October 19, 2017

Open Mic at the iMonk Cafe: What Would You Say to the Marilyn Manson Audience?

rock_3821First read the story of Christian protestors at a Marilyn Manson concert. (Slow…be patient)

Then, savor the irony: If you read Manson’s biography, he’s the product of Christian parenting and fundamentalist education.

Marilyn Manson was born as Brian Hugh Warner in Canton, Ohio, the son of Barb Wyer and Hugh Jack Warner. His father was a Roman Catholic and his mother was an Episcopalian. According to his autobiography The Long Hard Road Out of Hell, …He was raised in his mother’s religion. Warner attended Heritage Christian School from first grade to tenth grade.

Instead of owning up to one of the unfortunate possible results of fundamentalism, Christians are protesting and denouncing Manson.

So, imagine through the magic of the Internet Monk Research Department, you are able to place an ad on a website that will be read by everyone who attended the Manson concert and saw the protestors.

What would your ad say? (Limit: 350 words)

Comments

  1. *…is instead of protesting, buy a ticket or two, go inside and rock a little.*

    Sorry to serial-post but I can’t let this go: Marilyn Manson *does not rock*. He is lame. He always was lame, but he puffed himself up on shock value for a while and rode that to a kind of corn-syrup, faux-quasi-notoriety for a while. He is *not* in any way countercultural but is instead exactly as plastic and bought-and-paid-for as the Jonas Brothers or Britney Spears or any other “pop” artist. He doesn’t play music but rather plays a TYPE of music. He doesn’t have fans but rather has a TYPE of fans.

    • indeed.

      Once again Christian knee-jerk folks wasting their time and energy on a group of people whose goal it is to get a reaction from us mundane types.
      The irony of the two caricatures having this tussle is embarrassing on both sides.

      The protesters should be picketing TBN et al.

    • yeah go on tell ’em why you’re MAD, J

    • Waltizing Matilda says:

      Marilyn Manson stinks! AC/DC rules! *ducks and runs away*

  2. Talk to me. I’m listening.

  3. “Greetings from from the Sword of Joshua Independent Fundamental Seeker-Sensitive Assembly”
    ” We’re All Stars Now In the Dope Show”

  4. Let’s hang out sometime.

    (Jesus implored us – always share the Gospel. Use words only when necessary)

  5. I think we are losing a little balance in some of the comments. Angry picket in your face tactics are not very effective and yes they do not do a good job of showing the love of Christ, but just as we should not be using and exploiting our youth for those tactics I think it is just as unwise to say our kids should attend these concerts that are offensvie by any sane person’s standards so that they can be “Christ at meal with the publicans.”

    There is a differnce in teaching your children that when you encounter someone that may be “Goth” or “alternative” to treat them with the love and respect that Christ commands towards all, but to imply that our children should somehow join in with this culture to be the “leaven” within is just as unwise as teaching them a bunker fundie mentality.

    • Headless Unicorn Guy says:

      And there are Christian Goths out there! Browse this site sometime!

      The illustration at the top of this page says it all. I went through the same crap 30 years ago except then it was D&D instead of Goth.

      • D&D was/is awesome and i think on a totally different level than Goth fashion statements. When someone dresses goth, including the MM crowd, it can either be a bit of fun and experimenting with identity, or, if you really go all out with it, letting a fashion trend speak for you and conforming to it’s mask of identity.

        • Headless Unicorn Guy says:

          I understand Goths don’t consider the MM crowd to be Goth.
          They call them “Spookyboys”.

  6. “Marilyn Manson Now Going Door-To-Door Trying To Shock People”

    http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28771

  7. Hi iMonk…

    Actually, I’m from Canton, OH, too, and have a little insider info. This guy graduated from GlenOak, a very large PUBLIC high school…the same HS I graduated from, and he was in my little sister’s class. He was pretty unremarkable in those days.

    I think it is really stretching it to say this guy was a possible “result” of fundamentalism. He had a grandfather who was wicked and used to mas******* in front of him in the basement of their home. His parents, as you said, with Catholic & Episcopalian background…in what universe is that “fundamental.” I know the churches in that area and none of the Catholic or Episcopal ones would fit the fundie description.

