Comments on: My Prediction: The Coming Evangelical Collapse (1) http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/my-prediction-the-coming-evangelical-collapse-1 ...dispatches from the post-evangelical wilderness Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:47:17 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: one man standing (never alone) » Blog Archive » The Coming Evangelical Collapse http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/my-prediction-the-coming-evangelical-collapse-1/comment-page-5#comment-498381 one man standing (never alone) » Blog Archive » The Coming Evangelical Collapse Sun, 12 Jul 2009 13:17:23 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=2764#comment-498381 [...] Read the three part essay on the internetmonk.com [...] [...] Read the three part essay on the internetmonk.com [...]

]]> By: dominic Omwando http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/my-prediction-the-coming-evangelical-collapse-1/comment-page-5#comment-490687 dominic Omwando Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:01:10 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=2764#comment-490687 I just want to to partner with you so that I can learn the truth about Jesus's second coming from you.Be blessed . From Dominic Omwando I just want to to partner with you so that I can learn the truth about Jesus’s second coming from you.Be blessed .
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]]> By: My Prediction: The Coming Evangelical Collapse (1-3)Internet Monk « Tents of Issachar http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/my-prediction-the-coming-evangelical-collapse-1/comment-page-5#comment-488505 My Prediction: The Coming Evangelical Collapse (1-3)Internet Monk « Tents of Issachar Thu, 25 Jun 2009 04:44:28 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=2764#comment-488505 [...] http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/my-prediction-the-coming-evangelical-collapse-1 [...] [...] http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/my-prediction-the-coming-evangelical-collapse-1 [...]

]]> By: Richard http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/my-prediction-the-coming-evangelical-collapse-1/comment-page-5#comment-487585 Richard Tue, 23 Jun 2009 03:08:48 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=2764#comment-487585 You are right in a lot of what you say. So-called christians will walk away from the church, the sad fact is the majority of people in the pews are more than likely not believers. They are there for reasons besides, a desire wrought in their heart by having a new nature, these reasons could be social status, business, something to do, and what I personally believe the worst thing, to have their temporal needs met. I say that not because we should not be helping, others, when we are able. But as you state most of those who profess Christ, do not know the Gospel,and could not articulate it. We have forgotten the part of scripture that, along with telling us to love God with all our heart and, strength, we are also to love God with all our mind. Sadly church(a first day of the week gathering, of believers to praise, and glorify God, and here His Word taught) has become, going to the church building(a once a week thing that must be endured, so business can coninue, friendsips can be kept up, and somewhere at the last of it all, maybe a tip of the hat to the, uhhhhh! to the, uhhhh! to the, oh yeah the man upstairs, yeah that guy we sang a emotional song about, that guy who got me that Cadillac, I had been wanting, that guy who I promised I would do better if the cancer test came back negative). All the while not one of these professors, could spell, doctrine, much less expound on it. And heaven forbid the pastor's sermon be longer than 25-30 minutes. Becuase the people are in a hurry. That is why the so-called evangelical church will collapse, and I believe we will enter a dark, yet glorious period of the church age. Don't believe me, my sunday school classmates pickup their books only on Sundays. Doctrine, isn't that the new wonderdrug for people suffering from restless hair syndrome or something. Yes truly the so-called believers are truly a mile wide and an inch deep. But change is coming, so get on board, and hide an extra bible, you are going to need it. Even so come Lord Jesus. Just my thoughts on it all. You are right in a lot of what you say. So-called christians will walk away from the church, the sad fact is the majority of people in the pews are more than likely not believers. They are there for reasons besides, a desire wrought in their heart by having a new nature, these reasons could be social status, business, something to do, and what I personally believe the worst thing, to have their temporal needs met. I say that not because we should not be helping, others, when we are able. But as you state most of those who profess Christ, do not know the Gospel,and could not articulate it. We have forgotten the part of scripture that, along with telling us to love God with all our heart and, strength, we are also to love God with all our mind. Sadly church(a first day of the week gathering, of believers to praise, and glorify God, and here His Word taught) has become, going to the church building(a once a week thing that must be endured, so business can coninue, friendsips can be kept up, and somewhere at the last of it all, maybe a tip of the hat to the, uhhhhh! to the, uhhhh! to the, oh yeah the man upstairs, yeah that guy we sang a emotional song about, that guy who got me that Cadillac, I had been wanting, that guy who I promised I would do better if the cancer test came back negative). All the while not one of these professors, could spell, doctrine, much less expound on it. And heaven forbid the pastor’s sermon be longer than 25-30 minutes. Becuase the people are in a hurry. That is why the so-called evangelical church will collapse, and I believe we will enter a dark, yet glorious period of the church age. Don’t believe me, my sunday school classmates pickup their books only on Sundays. Doctrine, isn’t that the new wonderdrug for people suffering from restless hair syndrome or something. Yes truly the so-called believers are truly a mile wide and an inch deep. But change is coming, so get on board, and hide an extra bible, you are going to need it. Even so come Lord Jesus.

