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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Now Mr. Spencer, How Would You Like Your Crow?&#8221;</title>
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	<description>...dispatches from the post-evangelical wilderness</description>
	<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 06:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Eugene Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eugene Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 01:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,

What I have found interesting about critics is that generally they have done very little to advance the cause of Christ.  Like my one of hereos D.L. Moody said once when a woman critized him for giving children candy to come to church.. He, then asked her what was her method for bringing children to her church.  She said she had none.  To which he replied "Well, I believe that I like my method better'.  Expresses how I feel about Rick and many of the people that the critics love to hate.   There methodology might not be perfect but it is many times better than the one used by their critics.  Which, generally is little or nothing at all.  '
Much like the pharisees, they travel land and sea to make one convert, twice the son of hell.   

Most critics and suppossed theological 9"Barney Fifes" I love the phrase"  is that it is far easier to tear something down than to build something up. There is no sacrifce, no money spent, no blood spilled, no pavement wore out with pounding the streets knocking on doors. It cost me nothing to blog on my computer and spill out bile and bitterness towards others who are more influenctial and generally effective than they could ever dream of being.    

I have planted two churches, been on staff of a mega church and realized that men and women such as Joel Osteen, Rick Warren, Bill Hybles even to Benny Hinn.  These guys that are at the forefront very seldom ever intended on landing were they are at.  Providence, luck or maybe even God allowed them to have a platform that would touch the hearts of millions of peeople in a positive way for the kingdom of God.  

The older I get the more pragmatic I am in some the area's that I felt were so crucial as a young, know it all, arguementive minister.  I confess that many times pop evangelical theology leaves much to be desired in it s depth and scope of searching out the deeper things of God, but some how it is still the primary method that God uses to influence and bring most into the kingdom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>What I have found interesting about critics is that generally they have done very little to advance the cause of Christ.  Like my one of hereos D.L. Moody said once when a woman critized him for giving children candy to come to church.. He, then asked her what was her method for bringing children to her church.  She said she had none.  To which he replied &#8220;Well, I believe that I like my method better&#8217;.  Expresses how I feel about Rick and many of the people that the critics love to hate.   There methodology might not be perfect but it is many times better than the one used by their critics.  Which, generally is little or nothing at all.  &#8216;<br />
Much like the pharisees, they travel land and sea to make one convert, twice the son of hell.   </p>
<p>Most critics and suppossed theological 9&#8243;Barney Fifes&#8221; I love the phrase&#8221;  is that it is far easier to tear something down than to build something up. There is no sacrifce, no money spent, no blood spilled, no pavement wore out with pounding the streets knocking on doors. It cost me nothing to blog on my computer and spill out bile and bitterness towards others who are more influenctial and generally effective than they could ever dream of being.    </p>
<p>I have planted two churches, been on staff of a mega church and realized that men and women such as Joel Osteen, Rick Warren, Bill Hybles even to Benny Hinn.  These guys that are at the forefront very seldom ever intended on landing were they are at.  Providence, luck or maybe even God allowed them to have a platform that would touch the hearts of millions of peeople in a positive way for the kingdom of God.  </p>
<p>The older I get the more pragmatic I am in some the area&#8217;s that I felt were so crucial as a young, know it all, arguementive minister.  I confess that many times pop evangelical theology leaves much to be desired in it s depth and scope of searching out the deeper things of God, but some how it is still the primary method that God uses to influence and bring most into the kingdom.</p>
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		<title>By: John K Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>John K Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, I've enjoyed your article on Rick Warren, and your attitude. It was refreshing. I have enjoyed taking our church through PDL. I don't understand Rick's use of certain version/texts either, but I have enough sense to work through it and make it make biblical sense for our people to be able to profit from it as Rick had hoped we would do. And, we have. And, by the way, I have have yet to find a published theologian that I totally agree with, but I have learned much from many. Ya just gotta work through the "stuff", and get to the meat.

Thanks, again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, I&#8217;ve enjoyed your article on Rick Warren, and your attitude. It was refreshing. I have enjoyed taking our church through PDL. I don&#8217;t understand Rick&#8217;s use of certain version/texts either, but I have enough sense to work through it and make it make biblical sense for our people to be able to profit from it as Rick had hoped we would do. And, we have. And, by the way, I have have yet to find a published theologian that I totally agree with, but I have learned much from many. Ya just gotta work through the &#8220;stuff&#8221;, and get to the meat.</p>
<p>Thanks, again.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 14:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let's look at reality. I don't know much about Warren but from reading the posts here, it seems that Warren  errs in doctrine. How can support be given to any furtherance of church planting that is erroneous? This just adds to the spread of why luke-warm Christianity seems to be a melting pot in society today instead of Christians standing for what is right. False doctrine is wrong. I understand that there are good works being done but Satan uses truth and mixes a little poison. A little leaven leavens the whole lump. Regurgitate that crow and take a stand. If this man is causing so much division, the Bible says to mark them. Again I don't know this man (Warren) and I will not attack his person but It seems clear that most agree that his doctrine is unstable---So why cover for that for good works sake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s look at reality. I don&#8217;t know much about Warren but from reading the posts here, it seems that Warren  errs in doctrine. How can support be given to any furtherance of church planting that is erroneous? This just adds to the spread of why luke-warm Christianity seems to be a melting pot in society today instead of Christians standing for what is right. False doctrine is wrong. I understand that there are good works being done but Satan uses truth and mixes a little poison. A little leaven leavens the whole lump. Regurgitate that crow and take a stand. If this man is causing so much division, the Bible says to mark them. Again I don&#8217;t know this man (Warren) and I will not attack his person but It seems clear that most agree that his doctrine is unstable&#8212;So why cover for that for good works sake.</p>
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		<title>By: truevyne</title>
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		<dc:creator>truevyne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr. Spencer,
  Your post led me to a thinking place regarding my own critical heart.  While I've never harbored particular scorn for Mr. Warren, I have for the seeker friendly church, which includes the church God has called me to work.  I need to focus on places of agreement with the body of Christ and quit rolling my eyes at what I see as wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. Spencer,<br />
  Your post led me to a thinking place regarding my own critical heart.  While I&#8217;ve never harbored particular scorn for Mr. Warren, I have for the seeker friendly church, which includes the church God has called me to work.  I need to focus on places of agreement with the body of Christ and quit rolling my eyes at what I see as wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: David Teh</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Teh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 04:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Michael,

