Comments on: Liturgical Gangstas 14: The Hymnal http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/liturgical-gangstas-14-the-hymnal ...dispatches from the post-evangelical wilderness Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:16:01 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Sensus Divinitatis News http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/liturgical-gangstas-14-the-hymnal/comment-page-1#comment-508351 Sensus Divinitatis News Wed, 26 Aug 2009 19:45:07 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=4177#comment-508351 <strong>Liturgical Gangstas 14: The Hymnal...</strong> This post was chosen as newsworthy at Sensus Divinitatis News.... Liturgical Gangstas 14: The Hymnal…

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]]> By: CNI http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/liturgical-gangstas-14-the-hymnal/comment-page-1#comment-507947 CNI Sat, 22 Aug 2009 16:14:16 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=4177#comment-507947 There is no "hymnal" as such within the Orthodox liturgical tradition. Instead, there are a few books that contain all the hymns to be chanted throughout the liturgical year: I. The temporal cycle hymn-books: 1. The Pentecostarion comprising the order of services from Easter night until the All Saints Sunday, that is the first Sunday after Pentecost. 2. The Triodion, comprising the hymns chanted from the Sunday of the Publican and the Pharisee (three weeks before the start of Lent) all throughout Lent, the Great Week, until the Vesperal Liturgy of the Great Saturday. 3. The Octoechos (the "Book of the eight Tones/Modes") filling the time not covered by the previous two. Here the daily hymns change their theme according to the day of the week: On Sundays they commemorate the Resurrection, on Monday the Angels, on Tuesday St. John the Baptist , the Hierarchs etc, on Wednesdays and Fridays the Cross, the Saturdays the dead. II. The Sanctoral cycle. The twelve "books of months" (Menaia), covering the daily commemoration of the Saints and of the Royal feasts not part of the Paschal cycle (Christmas, Theophany, Transfiguration, Dormition etc). III. The occasional services with their chants: The Euchologion and variations of this book comprising the order of the Sacraments and Sacramentals other than the Eucharist, such as Baptism, Chrismation, Burial, Consecration of the Church etc. IV. The Liturgikon comprising the order of the Three Eucharistic Liturgies with their common and proper parts. V. Various devotional books of Akathists , Canons, songs with a less liturgical character . The most famous hymn-writers of the Orthodox Church are:Roman the Melodist , John of Damascus, Cosmas of Maiuma, Joseph the Hymnogrpher of Sicily, Germanus of Constantinople, the nun Kassiani of Constantinople, Theophanes the Hymnographer, bishop of Nicaea, Andrew of Crete, John Scholastcus, Theodore of Studion, Matthew Vlastares, Ephrem the Syrian etc. There is no “hymnal” as such within the Orthodox liturgical tradition. Instead, there are a few books that contain all the hymns to be chanted throughout the liturgical year:
I. The temporal cycle hymn-books:
1. The Pentecostarion comprising the order of services from Easter night until the All Saints Sunday, that is the first Sunday after Pentecost.
2. The Triodion, comprising the hymns chanted from the Sunday of the Publican and the Pharisee (three weeks before the start of Lent) all throughout Lent, the Great Week, until the Vesperal Liturgy of the Great Saturday.
3. The Octoechos (the “Book of the eight Tones/Modes”) filling the time not covered by the previous two. Here the daily hymns change their theme according to the day of the week: On Sundays they commemorate the Resurrection, on Monday the Angels, on Tuesday St. John the Baptist , the Hierarchs etc, on Wednesdays and Fridays the Cross, the Saturdays the dead.
II. The Sanctoral cycle.
The twelve “books of months” (Menaia), covering the daily commemoration of the Saints and of the Royal feasts not part of the Paschal cycle (Christmas, Theophany, Transfiguration, Dormition etc).
III. The occasional services with their chants:
The Euchologion and variations of this book comprising the order of the Sacraments and Sacramentals other than the Eucharist, such as Baptism, Chrismation, Burial, Consecration of the Church etc.
IV. The Liturgikon comprising the order of the Three Eucharistic Liturgies with their common and proper parts.
V. Various devotional books of Akathists , Canons, songs with a less liturgical character .
The most famous hymn-writers of the Orthodox Church are:Roman the Melodist , John of Damascus, Cosmas of Maiuma, Joseph the Hymnogrpher of Sicily, Germanus of Constantinople, the nun Kassiani of Constantinople, Theophanes the Hymnographer, bishop of Nicaea, Andrew of Crete, John Scholastcus, Theodore of Studion, Matthew Vlastares, Ephrem the Syrian etc.

]]> By: In Defense of the Forgotten Hymnal « Creative Theology http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/liturgical-gangstas-14-the-hymnal/comment-page-1#comment-507922 In Defense of the Forgotten Hymnal « Creative Theology Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:12:10 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=4177#comment-507922 [...] (8/22/09): If you want to read more about the hymnal at iMonk, read his newer post “The Hymnal,” in which he calls upon a panel of experts from varying religious traditions to unpack the [...] [...] (8/22/09): If you want to read more about the hymnal at iMonk, read his newer post “The Hymnal,” in which he calls upon a panel of experts from varying religious traditions to unpack the [...]