    Heritage Christian school would be moreso, that is true…but with the family issues and the fact that he didn’t even attend there during his whole school years (not even close), I think it’s pushing it to make this association. The guy is actually a pretty sad character. I feel sorry for him.

  8. I would say to the fans, “Why? What about MM’s music makes you want to spend the evening with it?”
    And, no, I am not spending my Dollars voting for this guy. And I don’t think missionary dating is a good idea either.

  9. *…but just as we should not be using and exploiting our youth for those tactics I think it is just as unwise to say our kids should attend these concerts that are offensvie by any sane person’s standards…*

    I still don’t get it: Why is this even considered to rise to the level of ethics or morality? *No one* of any religious or philosophical should go to a Marilyn Manson concert because *he’s not a very good musician*.

    You don’t even need to go to the Bible or the Qur’an or principles of hospitality or discernment or anything else: Mere *aesthetics* are a more than adequate guard against any “danger” in this case. I think it’s unavoidable: The more people hear of MM, the faster they’ll come to dislike him. If MM is the ambassador of demonic forces, then we have NOTHING to worry about: Satan’s clearly fielding the scrub team.

  10. the ad: To Marilyn Manson, Forgive us. – the Church

    Actually I say scrap the ad and follow Debbie’s example. Or Jesus’. They are the same in my belief.

    I thought the Kingdom functions like a mustard seed or yeast. i think i read that somewhere.

    If we are really concerned about these people and not just being righteous we need to be patient and let the Spirit do it’s work. We seem so concerned with getting folks across this line in a hurry and should be more about them walking a path with Jesus and us. That line will get crossed on the way. I pray we have more faith in the Lord to save us (and us includes MM/Brian and his fans) and keep us than in the real enemy to mislead us.

    We are asking people to trust in a God they don’t believe in. So first we need them to trust us. And they will never do that unless we get to know each other. Eventually they will come to realize that it is Christ in us that they trust because without him we would be untrustworthy.

    A wise man once said, “Preach the Gospel every day – sometimes use words.”

    • Scotty,
      Well said. I really want to follow Christ’s command to go and make disciples, but I don’t believe that proselytizing is really what Jesus intended. I *do* believe that all people will eventually be judged and if they haven’t received Christ, they will face eternal separation from God; however, I don’t think I was called to be that judge. Consider, for example, John 12:46-48

      “I have come into the world as light, so that whoever believes in me may not remain in darkness. If anyone hears my words and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. The one who rejects me and does not receive my words has a judge; the word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day.”

      • Todd Erickson says:

        How can those that have not received Christ face eternal separation from God when only those who have received Christ will receive eternal life? You can’t have eternal anything if you haven’t been granted eternal life.

  11. *To Marilyn Manson, Forgive us. – the Church*

    I’m sure I’m on the verge of really annoying people and/or being accused of thread-monopolization here but here goes again: Scott, that’s like saying, “Coca-Cola Corporation, Forgive Us”. Whatever else MM is, he is notnotNOT a sincere creature. He’s a market animal. There was a niche of “downer” teenagers to be sold CDs (back when CDs could still be sold) and bad T-shirts and overpriced tickets and he filled it.
    There’s no “rebellion” worthy of the name going on here: It’s all a very contained capitalist transaction between a businessman and his customers.

    • You’re missing the point entirely – Manson is a just musician doing his dumb thing in Florida that got national popularity BECAUSE there was what you call a ‘niche of downer teenagers’ who related and rocked out to his albums by the millions.

      Why Manson existed at the level of cultural consciousness that he did (instead of, say, a more or less violent, more anti-social, or more musical rock frontman – and there were and remain bars full of aspiring Generation Spokesmodels, to be sure) is ENTIRELY the point – and that’s not a product of marketing but of building an audience through the expression of a quintessentially musical virtue: sincerity, which you seem to think he doesn’t have.

      I think Manson’s music sucks, and I think his gimmick is wack, but I absolutely don’t doubt that he resonated with his fans because he was, in some sense that you and Christian Culture Warriordom cannot seem to understand, One Of Them.

