have an intuitive sense of what our spirit longs for, but need to have it confirmed and sharpened by more disciplined thinkers. A short-list would be fine.

Thanks.

]]> By: Nicholas Anton http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-evangelicals-and-tradition-by-dh-williams/comment-page-1#comment-109353 Nicholas Anton Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:13:05 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-evangelicals-and-tradition-by-dh-williams#comment-109353 The dynamics operating in the early church in the first centuries were integral with and virtually identical with those operating within secular politics of the time. It seems that as the “world” functions, likewise the church. The transition of the early church from a family-type natural organism (elder/senior led which includes both male and female in their respective traditional roles) as Jesus taught, to an autocratic class defined institution (the rulers versus those ruled) occurred very rapidly towards the end of the first and into the second century A.D. Along with practice, the definition of the terms themselves [“elder” (presbuterus), overseer (episkapos), servant (diakonos)] transitioned from Hebrew to Greco-Roman concepts, frequently without the general populace being aware of and taking significant note of the change. This debate continues into our times as seen in the various forms of church government. And yet, few in our generation are aware of the dynamics of early church history. The dynamics operating in the early church in the first centuries were integral with and virtually identical with those operating within secular politics of the time. It seems that as the “world” functions, likewise the church. The transition of the early church from a family-type natural organism (elder/senior led which includes both male and female in their respective traditional roles) as Jesus taught, to an autocratic class defined institution (the rulers versus those ruled) occurred very rapidly towards the end of the first and into the second century A.D. Along with practice, the definition of the terms themselves [“elder” (presbuterus), overseer (episkapos), servant (diakonos)] transitioned from Hebrew to Greco-Roman concepts, frequently without the general populace being aware of and taking significant note of the change. This debate continues into our times as seen in the various forms of church government. And yet, few in our generation are aware of the dynamics of early church history.

]]> By: Carson Weber http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-evangelicals-and-tradition-by-dh-williams/comment-page-1#comment-109314 Carson Weber Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:13:00 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-evangelicals-and-tradition-by-dh-williams#comment-109314 I also recommend the classic work by Yves [Marie Joseph] Congar, Tradition and Traditions, though it's hard to find in print these days. I also recommend the classic work by Yves [Marie Joseph] Congar, Tradition and Traditions, though it’s hard to find in print these days.

]]> By: fr. Peter http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-evangelicals-and-tradition-by-dh-williams/comment-page-1#comment-108748 fr. Peter Wed, 27 Jun 2007 00:18:50 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-evangelicals-and-tradition-by-dh-williams#comment-108748 This is a really good book. In fact, someone in Saint Pat's Church has my copy. I need to get it back!! This is a really good book. In fact, someone in Saint Pat’s Church has my copy. I need to get it back!!

]]> By: chrisstiles http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-evangelicals-and-tradition-by-dh-williams/comment-page-1#comment-108708 chrisstiles Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:09:26 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/recommendation-and-review-evangelicals-and-tradition-by-dh-williams#comment-108708 Hi Michael -- Would you or your readers have an opinion as to whether this effectively replaces his earlier book on "Retrieving the Tradition" - or if the older work is the one to get? Hi Michael –

Would you or your readers have an opinion as to whether this effectively replaces his earlier book on “Retrieving the Tradition” – or if the older work is the one to get?

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