October 23, 2017

Open Thread: What Might Be God’s Purposes In A Major Economic Downturn?

None of us know God’s ways and purposes beyond what He has revealed in scripture or in our own experience. But taking those lessons and “sanctified common sense,” we can think in terms of possibilities.

For instance, I have my students answer the question: “What were God’s possible purposes in allowing Saul to be such a failure as king of Israel?” Their answers help them think about what God was doing in the nation and for David.

So here’s an open thread question that I promised on last week’s podcast:

“What Might Be Some of God’s Purposes In Allowing A Major Economic Downturn?”

Talk amongst yourselves.

Comments

  1. ahhh our religion, like sux, Beavis?

    Honestly the “financial crisis” is the perfect mirror

    http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/hell-meet-handbasket-part-i/2008/11/13/

  2. Patrick Lynch,

    Carolyn is obviously using the King James Version of the Bible. In just about every other version of the Bible that I know of, what is translated “Elias” in the New Testament of the KJV is translated “Elijah”.

  3. PATRICK: …(yes, thanks lonelypilgrim….in some places in the KJV he is also called Elijah (translated and never died physically).

    Elijah/Elias is part of God’s perfect plan concerning Israel… the only nation who has never heard the Gospel of the Kingdom.(according to my interpretation of scriptures)….simply because God prevented them to accomplish His purposes. Just before the second coming of Christ….the blind/deaf remnant of Israel will hear the gospel, experience the death, non-burial, and resurrection of Moses and Elijah. They will hear the voice from heaven say, “come up hither.” They will see them ascend. Now they are experiencing all the things they were prevented from experiencing before. Reading the account in Revelations is almost like being way back there to the time of Christ and being a part of His preaching, death, burial, and resurrection.

  4. Headless Unicorn Guy says:

    Besides, You KNOW you don’t think the Anti-Christ is going to be a woman. Or this mythological banking personage. His name is JONATHAN STONEGAL OH SNAP I’VE BEEN LEFT BEHIND!!!!! — Patrick Lynch

    You DO know the origin of the name “Stonagal”, don’t you? According to the massmind over at Slacktivist’s page-by-page analysis/review:

    “Stone-A-Gal” = “Rock-A-Feller”; Get it?

    (Can you hear Jerry Jenkins laughing at his own Cleverness?)

  5. Headless Unicorn Guy says:

    did not say one “man”; don’t be so sexist. Well, if our complicated, worldwide, inter-connected economy could be solved by one person, it would be a miraculous event, now wouldn’t it? Many Obama supporters I have talked to believe his policies will be the cure. Time will tell. — Boethius

    Translation: “OBAMA *IS* THE ANTICHRIST! DON’T TAKE HIS MARK!”

  6. Headless Unicorn Guy says:

    Carolyn is obviously using the King James Version of the Bible. In just about every other version of the Bible that I know of, what is translated “Elias” in the New Testament of the KJV is translated “Elijah”. — Lonely Pilgrim

    Being KJV-only DOES fit with Carolyn’s apparent Left Behind Fever. Everything she’s posted so far has a distinct PMD ring to it, and PMDs are often KJV-only. Enoch & Elijah being the “Two Witnesses” mentioned in Revelation is a more common identification than Left Behind‘s Moses & Elijah (“Moe & Eli”) teamup.

    (PMD = “Pre-Millenial Dispensationalists” or “Protestants of Mass Destruction”, take your pick.)

  7. CelticIndian says:

    I have never commented here before, and probably shall never do so again. I am truly sorry to see Christians jeering at & ridiculing one another simply for having differing theories (and all of them are just that – theories) on exactly how eschatology will unfold. That some believe there will never be a final disposition of the effects of sin on God’s creation is an interesting idea, but I am familiar with the system of belief that asserts that we are always progressing, and always to a better place…unfortunately, I don’t believe humankind is any less fallen today than it was when it was, say, burning people alive to worship the deity du jour. That belief should not subject me to un-Christlike scorn or ridicule. There isn’t a person on here (or a theological system in existence) who can conclusively state how the world came into being or how God will conclude history. Diversity of opinion is fine, but opinions are like…noses. Everyone has one, and everyone’s is different. A little more respect for the other guy’s nose would be nice.

  8. “Stone-A-Gal” = “Rock-A-Feller”; Get it?”

    Wow.

    Thank you for this.

    Wow.

  9. CelticIndian, chill out, dude. We like Carolyn. We don’t really understand her sometimes, but she’s good people.

    One thing is true though, is that a lot of us have been yelled at be incoherent PMD theorists bent on convincing us that Thee Ende Is Niyghe, claiming one piece of especially special revalation or another, talking crazy about the mark of the beast and casting aspersions on random politicians… nobody likes that.

    I have no idea if Carolyn is for real or not when it comes to this End Times stuff, but I doubt it, and she understands that she’s saying stuff so similar to the charlatans and insane people that we can’t really be faulted for not taking her words as the next Gospel. It’s no stress. Lots of us don’t care much about eschatology anyways.

  10. “the only nation who has never heard the Gospel of the Kingdom.(according to my interpretation of scriptures)….”

    You completely lost me on this one. How is it that the Jews could possibly have avoided hearing the Gospel when Jesus himself, while alive, preached to them?

  11. Read Eye for and Eye. Good book.

  12. Headless Unicorn Guy says:

    CelticIndian, chill out, dude. We like Carolyn. We don’t really understand her sometimes, but she’s good people.

    I don’t really understand Pre-Trib Carolyn MOST of the time.

    One thing is true though, is that a lot of us have been yelled at be incoherent PMD theorists bent on convincing us that Thee Ende Is Niyghe, claiming one piece of especially special revalation or another, talking crazy about the mark of the beast and casting aspersions on random politicians… nobody likes that.

    And I have a personal reason. Remember Hal Lindsay? And his 67th book of the Bible, Late Great Planet Earth? Ye Ende is Niyghe (TM) messed up my head big-time for close to twenty years; even thirty years down the line, I have to fight constantly against Christian Nihilism (“It’s All Gonna Burn”) to accomplish ANYTHING. (If It All Ends Tomorrow and It’s All Gonna Burn, why bother?)

    I lost 20-30 years of my life to the “Here Comes The Antichrist! It’s All Gonna Burn! Scripture! Scripture! Scripture! Scripture! Rapture! Rapture! Rapture! Rapture!” End Time Prophecy obsession like Carolyn preaches. A Christless gospel of escape fantasy followed by lip-smacking revenge fantasy, with or without LaHaye & Jenkins’ author self-inserts.

  13. I almost bought a copy of Late Great Planet Earth at Goodwill this afternoon. Then I read a couple pages.

  14. Headless Unicorn Guy says:

    Remember, Pat, that book was given authority equal to or superior to the Bible among a LOT of Christians back when Henry Kissinger was PROVEN to be The Antichrist. And the plague of demon locusts in Revelation was PROVEN to be helicopter gunships armed with chemical weapons and piloted by long-haired bearded hippies. And Revelation itself was PROVEN to be a vision of Nuclear War.

    I used to make a crack that “Their Bible is only 3 1/2 books — Daniel, Revelation, the ‘Nuclear War Chapter’ of Ezekiel (the half) and Late Great Planet Earth.” And I wasn’t exaggerating — those WERE the only parts used in a LOT of “Bible Studies” at the time — I was there!

    “What a long, strange trip it’s been…”
    — The Grateful Dead

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