Just my thoughts on it all.

]]> By: Jennifer http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/my-prediction-the-coming-evangelical-collapse-1/comment-page-5#comment-486406 Jennifer Sun, 21 Jun 2009 05:59:49 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=2764#comment-486406 I agree with your post. It seems churches are dying because they focus to much on quantity rather than quality. They water down the gospel out of fear of "offending" their flock thus suffering their loss. My husband and I both feel that the church no longer is true to the Lord where it counts. I understand the need for missions and the like, but if their on congregation is suffering through lack of faith or lukewarmness, how are they to shine enough to go out and do any evangelical work for the Lord? I agree with your post. It seems churches are dying because they focus to much on quantity rather than quality. They water down the gospel out of fear of “offending” their flock thus suffering their loss. My husband and I both feel that the church no longer is true to the Lord where it counts. I understand the need for missions and the like, but if their on congregation is suffering through lack of faith or lukewarmness, how are they to shine enough to go out and do any evangelical work for the Lord?

]]> By: Bruce Considine http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/my-prediction-the-coming-evangelical-collapse-1/comment-page-5#comment-479620 Bruce Considine Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:41:32 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=2764#comment-479620 "The difference will be that millions of evangelicals will quit: quit their churches, quit their adherence to evangelical distinctives and quit resisting the rising tide of the culture." Most of these churches were burdened by hauling around a building on their backs. The real estate based church is not the New Testament church model, the house church network is. The real estate based church disobeyed scriptural commands to spend on the unscriptural demands of worldly assets. God's values were distorted by money pressures, false doctrine (tithe) is preached to support the asset that must be served. Unscriptural pressure bought to bear on the poor to comply with the false doctrine. "Evangelicals" were undermined coming out of the gate. Their unscriptural four year seminaries were prone to false doctrine and supported sabotaged texts over the Lord Jesus Christ's preserved text, the Textus Receptus. (Read "The Revision Revised") Seminaries are money intensive and present unscriptural hurdles for someone desiring to be a Christian leader. What does this do to the types of candidates who gain entry and the leaders they produce? "Evangelicals" have had to deal with the Satan's constant sniping against God's word from the margins or footnotes of their sabotaged scriptures with the complicity of the "church." This has lead to strange unscriptural understandings of the purity of God's preserved scripture. "Evangelicals" are polluted with pagan political doctrine and sometimes seem more conversant in it than scripture that teaches differently on the same issues. Preaching is watered down with the burden on one preacher (unscriptural) instead of the orderly tag team commanded by scripture. Bible studies are a cacophony of translations. It does seem like a collapse is coming, but has been coming for a long, long time, for reasons that are exposed by scripture. Maybe Christians will now, finally, use New Testament, house church network model from scripture. “The difference will be that millions of evangelicals will quit: quit their churches, quit their adherence to evangelical distinctives and quit resisting the rising tide of the culture.”

Most of these churches were burdened by hauling around a building on their backs. The real estate based church is not the New Testament church model, the house church network is. The real estate based church disobeyed scriptural commands to spend on the unscriptural demands of worldly assets. God’s values were distorted by money pressures, false doctrine (tithe) is preached to support the asset that must be served. Unscriptural pressure bought to bear on the poor to comply with the false doctrine.

