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	<title>Comments on: Sabbatical Update: Beyond Cornerstone (Updated 7/6)</title>
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	<description>...dispatches from the post-evangelical wilderness</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dumb ox</title>
		<link>http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/not-exactly-sabbatical-journal-update-at-cornerstone#comment-257082</link>
		<dc:creator>dumb ox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 04:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chad:

Thanks for the reply.  It was really was very insightful.  I would like to clarify that my interest has nothing to do with perpetuating any particular liturgical tradition.  I can relate to the search of something timeless, rather than trendy.  

I am concerned that some recent interest in liturgy is just another trend.  When the Christian bookstore moguls finish milking their profits out of it; they'll try to move Christians on to some other trend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chad:</p>
<p>Thanks for the reply.  It was really was very insightful.  I would like to clarify that my interest has nothing to do with perpetuating any particular liturgical tradition.  I can relate to the search of something timeless, rather than trendy.  </p>
<p>I am concerned that some recent interest in liturgy is just another trend.  When the Christian bookstore moguls finish milking their profits out of it; they&#8217;ll try to move Christians on to some other trend.</p>
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		<title>By: chad</title>
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		<dc:creator>chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 17:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ox-

I wanted to jump in because of your last question, dealing wild cornerstone fans and liturgy.

I guess you could consider me one of them, although I am a bit older than some (28).

I know that I really don't want to listen/sing with music that I will be ingesting constantly when I am at worship, meaning that when I am in church  want to be in church.  I have heard stories of churches in and around Atlanta that have metal worship.  I was a college minister for a few years and I remember this conversation coming up often.

When a younger person places himself/herself in the liturgy, they are stepping away from whatever time period that they are in presently, because God is timeless.  Many of those kids in the painted-on tight black jeans were the 7 year olds running around in Carman shirts back in the mid-90's at cornerstone.  They have seen "worship" music ebb and flow their entire life, and the desire to be connected with something that is longer lasting is appealing.

hope that helped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ox-</p>
<p>I wanted to jump in because of your last question, dealing wild cornerstone fans and liturgy.</p>
<p>I guess you could consider me one of them, although I am a bit older than some (28).</p>
<p>I know that I really don&#8217;t want to listen/sing with music that I will be ingesting constantly when I am at worship, meaning that when I am in church  want to be in church.  I have heard stories of churches in and around Atlanta that have metal worship.  I was a college minister for a few years and I remember this conversation coming up often.</p>
<p>When a younger person places himself/herself in the liturgy, they are stepping away from whatever time period that they are in presently, because God is timeless.  Many of those kids in the painted-on tight black jeans were the 7 year olds running around in Carman shirts back in the mid-90&#8217;s at cornerstone.  They have seen &#8220;worship&#8221; music ebb and flow their entire life, and the desire to be connected with something that is longer lasting is appealing.</p>
<p>hope that helped.</p>
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		<title>By: dumb ox</title>
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		<dc:creator>dumb ox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 17:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(sigh) I guess I'm showing my age.  Rez Band used to be "hard core" rock, and Amy Grant was quintessential CCM.  I only saw Rez in concert once about 25 years ago.  At that time, I was shocked to when the teens were mobbing the stage and getting into the music, rather than listening to the message.  A few years later, I knew someone who broke his arm stage diving at Cornerstone.  Can't imagine what it's like now.  

It would be interesting to hear how you expperienced this younger generation communicating and responding to truth while at the festival.  

In a Jesus-shaped article, you mentioned how youth should not be segregated from the functions of the church, which I agree.  Can you imagine the people you met at cornerstone being integrated that way, without throwing out the structures enshrined in most churches?

(Is this the same generation of youth who are supposedly becoming more interested in liturgy? If that is true, I definitely would like to hear about that!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(sigh) I guess I&#8217;m showing my age.  Rez Band used to be &#8220;hard core&#8221; rock, and Amy Grant was quintessential CCM.  I only saw Rez in concert once about 25 years ago.  At that time, I was shocked to when the teens were mobbing the stage and getting into the music, rather than listening to the message.  A few years later, I knew someone who broke his arm stage diving at Cornerstone.  Can&#8217;t imagine what it&#8217;s like now.  </p>
<p>It would be interesting to hear how you expperienced this younger generation communicating and responding to truth while at the festival.  </p>
<p>In a Jesus-shaped article, you mentioned how youth should not be segregated from the functions of the church, which I agree.  Can you imagine the people you met at cornerstone being integrated that way, without throwing out the structures enshrined in most churches?</p>
<p>(Is this the same generation of youth who are supposedly becoming more interested in liturgy? If that is true, I definitely would like to hear about that!)</p>
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		<title>By: Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could print out all your essays from internetmonk.com, staple them together and sign that.  Is there a Kinko's anywhere near there?

Hey, check this out:  http://themasterstable.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/do-you-know-my-king/  This video is an old favorite of ours.  I posted it this morning; I usually watch it twice.  

Happy 4th!  Remember Mike, fireworks are dangerous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could print out all your essays from internetmonk.com, staple them together and sign that.  Is there a Kinko&#8217;s anywhere near there?</p>
<p>Hey, check this out:  <a href="http://themasterstable.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/do-you-know-my-king/" rel="nofollow">http://themasterstable.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/do-you-know-my-king/</a>  This video is an old favorite of ours.  I posted it this morning; I usually watch it twice.  </p>
<p>Happy 4th!  Remember Mike, fireworks are dangerous.</p>
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		<title>By: dumb ox</title>
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		<dc:creator>dumb ox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 14:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you going to see Rez Band tonight at the Gallery stage?</description>
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		<title>By: lonelypilgrim</title>
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		<dc:creator>lonelypilgrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 03:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big theological question here:

How could Jesus love something that ended your baseball viewing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big theological question here:</p>
<p>How could Jesus love something that ended your baseball viewing?</p>
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		<title>By: Faith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Faith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 02:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yet</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yet</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Palmieri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Palmieri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 01:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey my friend I am still praying, and .... HAVE FUN!!!
.....gas money?????? In His sufficient grace, Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey my friend I am still praying, and &#8230;. HAVE FUN!!!<br />
&#8230;..gas money?????? In His sufficient grace, Mark</p>
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