      Real people respect that.

      Until Christians give it up to stand with disaffected teenagers, drug abusers, and losers, not to “save” them, but as One Of Them, all this proselytizing is adspace and consequently meaningless.

    • You’re missing the point entirely – Manson is a just musician doing his dumb thing in Florida that got national popularity BECAUSE there was what you call a ‘niche of downer teenagers’ who related and rocked out to his albums by the millions.

      Why Manson existed at the level of cultural consciousness that he did (instead of, say, a more or less violent, more anti-social, or more musical rock frontman – and there were and remain bars full of aspiring Generation Spokesmodels, to be sure) is ENTIRELY the point – and that’s not a product of marketing but of building an audience through the expression of a quintessentially musical virtue: sincerity, which you seem to think he doesn’t have.

      I think Manson’s music sucks, and I think his gimmick is wack, but I absolutely don’t doubt that he resonated with his fans because he was, in some sense that you and Christian Culture Warriordom cannot seem to understand, One Of Them.

      Real people respect that.

      Until Christians give it up to stand with disaffected teenagers, drug abusers, and losers, not to “save” them, but to be counted as One Of Them, all this proselytizing is adspace and consequently meaningless.

  12. im so sorry for the misinterpretation of jesus all of you had at one time or another.But the facts remain the same no matter what you do.the only way to Godand heaven is through Jesus Christ himself and in order to do that you have to be completely sincere and ask Jesus to wash your sins away and to forgive your evil and sinful ways.once that is done then go and live your life by going the way Jesus did.Find a true church and surround yourself with god loving and fearing people.yes fearing not to be afraid but knowing he can devastate your life and to fear him in that way which will lead to even more of a worshipful attitude that every day we have all we need plus the extras he allows us to have we should bow and give thanks.

    as for all these deluded poor souls they need to realize that God doesnt let them down man does it.God does all his things he does for us in His time Not ours.Remember also that badhappens to good people or old people or just about everyone because God gave free will.which means if the devil puts a terrible idea of say killing someone in someones mind that is as tiny as a grain of rice then that person either does the wrong thing and pulls a trigger or strangles or whatever that results in a death or deaths of people.or they choose the right and throws the thought out prays about it tells thier church family so they can help him by praying and counseling.God doesnt allow all the rapes murders atrocities against children women old people or men He simply allows us to choose Him or satan.just because people who are so imperfect and sinful let you down dissapoint you or just plain disgust you or worse yet hurt you just remember its not our loving caring awesome merciful God it is the will of people to choose bad over good.to impart evil to you instead of goodness into your life.love everyone because thats the highest priority on Gods and Jesus’s commandments.these men need to grow up and take up the mantle for Gods sake so in the end there wont be anyone in hell i pray. praise be to God the Holiest of the Holy The most Highest power in the land and to you Christ Jesus you I stand in awe of and thank you

    bu

    • I’m sorry, but I’m afraid that another, “Whatever” is in order here. Your audience does not respond well to Christian propaganda.

    • salvation has as much to do with this life as it does with life after death. Or life after life after death for that matter.

      also the Celtic Way of Evangelism is a fantastic book. And a quick read at 144 pages.
      http://www.amazon.com/Celtic-Way-Evangelism-Christianity-West-Again/dp/0687085853

    • Todd Erickson says:

      As members of God’s priesthood, we must tell people who God is, and why Jesus is necessary to their life…after showing them.

      Telling people that they’re deluded fools because they haven’t already realized something that we aren’t showing or telling them in a meaningful way (Jesus loves you! Let me hit you with my bible again, you jerk!”) is not only hypocritical, it’s actively misleading people. Which there will be judgment for, according to Paul.

  13. Ugh, Francis never said that. How silly.

  14. “It’s cool, I was a teenager once, too.”

  15. Whether Francis said it or not is irrelevant really. People in America have ‘heard it all before’. They need to see it at work.

    Let’s quote another wise man. Andrew Jones via twitter:
    “Too many teachers, too few fathers.; no wonder we have become a church with a big head and a small heart.”

    • I like that quote!