]]> By: Boethius http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/liturgical-gangstas-14-the-hymnal/comment-page-1#comment-507632 Boethius Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:32:04 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=4177#comment-507632 "Sing a new song unto the Lord." The old songs are good but each generation should express their love for God from their own heart. As a former Folk Group Leader in the RC tradition and a former Worship Leader in the Non-Denom tradition, I can easily become bored with songs. I think the Scriptures encourage us to sing a new song because God is eternal and He wants to hear something new from each generation. After all, He is the One who made us creative. “Sing a new song unto the Lord.” The old songs are good but each generation should express their love for God from their own heart. As a former Folk Group Leader in the RC tradition and a former Worship Leader in the Non-Denom tradition, I can easily become bored with songs. I think the Scriptures encourage us to sing a new song because God is eternal and He wants to hear something new from each generation. After all, He is the One who made us creative.

]]> By: Miguel http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/liturgical-gangstas-14-the-hymnal/comment-page-1#comment-507587 Miguel Thu, 20 Aug 2009 05:21:57 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=4177#comment-507587 Wow thanks for that link. Those recordings are simply inspiring. Heard you mention them on your podcast but didn't know the audio was up. To bad the didn't post the Te Deum, huh? I'm in a SBC church but that recording of "I Bind Unto Myself" sounds workable even in my modern scenario. Wow thanks for that link. Those recordings are simply inspiring. Heard you mention them on your podcast but didn’t know the audio was up. To bad the didn’t post the Te Deum, huh? I’m in a SBC church but that recording of “I Bind Unto Myself” sounds workable even in my modern scenario.

]]> By: Miguel http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/liturgical-gangstas-14-the-hymnal/comment-page-1#comment-507586 Miguel Thu, 20 Aug 2009 05:00:23 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=4177#comment-507586 Well I'll be darned. I guess that makes three of us 25 year old hymn loving worship leaders. It irks me to no end to get the attitude from my church as if praise choruses were the future of the faith. We are also about at 50/50, but I feel pressure to go more modern. All the songs that I think would make the most appropriate and edifiying additions to our congregational repertoire, however, are hymns. I'm all for staying current, but do we have to stay as current as everyone else? Can we let the lattest hottest worship hit vet for 10 years or so before we decide if it's best for our congregation? Ok, 3 years maybe? If it grows too old by then, was it really worth singing anyways? I just hate being driven by trends at the expense of content. I am not even sufficiently brave to simply suggest that we occasionally sing out of the book instead of the screen. Well I’ll be darned. I guess that makes three of us 25 year old hymn loving worship leaders.
It irks me to no end to get the attitude from my church as if praise choruses were the future of the faith. We are also about at 50/50, but I feel pressure to go more modern. All the songs that I think would make the most appropriate and edifiying additions to our congregational repertoire, however, are hymns. I’m all for staying current, but do we have to stay as current as everyone else? Can we let the lattest hottest worship hit vet for 10 years or so before we decide if it’s best for our congregation? Ok, 3 years maybe? If it grows too old by then, was it really worth singing anyways? I just hate being driven by trends at the expense of content. I am not even sufficiently brave to simply suggest that we occasionally sing out of the book instead of the screen.

]]> By: Mike S http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/liturgical-gangstas-14-the-hymnal/comment-page-1#comment-507582 Mike S Thu, 20 Aug 2009 03:39:15 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=4177#comment-507582 Sigh. We still have the 1975 edition, and the treasurer expects the rapture before the arrival of enough dinero in the ol' bank account to upgrade the hymnals. Sigh. We still have the 1975 edition, and the treasurer expects the rapture before the arrival of enough dinero in the ol’ bank account to upgrade the hymnals.

]]> By: Lauren http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/liturgical-gangstas-14-the-hymnal/comment-page-1#comment-507578 Lauren Thu, 20 Aug 2009 01:43:05 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=4177#comment-507578 Well, Charles Wesley was a lifelong Anglican, after all. It makes sense that you should sing them. As for the Methodists, we're having enough trouble keeping up with John these days, let alone his brother Charles. ;) Well, Charles Wesley was a lifelong Anglican, after all. It makes sense that you should sing them. As for the Methodists, we’re having enough trouble keeping up with John these days, let alone his brother Charles. ;)

]]> By: Stefan http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/liturgical-gangstas-14-the-hymnal/comment-page-1#comment-507572 Stefan Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:00:21 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=4177#comment-507572 This is absolutely uncanny, but at my Evangelical, Calvinistic, Mennonite (= Anabaptist) church, we do the <i>exact</i> same thing--skip the third verse out of four in hymns! What on earth is up with that? This is absolutely uncanny, but at my Evangelical, Calvinistic, Mennonite (= Anabaptist) church, we do the exact same thing–skip the third verse out of four in hymns! What on earth is up with that?

]]> By: Wyman Richardson http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/liturgical-gangstas-14-the-hymnal/comment-page-1#comment-507567 Wyman Richardson Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:49:58 +0000 http://www.internetmonk.com/?p=4177#comment-507567 I've thumbed through it and think it looks good! Unfortunately, our church remodeled our sanctuary and purchased all new copies of the earlier version just before the 2008s came out. If you know anything about Baptist churches, you know that means that if we get the 2008s it will be in 2035. :-) I’ve thumbed through it and think it looks good! Unfortunately, our church remodeled our sanctuary and purchased all new copies of the earlier version just before the 2008s came out. If you know anything about Baptist churches, you know that means that if we get the 2008s it will be in 2035. :-)

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