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	<title>Comments on: Open Mic at the iMonk Cafe: How Theology Changed Relationships</title>
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	<description>...dispatches from the post-evangelical wilderness</description>
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		<title>By: Headless Unicorn Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/open-mic-at-the-imonk-cafe-how-theology-changed-relationships/comment-page-2#comment-507631</link>
		<dc:creator>Headless Unicorn Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Also I did not know Fatima tried to trump Scripture.&lt;/i&gt;

It shouldn&#039;t; private revelations do not supersede General Revelation, and (if authenticated) are binding only on those receiving the private revelation.  That is the official policy.

However, there are a LOT of &quot;The REAL Third Secret of Fatima&quot; fanboys out there.  It&#039;s one of the Catholic versions of Christian Conspiracy Theories, and shows lots of the dynamics of Conspiracy Theory obsession in general.  Which is in itself the essence of Gnosticism -- &quot;The Secret Knowledge I And Only I Possess.&quot;

Evangelicals flake out with End Time Prophecy, Catholics flake out with &quot;Mary Channeling&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Also I did not know Fatima tried to trump Scripture.</i></p>
<p>It shouldn&#8217;t; private revelations do not supersede General Revelation, and (if authenticated) are binding only on those receiving the private revelation.  That is the official policy.</p>
<p>However, there are a LOT of &#8220;The REAL Third Secret of Fatima&#8221; fanboys out there.  It&#8217;s one of the Catholic versions of Christian Conspiracy Theories, and shows lots of the dynamics of Conspiracy Theory obsession in general.  Which is in itself the essence of Gnosticism &#8212; &#8220;The Secret Knowledge I And Only I Possess.&#8221;</p>
<p>Evangelicals flake out with End Time Prophecy, Catholics flake out with &#8220;Mary Channeling&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Brigitte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brigitte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 22:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am merely suggesting that for unity&#039;s sake we want to dig more deeply theologically, not less deeply.
Pax Domini to all, no problem. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am merely suggesting that for unity&#8217;s sake we want to dig more deeply theologically, not less deeply.<br />
Pax Domini to all, no problem. <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Anna A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 09:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brigitte,

    The main reason that Roman Catholicism plays such a large role in these stories is that the gap between the Evangelicals and the Catholics is one of the largest in America.  If there were more Orthodox, there probably would just as many stories about them.  

I do miss the friendships that I might have found as a Baptist, but I treasure the inner peace that I found there.  There are many things that I regret about the divide.  But, I will not reject the path that God has placed my feet upon.

Peace and God&#039;s blessing upon you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brigitte,</p>
<p>    The main reason that Roman Catholicism plays such a large role in these stories is that the gap between the Evangelicals and the Catholics is one of the largest in America.  If there were more Orthodox, there probably would just as many stories about them.  </p>
<p>I do miss the friendships that I might have found as a Baptist, but I treasure the inner peace that I found there.  There are many things that I regret about the divide.  But, I will not reject the path that God has placed my feet upon.</p>
<p>Peace and God&#8217;s blessing upon you.</p>
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		<title>By: luke</title>
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		<dc:creator>luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 03:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No ... not yet?

I think a large part of that is because they know that my wife and I&#039;s relationships to our Protestant community is such a big part of her faith. She isn&#039;t theologically opposed to the Catholic Church, but she never had any real faith until we started going to this certain Protestant church.

But acting in a leadership role there is one of the few subjects where I feel a tinge in my faith. I must remember to bring it up at Confession.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No &#8230; not yet?</p>
<p>I think a large part of that is because they know that my wife and I&#8217;s relationships to our Protestant community is such a big part of her faith. She isn&#8217;t theologically opposed to the Catholic Church, but she never had any real faith until we started going to this certain Protestant church.</p>
<p>But acting in a leadership role there is one of the few subjects where I feel a tinge in my faith. I must remember to bring it up at Confession.</p>
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		<title>By: Pilar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pilar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 02:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Precisely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Precisely.</p>
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		<title>By: hewhocutsdown</title>
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		<dc:creator>hewhocutsdown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 00:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re thoughts are appreciated, but may be valued more on another thread. Let&#039;s keep this a safe environment for opening up. It&#039;s too easy to use these confessions as tinder for a flame war - and while I don&#039;t think you intend to start one, it escalates all too easily. Peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re thoughts are appreciated, but may be valued more on another thread. Let&#8217;s keep this a safe environment for opening up. It&#8217;s too easy to use these confessions as tinder for a flame war &#8211; and while I don&#8217;t think you intend to start one, it escalates all too easily. Peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Brigitte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brigitte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From reading the stories, it seems to me that the larger portion is from people who have joined or rejoined Roman Catholicism.  While there is so much to appreciate in the church (I&#039;ve attended Catholic school myself for six years), those of us outside of it just cannot deal with the extra-biblical things, not on our life. 