      • I like that quotation a lot too. Pray that the Church will have a bigger heart, big enough to take in all the hurting folks who do not know that God is so close to them. So many of us, to believe in God, have to see a little bit of unconditional love from humans before they can even get an inkling of what that may be like when God offers that love.

  16. Mr. Spencer,
    First off I’d like to say hello!!!! It’s been a very long time since Bible class! In relation to your question I think one should be open to the Holy Spirit and hopefully words of hope and encouragement and salvation could be delivered without an us against you mentality! Coming from an attitude seeking that kind of entertainment, dress code, lifestyle or persona whether it be goth or punk or metal, I’ve been there not only as a participant but also as the entertainer on stage performing and music is at the forefront! Kids listen to musical trends and fallow the genre that possibly gives them the most sense of belonging to a group that they feel they can relate to. Telling people that a musical style or fashion trend or anything related to all these things are wrong, only turns people away from what really is important! The action of nonjudgmental acceptance and love for people no matter what can speak in magnificent volumes. I would invite them to a show of absolute undeniable metal prowess like “August Burns Red”,”Mychildren Mybride”,”the Famine”,”Impending Doom”, “A Plea for Purging”, “Oh,Sleeper”,”Haste the Day”,”War of Ages” among many other amazing Christian bands. Come with my crew and be accepted. There is always room for another in the Army Of God and we want your lost and tired and sick! Even people who like make up!!!!!!!!!!lol!
    Scarred from sacrifice

  17. Oops! I just read the part about making the comment like an add! I’ m bad at fallowing instructions! Sorry!

  18. Is this for real?
    My cousin was once hired by a P.R. film to hold signs and protest the opening of a movie. The producers of the movie paid for the protest, hoping the controversy would generate publicity.

    If they really wanted to shut down MM’s minor popularity, they would have had the 65-year old buying tour T-shirts and really embracing the scene.

    • Clever. They’re right, one of the best ways of generating sales for a movie, book, TV show, whatever is for there to be controversy. It works both ways, BTW – as “Passion of the Christ” demostrated.

  19. My ad would say.

    God loves you, we have to because He said to. If you need help with anything, anything at all that we might be able to assist with, food, clothes, counseling, transportation,substance abuse, loneliness, anything, call Dayspring Bible Chapel, 570-822-1714, someone will help you without judging, We will do our best, He commands it.

  20. Terrible music. Terrible protests. No wonder everyone seems so unhappy!

  21. Jesus loves you no matter what.
    Peace. Love. Joy. Life.
    No more sorrow, war, hatred, oppression, injustice.

  22. Blood! Pain! Body Piercing! Death!
    The true story of Jesus is about the darkest deeds of humankind, and a man who wouldn’t stay dead.
    But you probably didn’t get that from the guys protesting outside the concert. That is why the Church needs you.

    • This one’s good. Seriously, you’re on the right track.

    • Great, I loved it.

    • Headless Unicorn Guy says:

      Great. Short and to the point.

      And the Church DOES need Goths and Spookyboys. And D&Ders, and Furries.

      We’ve been dominated by Televangelists and Church Ladies for too long.

      • I have to say, I definitely need a large injection of charity towards the Furries (mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa!)

        Especially since people who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones, and I’ve been a Trekkie since waaay back 🙂

        So, for the patron saint of the Furries, we have St. Christopher the Dog-Head:

        http://m-francis.livejournal.com/78828.html

        Mike Flynn here says he was from Ireland, but he was an Eastern Orthodox saint. It’s St. Murgen the Mermaid who’s Irish 😉

  23. Why is ANYONE protesting Manson? Isn’t that like protesting KISS? or Alice Cooper? Kine of old news.

    I think he would have a great conversation with any of us. I remember an interview he did when he was getting married for the first time. The interviewer was flummoxed by his support of marriage, being the guy that bashes every religious institution. But his comment was something like: “There’s something about marriage to commit yourself to one person, where we spend the rest of our lives back to back, swords drawn, protecting each other from whatever life throws at us”

    I thought it was interesting that he could still see the moral clarity of that union.

    My experience is that these folks would responde better to dialogue, since they’re used to protests. It would do both parties good.