It's always good that you are able to see the full picture.

However, the balance seems to be lacking in the overall article. You seem to suggest that everything you find 'good' in Warren makes his 2 books acceptable?

Maybe it's just a lack of balance, I don't know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Michael,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s always good that you are able to see the full picture.</p>
<p>However, the balance seems to be lacking in the overall article. You seem to suggest that everything you find &#8216;good&#8217; in Warren makes his 2 books acceptable?</p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s just a lack of balance, I don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren at Faith Fuel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren at Faith Fuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 19:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Warren is honest. He’s not comfortable as a media star. He doesn’t play the “generic spiritual leader” role very well. "

Do you think we credit others more equitably when they bumble around a tiny bit in their humanity? It seems to be such a fine line between acting in confidence and conviction, and acting cocky and too mediagenic for your own good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Warren is honest. He’s not comfortable as a media star. He doesn’t play the “generic spiritual leader” role very well. &#8221;</p>
<p>Do you think we credit others more equitably when they bumble around a tiny bit in their humanity? It seems to be such a fine line between acting in confidence and conviction, and acting cocky and too mediagenic for your own good.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael:

This is not about Warren, but about Hybels. An interesting perspective and links made from a Catholic blogger.

(Don't approve this for posting if you don't want..it's just easier than doing an email! Because I'm lazy.)

http://blog-by-the-sea.typepad.com/blog_bythesea/2007/11/tozer-proven-ri.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael:</p>
<p>This is not about Warren, but about Hybels. An interesting perspective and links made from a Catholic blogger.</p>
<p>(Don&#8217;t approve this for posting if you don&#8217;t want..it&#8217;s just easier than doing an email! Because I&#8217;m lazy.)</p>
<p><a href="http://blog-by-the-sea.typepad.com/blog_bythesea/2007/11/tozer-proven-ri.html" rel="nofollow">http://blog-by-the-sea.typepad.com/blog_bythesea/2007/11/tozer-proven-ri.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael Spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 11:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm afraid Douglas is quite serious. He- or several clones of his rhetoric- has been stalking me for several years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid Douglas is quite serious. He- or several clones of his rhetoric- has been stalking me for several years.</p>
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		<title>By: John D</title>
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		<dc:creator>John D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 04:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, 

I never realized how blog comments make such an appropriate venue for pointing out the exceedingly sinfulness of a blogger. I guess I never looked at blogs that way before. Silly me.  I almost thought Douglas was serious but he must be joking, making satire or so to point out that he and all of us are sinful... maybe I am getting the sarcasm?

Anyways, the reason I came back to comment is that I'm wondering if anyone can give me any specific things in Rick Warren's book, 'The Purpose Driven Life' that are wrong, and why.  I've heard a lot of general criticism, but I've never come across any specific criticism regarding actual content of the book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, </p>
<p>I never realized how blog comments make such an appropriate venue for pointing out the exceedingly sinfulness of a blogger. I guess I never looked at blogs that way before. Silly me.  I almost thought Douglas was serious but he must be joking, making satire or so to point out that he and all of us are sinful&#8230; maybe I am getting the sarcasm?</p>
<p>Anyways, the reason I came back to comment is that I&#8217;m wondering if anyone can give me any specific things in Rick Warren&#8217;s book, &#8216;The Purpose Driven Life&#8217; that are wrong, and why.  I&#8217;ve heard a lot of general criticism, but I&#8217;ve never come across any specific criticism regarding actual content of the book.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 03:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&gt;Are you going to roast me for daring to criticize Rick Warren? Make me look like an idiot?&lt;/em&gt;

No need to cover that ground twice. I think you've done just fine without my help.

Why are you reading this site? You're obviously a TR who loathes me, so what's the point? I'm not a Christian and I'm a false teacher. You people have been saying that for years now. Isn't life a bit short to waste it on repeated announcements?

Thanks for the contribution. Don't expect me to publish any more of them. Take it to your own blog.

&gt;&lt;em&gt;Sir, your pride and arrogance seems to know no bounds.&lt;/em&gt;

The irony speaks for itself, Douglas.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>>Are you going to roast me for daring to criticize Rick Warren? Make me look like an idiot?</em></p>
<p>No need to cover that ground twice. I think you&#8217;ve done just fine without my help.</p>
<p>Why are you reading this site? You&#8217;re obviously a TR who loathes me, so what&#8217;s the point? I&#8217;m not a Christian and I&#8217;m a false teacher. You people have been saying that for years now. Isn&#8217;t life a bit short to waste it on repeated announcements?</p>
<p>Thanks for the contribution. Don&#8217;t expect me to publish any more of them. Take it to your own blog.</p>
<p>><em>Sir, your pride and arrogance seems to know no bounds.</em></p>
<p>The irony speaks for itself, Douglas.</p>
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