“Evangelicals” were undermined coming out of the gate. Their unscriptural four year seminaries were prone to false doctrine and supported sabotaged texts over the Lord Jesus Christ’s preserved text, the Textus Receptus. (Read “The Revision Revised”) Seminaries are money intensive and present unscriptural hurdles for someone desiring to be a Christian leader. What does this do to the types of candidates who gain entry and the leaders they produce?

“Evangelicals” have had to deal with the Satan’s constant sniping against God’s word from the margins or footnotes of their sabotaged scriptures with the complicity of the “church.” This has lead to strange unscriptural understandings of the purity of God’s preserved scripture.

“Evangelicals” are polluted with pagan political doctrine and sometimes seem more conversant in it than scripture that teaches differently on the same issues. Preaching is watered down with the burden on one preacher (unscriptural) instead of the orderly tag team commanded by scripture. Bible studies are a cacophony of translations.

It does seem like a collapse is coming, but has been coming for a long, long time, for reasons that are exposed by scripture.

Maybe Christians will now, finally, use New Testament, house church network model from scripture.

]]> By: df http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/my-prediction-the-coming-evangelical-collapse-1/comment-page-5#comment-470908 df Sun, 31 May 2009 17:19:30 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=2764#comment-470908 This post has many inteligent seekers of God and truth discussing if the evangelical church is failing,falling. I have much to write about this but will wait to see if my response can go through. I've often read articles,blogs and such but never felt to participate until now..here goes.... This post has many inteligent seekers of God and truth discussing if the evangelical church is failing,falling. I have much to write about this but will wait to see if my response can go through. I’ve often read articles,blogs and such but never felt to participate until now..here goes….

]]> By: Evangelical Collapse? « Tempora Christiana http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/my-prediction-the-coming-evangelical-collapse-1/comment-page-5#comment-465733 Evangelical Collapse? « Tempora Christiana Wed, 27 May 2009 13:52:15 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=2764#comment-465733 [...] assessment of the current state of evangelicalism, check out the Internet Monk’s posts: reasons for the collapse, what will remain, and the effects.  Here are his first two reasons for the collapse: 1) [...] [...] assessment of the current state of evangelicalism, check out the Internet Monk’s posts: reasons for the collapse, what will remain, and the effects.  Here are his first two reasons for the collapse: 1) [...]

]]> By: Kcphila http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/my-prediction-the-coming-evangelical-collapse-1/comment-page-5#comment-433033 Kcphila Sat, 18 Apr 2009 05:06:55 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=2764#comment-433033 I have to point out that it seems to me that as Evangelicalism has tied itself so greatly to the United States that it has primarily become a nationalistic endeavor, with only nominal religious foundations. I think the post addresses this somewhat but I think conflates Republican with American. It's true that Evangelicalism is the core of much of the Republican political structure, but it's also tied into many fundamental national structures. Evangelicalism is faith practiced through the sort of industrial marketing practices that has typified American free enterprise and American style capitalism since its inception. Evangelicalism is religion given modern business practices. Crudely: It's Jesus Wal-Mart. It's religion on a huge (some say grotesque) scale done with all the apparatus of a modern branding venture: focus groups, coordinated media, etc. As this "American way" falls prey to resource depletion and failure abroad so will this form of Evangelicalism. I have to point out that it seems to me that as Evangelicalism has tied itself so greatly to the United States that it has primarily become a nationalistic endeavor, with only nominal religious foundations. I think the post addresses this somewhat but I think conflates Republican with American.

It’s true that Evangelicalism is the core of much of the Republican political structure, but it’s also tied into many fundamental national structures.

Evangelicalism is faith practiced through the sort of industrial marketing practices that has typified American free enterprise and American style capitalism since its inception.

Evangelicalism is religion given modern business practices. Crudely: It’s Jesus Wal-Mart.

It’s religion on a huge (some say grotesque) scale done with all the apparatus of a modern branding venture: focus groups, coordinated media, etc.

As this “American way” falls prey to resource depletion and failure abroad so will this form of Evangelicalism.

]]> By: unknown http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/my-prediction-the-coming-evangelical-collapse-1/comment-page-5#comment-430198 unknown Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:45:21 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=2764#comment-430198 wow you guys are really immature . yeahh this class is boring but really ? wow you guys are really immature . yeahh this class is boring but really ?

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