    • Waltizing Matilda says:

      Marilyn Manson was mid-90’s. Kiss and Alice Cooper are from the 70’s.

    • Headless Unicorn Guy says:

      And by the mid-Nineties, the side effects of the Sixties/Seventies had grown to an elephant-sized pile in the Baby Boomers’ living room.

  24. “Hey, have you ever heard of a guy called Cliff Richard? I think he did a song called “Devil Woman” once. Pretty cool, huh?”

  25. The assignment was an ad of 350 words or less.

    To those who went to the MM concert in order to share the love of Jesus Christ…Thank You! As you hand out God’s word in tracts, t-shirts, and especially by actually opening your mouths the promise is clear: “My Word…will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire”. Isaiah 55:11. The media calls your evangelistic attempts “protesting”, but God knows you are there to spread His Word. I encourage you to not lose heart at the constant criticism that you receive from the “SILENT majority” in the churches who shun evangelism, tracts, handing out Bibles, etc… and want to do good works without ever mentioning the name of JESUS, and think that somehow they are advancing the Kingdom. Ignore them. They think nothing of the hypocrisy of protesting you for sharing Christ. They swell with PRIDE at the notion that they are somehow better Christians because they do nothing but criticize Bible believing Christians for actually working while it is still Light.
    To those who attended and are not believers in Jesus Christ: The TRUTH matters. You may not think so, but it does. DEATH is a reality. Are you certain what is going to happen to you after you die? Are you concerned about whether you will go to Heaven or Hell? Those around you may act as though it is a joke. It is NOT. Everyone has been infected with a disease called SIN. Have you ever lied? Do you think lying is wrong? WHY? God says lying, stealing, blaspheming, and adultery are SINS. Not believing in GOD is the #1 SIN. Unless you are cleansed of this disease you will be quarantined from Heaven. The only cure for the disease of SIN is the blood of Jesus Christ. Pray to God right now that He will lead you to someone who knows how to share the Good News of Jesus Christ with you, and if someone claims to know and cannot defend their position from the BIBLE, find someone else.

    • You’re not getting it are you?

      I’ll say it again:

      “Whatever.”

      In recent hours, Windblown and Amy have shown they get it. You don’t. You’re spewing the same, rote stuff I heard from campus evangelists for years, and it’s no more convincing – although I’ll give you points for better grammar.

      • Matt, I admire your dogged tenacity in this.

        The responses you are dogging are ones that it’s hard for me to even past the first sentence. I immediately think to myself “oh, right, this is the empty shouting that I’ve learned to tune out years ago”

        • Thank you, Sarah O. Not meaning to belittle anybody, but you can tell who is actually thinking and who is just projectile vomiting the same crud I used to hear day after day after day from the Assortment of Usual Suspects of wandering campus evangelists I saw in college – day after day after day. Anyway, someone has to say it, and for some reason I’m in the mood for a little self-punishment, so I guess I volunteer.

    • Headless Unicorn Guy says:

      Standard Christian (TM) Tract boilerplate. Complete with BOLDFACE CAPS, though without the multiple exclamation points. The type of “Witnessing” (aka Preaching to the Converted, using all the Right Christianese) that Warms the Hearts of Church Ladies and nobody else.

      “Never trust anyone who pronounces ‘Jesus’ with two ‘e’s and/or ‘LORD’ with two ‘O’s.”
      — Don’t know where I heard that one, but that’s the accent I was hearing as I read Athanasius’ tract.

      Yes, this is snarky. I’ve gotten very cranky in my old age, have zero tolerance for stupidity, and just got off the phone from a burned-out preacher bud’s latest RL horror story about what his congregation pulled on him in all their Righteousness.

      • HUC, I’ve never met you in person, but I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that I really like you.

    • “To those who attended and are not believers in Jesus Christ”—

      Slam.

      That was the sound of the door being shut.

    • Todd Erickson says:

      The shorter version of this could be:

      To the Protestors: Way to judge the sinful, you are beautiful in your righteousness.

      To the Concert Goers: We judge you and find you wanting. Come join the true beautiful people in church.

