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	<title>Comments on: Postcards To A Young Theologian 4</title>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2006 18:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay,
The answer to your second question seems to me to follow a simple chain of logic (or &quot;presuppositions&quot; if you prefer).
1) God is perfect
this means that
2) God only does things perfectly
We know that
3) God used these men as leaders.
Therefore 
   These men were perfect leaders

This line of reasoning also seems to drive the argument for Biblical inerrancy. We grow very uncomfortable with God using an apparently fallible means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay,<br />
The answer to your second question seems to me to follow a simple chain of logic (or &#8220;presuppositions&#8221; if you prefer).<br />
1) God is perfect<br />
this means that<br />
2) God only does things perfectly<br />
We know that<br />
3) God used these men as leaders.<br />
Therefore<br />
   These men were perfect leaders</p>
<p>This line of reasoning also seems to drive the argument for Biblical inerrancy. We grow very uncomfortable with God using an apparently fallible means.</p>
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		<title>By: Histrion (Jay H)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Histrion (Jay H)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael: two questions for you.

1. Do you think that attitudes of &quot;veneration and unquestioned submission to leaders&quot; are related to the use of the Bible as a, to use your term, &quot;magic book?&quot;

2. If the disciples (including the apostles-to-be) are so clearly portrayed in Mark&#039;s Gospel as (heh) disappointing, why do so many people interpret them as being perfect leaders and conduits of God&#039;s Spirit after Jesus&#039;s resurrection (or after Pentecost, alternatively)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael: two questions for you.</p>
<p>1. Do you think that attitudes of &#8220;veneration and unquestioned submission to leaders&#8221; are related to the use of the Bible as a, to use your term, &#8220;magic book?&#8221;</p>
<p>2. If the disciples (including the apostles-to-be) are so clearly portrayed in Mark&#8217;s Gospel as (heh) disappointing, why do so many people interpret them as being perfect leaders and conduits of God&#8217;s Spirit after Jesus&#8217;s resurrection (or after Pentecost, alternatively)?</p>
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		<title>By: 2m</title>
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		<dc:creator>2m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 06:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S.

an interesting article &quot;How a religious CULTure is Created&quot; see: http://www.batteredsheep.com/pdf/think04.pdf

MM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S.</p>
<p>an interesting article &#8220;How a religious CULTure is Created&#8221; see: <a href="http://www.batteredsheep.com/pdf/think04.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.batteredsheep.com/pdf/think04.pdf</a></p>
<p>MM</p>
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		<title>By: 2m</title>
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		<dc:creator>2m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 05:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a new believer I got caught up in a Christian group that characterized all of the above.  In fact we were so exclusive we prided ourselves as following the New Testament pattern, while being convinced that most of the mainstream evangelicals were not.  I devoted 21+ years to the group.

When I left as a &quot;find out&quot;, as opposed to a &quot;washed out&quot;, or a &quot;burned out&quot; or a &quot;kicked out&quot; (see http://nextreformation.com/html/articles/recover.htm) the only thing the group admitted to was their exclusivity, while ignoring all the other abuses practiced liberally in the name of &quot;spiritual&quot; zeal.  To date, most of the leaders have not apologized, and especially not on blogospere nor via email nor via letter.

Yes, it is refreshing that Mark Driscoll has the guts to admit his error and repent publicly.  Having experienced &quot;spiritual abuse&quot;, I say a hearty &quot;Amen&quot; to your post.  I now fellowship at a Baptist church where the congregation is made up of individuals from a variety of backgrounds (CRC, Lutheran, Brethren, etc..), the pastors are accountable to the elders, and, that which most take for granted, I appreciate that much more because of my history.

There is a warning for each of us to not be like the &quot;foolish Galatians&quot; who gave up their liberty in Christ to &quot;follow another gospel&quot;.

Regards,
MM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a new believer I got caught up in a Christian group that characterized all of the above.  In fact we were so exclusive we prided ourselves as following the New Testament pattern, while being convinced that most of the mainstream evangelicals were not.  I devoted 21+ years to the group.</p>
<p>When I left as a &#8220;find out&#8221;, as opposed to a &#8220;washed out&#8221;, or a &#8220;burned out&#8221; or a &#8220;kicked out&#8221; (see <a href="http://nextreformation.com/html/articles/recover.htm)" rel="nofollow">http://nextreformation.com/html/articles/recover.htm)</a> the only thing the group admitted to was their exclusivity, while ignoring all the other abuses practiced liberally in the name of &#8220;spiritual&#8221; zeal.  To date, most of the leaders have not apologized, and especially not on blogospere nor via email nor via letter.</p>
<p>Yes, it is refreshing that Mark Driscoll has the guts to admit his error and repent publicly.  Having experienced &#8220;spiritual abuse&#8221;, I say a hearty &#8220;Amen&#8221; to your post.  I now fellowship at a Baptist church where the congregation is made up of individuals from a variety of backgrounds (CRC, Lutheran, Brethren, etc..), the pastors are accountable to the elders, and, that which most take for granted, I appreciate that much more because of my history.</p>
<p>There is a warning for each of us to not be like the &#8220;foolish Galatians&#8221; who gave up their liberty in Christ to &#8220;follow another gospel&#8221;.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
MM</p>
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		<title>By: dpaultaylor57</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2006 22:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Paul’s warning to the Corinthians that their personality cults were infantile seems lost on even the most intelligent among us.&quot;

Exactly. You encounter it every day when you enter the blogosphere. So let Paul speak to them: &quot;We are fools for Christ, but you are so wise in Christ! We are weak, but you are strong! You are honored, we are dishonored!&quot; (1 Cor. 4:10). And one other thing: Whose example would you prefer to follow?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Paul’s warning to the Corinthians that their personality cults were infantile seems lost on even the most intelligent among us.&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly. You encounter it every day when you enter the blogosphere. So let Paul speak to them: &#8220;We are fools for Christ, but you are so wise in Christ! We are weak, but you are strong! You are honored, we are dishonored!&#8221; (<a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&amp;q=1+Cor.+4%3A10" class="bibleref" title="ESV 1Cor 4:10">1 Cor. 4:10</a>). And one other thing: Whose example would you prefer to follow?</p>
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