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	<title>Comments on: Michael Bell: What Is An &#8220;Average Church?&#8221;</title>
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	<description>...dispatches from the post-evangelical wilderness</description>
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		<title>By: Intersected &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Stats on the American Church</title>
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		<dc:creator>Intersected &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Stats on the American Church</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Michael Bell posting at iMonk  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: &#8211;Links of the Week&#8211; &#171; Straight Up</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8211;Links of the Week&#8211; &#171; Straight Up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] really interesting stats and thoughts on the size of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: stevehartland.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Church Size in USA</title>
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		<dc:creator>stevehartland.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Church Size in USA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Here&#8217;s a fascinating article on church size in the US.  According to the stats given, Trinity is larger than 90% of all churches in America, but over half of the church-goers in the nation attend churches larger than Trinity.  This is because most churches are small, but most attenders go to large churches.   [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Here&#8217;s a fascinating article on church size in the US.  According to the stats given, Trinity is larger than 90% of all churches in America, but over half of the church-goers in the nation attend churches larger than Trinity.  This is because most churches are small, but most attenders go to large churches.   [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Eclectic Christian - Michael Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eclectic Christian - Michael Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave R.

I have nothing against small churches in general.  In fact, most of my past 10 years have been spent in small churches.  I think that one question that needs to be asked of any church, is are your fulfilling Jesus&#039; command to &quot;make disciples?&quot;  I do realize that making disciples may for a season show itself qualitatively rather than quantitatively, but at some point you have to be able to say, &quot;here is how God is working in the lives of the people in this church.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave R.</p>
<p>I have nothing against small churches in general.  In fact, most of my past 10 years have been spent in small churches.  I think that one question that needs to be asked of any church, is are your fulfilling Jesus&#8217; command to &#8220;make disciples?&#8221;  I do realize that making disciples may for a season show itself qualitatively rather than quantitatively, but at some point you have to be able to say, &#8220;here is how God is working in the lives of the people in this church.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Understanding Church Statistics &#171; Gairney Bridge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Understanding Church Statistics &#171; Gairney Bridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 15, 2009 by gairneybridge    Here is a very good post that helps make sense of things like average church size in the U.S. Did you know that half of the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dave R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve noticed a couple of comments suggesting it may be &#039;better&#039; planting a church than trying to change and/or revitalize an existing one.  One of my personal heroes is Eugene Peterson.  It appears from comments in his books on his own ministry that he spent years in a small church, and the changes were slow.  He talked somewhere of trying &#039;shortcuts&#039; and how they didn&#039;t work.  Michael, I believe you wrote recently about the death spiral (my words)of many small churches.  Being from a very small church myself this mix of ideas raises some questions:

- In general, are small churches &#039;bad&#039;?
- Are &#039;good&#039; ones plants that will grow and split again?
- Are &#039;good&#039; churches only ones that are actively seeking to grow?  What about ones that want to grow without selling out to church growth thinking?  And maybe aren&#039;t making any headway?
- We hear of missionaries faithfully working for decades in countries where converts are measured in twos and threes.  Is there a place for that kind of work in &#039;dead&#039; churches in this country?

I wonder if the &#039;success in numbers&#039; mentality has such a grip on American christians that those of us who deplore the concept are still driven by it in many ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve noticed a couple of comments suggesting it may be &#8216;better&#8217; planting a church than trying to change and/or revitalize an existing one.  One of my personal heroes is Eugene Peterson.  It appears from comments in his books on his own ministry that he spent years in a small church, and the changes were slow.  He talked somewhere of trying &#8217;shortcuts&#8217; and how they didn&#8217;t work.  Michael, I believe you wrote recently about the death spiral (my words)of many small churches.  Being from a very small church myself this mix of ideas raises some questions:</p>
<p>- In general, are small churches &#8216;bad&#8217;?<br />
- Are &#8216;good&#8217; ones plants that will grow and split again?<br />
- Are &#8216;good&#8217; churches only ones that are actively seeking to grow?  What about ones that want to grow without selling out to church growth thinking?  And maybe aren&#8217;t making any headway?<br />
- We hear of missionaries faithfully working for decades in countries where converts are measured in twos and threes.  Is there a place for that kind of work in &#8216;dead&#8217; churches in this country?</p>
<p>I wonder if the &#8217;success in numbers&#8217; mentality has such a grip on American christians that those of us who deplore the concept are still driven by it in many ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Sensus Divinitatis News</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Michael Bell: What Is An Average Church?...&lt;/strong&gt;

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		<title>By: WHAT IS AN AVERAGE CHURCH? &#171; Fr. Orthohippo</title>
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		<dc:creator>WHAT IS AN AVERAGE CHURCH? &#171; Fr. Orthohippo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] via Michael Bell: What Is An “Average Church?” &#124; internetmonk.com. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 05:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have often thought that Evangelicals had way too many Chiefs and not enough Indians, but I wonder...

Does this mean in order to better organize the Evangelical Church we would have to eliminate 80% of the Pastors?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have often thought that Evangelicals had way too many Chiefs and not enough Indians, but I wonder&#8230;</p>
<p>Does this mean in order to better organize the Evangelical Church we would have to eliminate 80% of the Pastors?</p>
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		<title>By: Eclectic Christian - Michael Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eclectic Christian - Michael Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 04:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some eclectic responses:

Werther, the numbers are about average attendance not membership.

Steve Scott, the standard deviation for my sample graph is 431.45.  :)  Not that standard deviations are that useful with this sort of data.

Fr. Orthohippo, I have no idea what the modal size would be, but seeing as 50% of churches have less than 75 people, I think it would be safe to assume that it is less than 75.

Willoh, up in Canada, often two smaller churches will share a Pastor.

To all discussing finances, I have found that as church of 80 can generally support a full time Pastor.

Mike Bell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some eclectic responses:</p>
<p>Werther, the numbers are about average attendance not membership.</p>
<p>Steve Scott, the standard deviation for my sample graph is 431.45.  <img src='http://www.internetmonk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Not that standard deviations are that useful with this sort of data.</p>
<p>Fr. Orthohippo, I have no idea what the modal size would be, but seeing as 50% of churches have less than 75 people, I think it would be safe to assume that it is less than 75.</p>
<p>Willoh, up in Canada, often two smaller churches will share a Pastor.</p>
<p>To all discussing finances, I have found that as church of 80 can generally support a full time Pastor.</p>
<p>Mike Bell</p>
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