      ^^

  26. Marilyn Manson and his music poisons minds. He promotes self mutilation and all kinds of other stuff. I don’t know what I would say to attendees. I think such a discussion should occur one on on e.

    • Loman Totempole says:

      Hmm…poisons minds, eh? Mayhap I should download some of his music. My mind could use some pollution these days…

  27. Black Angus says:

    Attention all Manson fans:
    You saw passionate Christians last night expressing their love and concern for you.
    But those Christians are not one-trick ponies, I’ll tell you.
    You’ll see those same people volunteering down at the homeless shelter today.
    And tomorrow they’ll be getting some money together for an orphanage in Africa.
    And later in the week they’re visiting some new-made friends at the AIDS hospice.
    … well I’m almost confident they will be. Christians who get that fired up over MM will surely also be fired up over things that really matter.

  28. I love what Donald Miller and some friends did at the university they attended in Washington State, considered the most hedonistic college in the USA. During the college’s week of revelry, drinking, drugs, sex, etc. this group of Christians set up a confession booth, which they used to confess the unloving, unChristlike things that Christians have done through the centuries. This opened many doors that otherwise would not have been opened for discussion and building of relationships with many people. Sounds like an amazing way to build bridges and show God’s love.

    • Bravo.

    • Amy
      That sounds so nice…”There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death.”
      Is what was done by Donal Miller the way that Jesus, Peter, James, John, and Paul shared the Gospel? Is that the method that the Bible teaches us…to criticize other Christians and to blame all the bad things that happened in hstory as the fault of Christians and not of corrupt people who took power in the church to use it? The Empire took control of the visible church and Athanasius stood against them. He stood upon the Word of God and not the feelings of men.
      If they used this as an opportunity to share the Gospel are correct false teachings about Church History good for them. But if it was just a “Hey were just like you we bash Christians too” festival, that never talked of sin, repentance, and the need for a Savior, then they accomplished nothing.

  29. “Feeling dehydrated or got the muchies from the concert? Too much beer or lettuce? Free cold water and Doritos! Ears still ringing? I’ll whisper. Just plain tired? I’ll find a cot. Need someone to listen, I have ears.”

  30. I own a few CD’s, my wife’s a fan, she’s seen him twice, and we saw him together in 2001.

    Honesty is usually the best answer. Yes, there are people who are obsessed with him. Yes, a few songs have lyrics that are repulsive. But it’s not just about kids rebelling, or an image, although that’s definitely part of it. Many people, myself included, simply believe Manson’s music is better than virtually everything on K-love. That’s it. Most people on this site will disagree, but that’s it.

    If you want to reach the Manson audience, don’t try to be a goth Christian (you’ll come off as fake) or protest like he’s leading a march to hell (you actually make him look cooler). Just be honest, and most of all, listen.

    My ad:

    “Unlike the protesters, I don’t claim to have all the answers. God has never spoken to me, and sometimes i doubt his existence. If you want to have your first honest discussion with a Christian, look me up.”

    • Headless Unicorn Guy says:

      Many people, myself included, simply believe Manson’s music is better than virtually everything on K-love. That’s it. Most people on this site will disagree, but that’s it.

      From what I’ve heard of K-love (“We’re Safe for the Whole Family”?), that’s not hard.

      If you want to reach the Manson audience, don’t try to be a goth Christian (you’ll come off as fake)…

      Unless you actually ARE both Goth and Christian. Otherwise, you’ll find an in-group is VERY good at spotting phonies. Especially when Evangelicals are painfully out to sea when outside the four walls of their church or a Culture War march.

      (I saw this pattern when Campus Crusade tried to infiltrate “Sheep in Wolves’ Clothing” into my D&D club in the Seventies. It’s like that early “Doonesbury” strip where a DEA agent is trying to infiltrate a head shop and is dressed in clearly-imitation head wear and using “hipster” slang that’s ten years out of date. “What’s it like being a druggie in this town?” “Not bad. What’s it like being a DEA agent?”)

    • Charley’s ad

      “God has never spoken to me….if you want a … discusssion with a Christian, look me up.”

