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	<title>Comments on: Open Mic at the iMonk Cafe: Miracle Testimonies</title>
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	<description>...dispatches from the post-evangelical wilderness</description>
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		<title>By: penguinflying</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/open-mic-at-the-imonk-cafe-miracle-testimonies/comment-page-2#comment-516963</link>
		<dc:creator>penguinflying</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awfully late to the thread, but this is the Scripture that I always think of in this context:

&quot;An evil and adulterous generation asks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.  For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the sea monster, so for three days and three nights the Son of Man will be in the heart of the earth.&quot;  (Matthew 12:39, 40)

&quot;For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, God decided, through the foolishness of our proclamation, to save those who believe.  For Jews demand signs and Greeks desire wisdom, but we proclaim Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.  For God&#039;s foolishness is wiser than human wisdom, and God&#039;s weakness is stronger than human strength.&quot; (1 Cor. 1:21-25)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awfully late to the thread, but this is the Scripture that I always think of in this context:</p>
<p>&#8220;An evil and adulterous generation asks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.  For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the sea monster, so for three days and three nights the Son of Man will be in the heart of the earth.&#8221;  (Matthew 12:39, 40)</p>
<p>&#8220;For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, God decided, through the foolishness of our proclamation, to save those who believe.  For Jews demand signs and Greeks desire wisdom, but we proclaim Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.  For God&#8217;s foolishness is wiser than human wisdom, and God&#8217;s weakness is stronger than human strength.&#8221; (1 Cor. 1:21-25)</p>
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		<title>By: Windblown</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/open-mic-at-the-imonk-cafe-miracle-testimonies/comment-page-2#comment-516327</link>
		<dc:creator>Windblown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim: â€œObservation of exaggerated claims by evangelicals suggests not a paucity of miracles â€

How can it not? 

You Modern materialist pre-suppositions are showing.

Tim: When all the stories of miracles that iâ€™ve heard turn out to be false then how can it not suggest a paucity of miracles?

All? You have proven them all false? Every one? Or some are false and you assume the rest are.

Even if that is so what is the conclusion you can draw? Only that you personally have not encountered a miracle.
Or all swans white?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim: â€œObservation of exaggerated claims by evangelicals suggests not a paucity of miracles â€</p>
<p>How can it not? </p>
<p>You Modern materialist pre-suppositions are showing.</p>
<p>Tim: When all the stories of miracles that iâ€™ve heard turn out to be false then how can it not suggest a paucity of miracles?</p>
<p>All? You have proven them all false? Every one? Or some are false and you assume the rest are.</p>
<p>Even if that is so what is the conclusion you can draw? Only that you personally have not encountered a miracle.<br />
Or all swans white?</p>
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		<title>By: Windblown</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/open-mic-at-the-imonk-cafe-miracle-testimonies/comment-page-2#comment-516296</link>
		<dc:creator>Windblown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Something that requires â€œthat God must in some way violate or create an exception to the natural orderâ€ is the exact definition that the Scriptures use to qualify something as a miracle.&quot;

Where?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Something that requires â€œthat God must in some way violate or create an exception to the natural orderâ€ is the exact definition that the Scriptures use to qualify something as a miracle.&#8221;</p>
<p>Where?</p>
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		<title>By: Windblown</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/open-mic-at-the-imonk-cafe-miracle-testimonies/comment-page-2#comment-516295</link>
		<dc:creator>Windblown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it not a miracle that your mother loves you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it not a miracle that your mother loves you?</p>
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		<title>By: arpritchett</title>
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		<dc:creator>arpritchett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 03:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a bit of a skeptic on miracle stories that become the foundation of an entire ministry.  That&#039;s mainly because I feel like people are made to think that because one person was miraculously delivered, they too will be miraculously delivered.  

I believe God performs miracles today.  I am close friends with a married couple experiencing a medical miracle right now, and it is the cause of much praise to God.  We need to remember that miracles point us toward God, not toward self-exaltation or worshiping the miracle itself.  I think that&#039;s what&#039;s gotten lost in a lot of the miracle talk today.

I think we trust that miracles will bring everyone to faith in Jesus, and that simply isn&#039;t true.  The miracles Jesus performs in the Gospels encourage faith in many, but despite seeing them, the Pharisees and scribes refuse to believe.  Miracles are not our ace-in-the-hole, and I&#039;m not a fan of publicizing them.  I&#039;m sure someone will not appreciate me saying that, but there have been too many miracle stories that just aren&#039;t verifiable and are publicly touted, and those stories wind up pushing people away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a bit of a skeptic on miracle stories that become the foundation of an entire ministry.  That&#8217;s mainly because I feel like people are made to think that because one person was miraculously delivered, they too will be miraculously delivered.  </p>
<p>I believe God performs miracles today.  I am close friends with a married couple experiencing a medical miracle right now, and it is the cause of much praise to God.  We need to remember that miracles point us toward God, not toward self-exaltation or worshiping the miracle itself.  I think that&#8217;s what&#8217;s gotten lost in a lot of the miracle talk today.</p>
<p>I think we trust that miracles will bring everyone to faith in Jesus, and that simply isn&#8217;t true.  The miracles Jesus performs in the Gospels encourage faith in many, but despite seeing them, the Pharisees and scribes refuse to believe.  Miracles are not our ace-in-the-hole, and I&#8217;m not a fan of publicizing them.  I&#8217;m sure someone will not appreciate me saying that, but there have been too many miracle stories that just aren&#8217;t verifiable and are publicly touted, and those stories wind up pushing people away.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenny Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenny Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to agree. Credibility changes a lot for me as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to agree. Credibility changes a lot for me as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure that the early church really moved in power. I rather think that God worked powerfully in and through the church&#039;s weakness.

Re-read the original post, I don&#039;t understand that iMonk is doubting God&#039;s ability to do miracles, he is doubting that he does as many as some claim, and especially calling into question the role and meaning that are attributed to miracles. The difference may seem subtle, but it is a big diffference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that the early church really moved in power. I rather think that God worked powerfully in and through the church&#8217;s weakness.</p>
<p>Re-read the original post, I don&#8217;t understand that iMonk is doubting God&#8217;s ability to do miracles, he is doubting that he does as many as some claim, and especially calling into question the role and meaning that are attributed to miracles. The difference may seem subtle, but it is a big diffference.</p>
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		<title>By: Valerie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valerie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 00:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems there is so much skepticism here.  I believe Jesus is the same yesterday as today.  I believe the Jesus of the New Testament , specifically the book of Acts, is the same Jesus we serve now.  I want to see the church moving in power as it did in the early church.. Why not?   Give me a good reason we shouldn&#039;t be walking in the same power???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems there is so much skepticism here.  I believe Jesus is the same yesterday as today.  I believe the Jesus of the New Testament , specifically the book of Acts, is the same Jesus we serve now.  I want to see the church moving in power as it did in the early church.. Why not?   Give me a good reason we shouldn&#8217;t be walking in the same power???</p>
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		<title>By: Robert D. Spencer III</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert D. Spencer III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 03:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate the clarification; after doing a little digging I concur that it is God&#039;s exceptional supernatural intervention that makes the difference in defining a miracle.

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the clarification; after doing a little digging I concur that it is God&#8217;s exceptional supernatural intervention that makes the difference in defining a miracle.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: George C</title>
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		<dc:creator>George C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;make sure you are being scrupulously honest in every detail.&quot;

Great advice in every situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;make sure you are being scrupulously honest in every detail.&#8221;</p>
<p>Great advice in every situation.</p>
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