We will NOT be able to find unity without being diligent about Bible study and theology.  We can&#039;t get around it. &quot; Theology &quot; is NOT a dirty word.  &quot;Theologian&quot; is NOT a dirty word.  I think i-monk is making a real contribution.  Let&#039;s have decent discussion, as we are.  It is good.

And I just wanted to mention the Book of Concord, the Lutheran confessions again.  Are there people who really don&#039;t think it&#039;s  a great collection of documents (Bible based documents) ? Read the new &quot;reader&#039;s edition&quot; from Concordia Publishing House.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From reading the stories, it seems to me that the larger portion is from people who have joined or rejoined Roman Catholicism.  While there is so much to appreciate in the church (I&#8217;ve attended Catholic school myself for six years), those of us outside of it just cannot deal with the extra-biblical things, not on our life. </p>
<p>We will NOT be able to find unity without being diligent about Bible study and theology.  We can&#8217;t get around it. &#8221; Theology &#8221; is NOT a dirty word.  &#8220;Theologian&#8221; is NOT a dirty word.  I think i-monk is making a real contribution.  Let&#8217;s have decent discussion, as we are.  It is good.</p>
<p>And I just wanted to mention the Book of Concord, the Lutheran confessions again.  Are there people who really don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s  a great collection of documents (Bible based documents) ? Read the new &#8220;reader&#8217;s edition&#8221; from Concordia Publishing House.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the things Christians like to use to disparage other religions such as Islam is to poitn out how people will get disowned and rejected if they leave Islam, whereas only Christians lvoe unconditionally. 

Lots of people here have commented that they have been disowned and rejected for leaving a certain theology, so it appears we as Christians don&#039;t have room to put down other religions since we do the same thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the things Christians like to use to disparage other religions such as Islam is to poitn out how people will get disowned and rejected if they leave Islam, whereas only Christians lvoe unconditionally. </p>
<p>Lots of people here have commented that they have been disowned and rejected for leaving a certain theology, so it appears we as Christians don&#8217;t have room to put down other religions since we do the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 06:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;...It’s very interesting to read the comments on a thread that is monitoring (my nice word) this comment thread.&lt;/i&gt;

Blog eisegesis?  I want to say it makes me wonder what thread they&#039;re reading, but I&#039;m used to it by now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230;It’s very interesting to read the comments on a thread that is monitoring (my nice word) this comment thread.</i></p>
<p>Blog eisegesis?  I want to say it makes me wonder what thread they&#8217;re reading, but I&#8217;m used to it by now.</p>
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		<title>By: Charley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My grandmother was Catholic and my grandfather was Protestant.  My grandfather forbid my grandmother from practicing her Catholicism.  The theological dispute was so intense that my father decided at a young age to forgo organized religion and has never been baptized. 

My wife&#039;s family is Mormon.  When we got married I was a fairly new Christian contemplating Catholicism and my wife was unsure what she believed.  Given this diversity of opinion, finding a church to marry us was impossible.  We ended up getting hitched by a justice of the peace.

Now I&#039;m a protestant with a Catholic leaning spirituality (I still listen to EWTN podcasts).  My wife is still unsure, but often falls back on Mormon theology.  This isn&#039;t the forum to go into the Christian/Mormon divide, so I&#039;ll just say things are difficult.  I really want to practice my Christianity with my wife, attend Church with my wife, and have a Christian marriage with my wife, but theologically that&#039;s impossible.  I have delayed joining a church in the hope we could find one together.  Now I&#039;m looking for one by myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My grandmother was Catholic and my grandfather was Protestant.  My grandfather forbid my grandmother from practicing her Catholicism.  The theological dispute was so intense that my father decided at a young age to forgo organized religion and has never been baptized. </p>
<p>My wife&#8217;s family is Mormon.  When we got married I was a fairly new Christian contemplating Catholicism and my wife was unsure what she believed.  Given this diversity of opinion, finding a church to marry us was impossible.  We ended up getting hitched by a justice of the peace.</p>
<p>Now I&#8217;m a protestant with a Catholic leaning spirituality (I still listen to EWTN podcasts).  My wife is still unsure, but often falls back on Mormon theology.  This isn&#8217;t the forum to go into the Christian/Mormon divide, so I&#8217;ll just say things are difficult.  I really want to practice my Christianity with my wife, attend Church with my wife, and have a Christian marriage with my wife, but theologically that&#8217;s impossible.  I have delayed joining a church in the hope we could find one together.  Now I&#8217;m looking for one by myself.</p>
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