      Wow. God has spoken to me and most Christians I know….from His Word…The Bible. His Word is living and active. I understand from all of the response posts to my ad that God’s Word is passe to those in the emerging church. As the author of “The Shack” snarks, “God’s voice has been reduced to paper”. The Bible is no longer good enough. Yeah Mohammed, Joe Smith, and money others think so too. There seems to be a lot of anger and “snarky” comments against Christians who actively share the Gospel. While I would never use a bullhorn on a street corner, when I do see a Christian doing this I pray for Him. I thank God for him. Is it the most effective way to reach people. No, I don’t think so. But will he reach some? Yes he will. It may not reach the emerging arts & croissant crowd, but it will reach some. God promises to honor even the smallest attempt to share His Gospel.

      The assignment was an ad…to be written to the people who attended the concert and saw the protestors. An ad that was to be read. When I actually go out into the community and share the Gospel clearly my approach is different. Conversation is different than writing. I have been trained in Evangelism Explosion and Way of the Master. I always begin by asking questions, and if I do ask a spiritually sensitive question I ask permission to even ask the question. I ask permission to share the Gospel. I don’t know if the Christians at the Manson concert were using bullhorns or asking questions. The article did not say. But God will honor them.

      As an evangelist my job is to toss seed. If the seed hits on stoney ground then I have done what God has asked. If the seed falls into the thorns and thickets, I have done my job. If the seed sprouts for a short time and then allows the cares and worries of this world to prevent growth, I have done my job. If the seed falls on good soil and takes hold and establishes strong roots, Praise God for allowing me to throw seed that He brought to bear fruit.

  31. Morgan said “The protesters should be picketing TBN”. I agree.

    I am far angrier with people leading the church into error than I am with unbelievers listening to non-Christian music.

  32. …place an ad on a website that will be read by everyone who attended the Manson concert and saw the protesters. What would your ad say?

    Not knowing any one of the protesters personally, I would place an ad that had to do with whatever business or personal endeavor I was involved with. I would say it in a way that would gain the most interest possible in my product/endeavor from Manson fans with some point of interest tied to what the protest was about, then get to know any/some of the protesters personally after their response. The rest would be just living out life in spirit and truth, being able to serve them in a way that promoted good.

  33. Waltizing Matilda says:

    If parents didn’t get so upset by their kids listening to Marilyn Manson he would be a non-issue. Years ago, Alice Cooper admitted that part of their goal was to get parents to hate them because then the kids would love them.

    When I was a kid if you really wanted to upset your parents, you went out and bought yourself an AC/DC album. Remember all the crap about AntiChrist/DevilChild? So, who did we all LOVE? AC/DC!

    The problem is that to shock and horrify parents who grew up on Alice Cooper, AC/DC, and Ozzy – you have to go further and be even more shocking than they were – hence Marilyn Manson who is nothing more than an extremely bad caricture of Alice Cooper.

  34. I would try not to say anything to a “Marilyn Manson” type.
    I would buy him a beer, sit on a bar stool, and listen.
    I’m sure he would have a lot he would want to get off his chest.
    People don’t listen until they have been heard and affirmed.

  35. Headless Unicorn Guy, I like your style.

    To the people protesting the concert, “Jesus didn’t tell you to sell salvation like a vacuum. He told you to make disciples. Are you really doing that by your actions? Are you inviting these aching, hurting, wounded people to follow me as I called you to truly follow me, too? Jesus gave us the Gospels that we would know Him. God gave us the rest of the New Testament to teach the church – not to condemn those who don’t know him. He told the woman caught in adultery – neither do I condemn you also. You are a poor example of following the 2nd commandment (much like the first). These concertgoers ARE your neighbors. How are you showing them love and acceptance as image-bearers of our Father?”

    To the attendees, “Forgive us for making you feel like ‘less’. Whether you attended the concert or not is NOT the point. The point is that we want to get to know you better. To understand what it is you wrestle with. To walk beside you through the darkness. To make a new friend.”

  36. “Enjoy the concert”

  37. Have fun, be safe.

  38. “Look at me, suburban dung,” Manson told Wesley. “Does this shock you?”

  39. Just stand outside with a “Free Hugs” sign. heh.