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	<description>...dispatches from the post-evangelical wilderness</description>
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		<title>By: BKC</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/plan-9-from-lower-space/comment-page-1#comment-3665</link>
		<dc:creator>BKC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I was so stupified when I first heard this that it took me twenty minutes to be convinced it wasn&#039;t one of Rachetfever&#039;s practical jokes, like the Rick Warren mask last year.&quot;


You&#039;re killing me...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I was so stupified when I first heard this that it took me twenty minutes to be convinced it wasn&#8217;t one of Rachetfever&#8217;s practical jokes, like the Rick Warren mask last year.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re killing me&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: joel hunter</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/plan-9-from-lower-space/comment-page-1#comment-3666</link>
		<dc:creator>joel hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now if we can just convince John Cleese to record this...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now if we can just convince John Cleese to record this&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JohnB</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/plan-9-from-lower-space/comment-page-1#comment-3667</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent. I think Lewis would be happy with your style and quality. I also think he would agree with your point. I certainly do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent. I think Lewis would be happy with your style and quality. I also think he would agree with your point. I certainly do.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/plan-9-from-lower-space/comment-page-1#comment-3668</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ROFL!

The spirit of satire as influenced by Clive himself is alive and well in the sanctum sanctorum of the Internet Monk.

Jolly good show!

Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ROFL!</p>
<p>The spirit of satire as influenced by Clive himself is alive and well in the sanctum sanctorum of the Internet Monk.</p>
<p>Jolly good show!</p>
<p>Eric</p>
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		<title>By: JS Bangs</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/plan-9-from-lower-space/comment-page-1#comment-3669</link>
		<dc:creator>JS Bangs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a classic, iMonk. I hope it becomes as popular as it deserves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a classic, iMonk. I hope it becomes as popular as it deserves.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Rew</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/plan-9-from-lower-space/comment-page-1#comment-3670</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Rew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny! :-) Sad! :-( But funny! :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny! <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Sad! <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' />  But funny! <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: MMM</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/plan-9-from-lower-space/comment-page-1#comment-3671</link>
		<dc:creator>MMM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;re laughing, it&#039;s probably true.

Oh, God.

Save me from Your people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re laughing, it&#8217;s probably true.</p>
<p>Oh, God.</p>
<p>Save me from Your people.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Callaghan</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/plan-9-from-lower-space/comment-page-1#comment-3672</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Callaghan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kind of like the Light being put under the basket of growth. 

So sad ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kind of like the Light being put under the basket of growth. </p>
<p>So sad &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jendi</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/plan-9-from-lower-space/comment-page-1#comment-3673</link>
		<dc:creator>Jendi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You wrote: &quot;influencing the church to not simply turn away from the Gospel, but to transform itself into an institution that opposes the Gospel for the sake of the church.&quot;
So true - and not confined to evangelicals. In the Episcopal Church I belong to, it takes the form of a seeker-sensitive relativism in the sermons, i.e. &quot;define Jesus in the way that feels right for you, and don&#039;t worry about the creed.&quot; At least we have the prayerbook and the hymnal to keep sound doctrine in front of us, even if the preacher then gets up and says &quot;you don&#039;t have to take this seriously&quot;. 
But we wouldn&#039;t mind a few more parking spaces :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You wrote: &#8220;influencing the church to not simply turn away from the Gospel, but to transform itself into an institution that opposes the Gospel for the sake of the church.&#8221;<br />
So true &#8211; and not confined to evangelicals. In the Episcopal Church I belong to, it takes the form of a seeker-sensitive relativism in the sermons, i.e. &#8220;define Jesus in the way that feels right for you, and don&#8217;t worry about the creed.&#8221; At least we have the prayerbook and the hymnal to keep sound doctrine in front of us, even if the preacher then gets up and says &#8220;you don&#8217;t have to take this seriously&#8221;.<br />
But we wouldn&#8217;t mind a few more parking spaces <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: kcillini</title>
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		<dc:creator>kcillini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>iMonk,

    I&#039;ve been reading your site for the last month or so, and your commentary has given me lots to ponder.  Judging by the responses I have read to most of your posts I am one of your few readers actually attending a Saddleback affiliated church.  I am not here to defend Rick Warren - in fact, many of your points echo much of what I have been thinking for a year or so.  However, what has kept me in my church is the fact that never in my 28 years of life have I been so personally motivated to discover what I believe - to read the scriptures for all they are worth and to spend time each day reading apologetics and theology - all the while being encouraged each week in church to actually live out my Christianity in relationship with others.  I realize that not everyone in my church is motivated in the same way, but our pastor is constantly encouraging our members to dig deeper in their personal study.  While I have been in churches where the messages were much deeper and the pastor was bringing us hard core theology each week my personal response to this was to feel I was learning enough on Sundays which left me unmotivated to dig deeper on my own.  In addition, I wasn&#039;t as challenged in practical ways to show love to others as I am in my current church.  So for someone like me, a &quot;starvation&quot; of theology on Sundays drives me deeper into it in my own study and makes me an &quot;evangelist&quot; for such learning among my friends within my own church.  If you ask our pastors they will tell you that is exactly the desire - that people will hunger for more and seek it out.  Again, I know there are inherent problems with this for some people.  But my point is - this isn&#039;t an absolute issue.  It&#039;s not an issue like morality.  This is a case where what may be true for you isn&#039;t true for me.  Some people need different settings to motivate them into deeper relationship with their heavenly Father.  But I must admit - I am agreeing with you more and more about worship songs.  I have stopped singing some of our songs when I realize I&#039;m lying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>iMonk,</p>
<p>    I&#8217;ve been reading your site for the last month or so, and your commentary has given me lots to ponder.  Judging by the responses I have read to most of your posts I am one of your few readers actually attending a Saddleback affiliated church.  I am not here to defend Rick Warren &#8211; in fact, many of your points echo much of what I have been thinking for a year or so.  However, what has kept me in my church is the fact that never in my 28 years of life have I been so personally motivated to discover what I believe &#8211; to read the scriptures for all they are worth and to spend time each day reading apologetics and theology &#8211; all the while being encouraged each week in church to actually live out my Christianity in relationship with others.  I realize that not everyone in my church is motivated in the same way, but our pastor is constantly encouraging our members to dig deeper in their personal study.  While I have been in churches where the messages were much deeper and the pastor was bringing us hard core theology each week my personal response to this was to feel I was learning enough on Sundays which left me unmotivated to dig deeper on my own.  In addition, I wasn&#8217;t as challenged in practical ways to show love to others as I am in my current church.  So for someone like me, a &#8220;starvation&#8221; of theology on Sundays drives me deeper into it in my own study and makes me an &#8220;evangelist&#8221; for such learning among my friends within my own church.  If you ask our pastors they will tell you that is exactly the desire &#8211; that people will hunger for more and seek it out.  Again, I know there are inherent problems with this for some people.  But my point is &#8211; this isn&#8217;t an absolute issue.  It&#8217;s not an issue like morality.  This is a case where what may be true for you isn&#8217;t true for me.  Some people need different settings to motivate them into deeper relationship with their heavenly Father.  But I must admit &#8211; I am agreeing with you more and more about worship songs.  I have stopped singing some of our songs when I realize I&#8217;m lying.</p>
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